Gladiator

Sequestering Carbon is the answer to the part of Global Warming caused by increased CO2 Gases in the Atmosphere and Ocean systems.

Sequestering Carbon in the form of Logs, Wood, or Paper.

Sequestering Carbon in the form of OIl Products means plastics and heavy oils and greases.

Incinerators vaporize carbon containing products and produce CO2.

Incinerators help reduce the need for landfills.

Incinerators cause reverse sequestering.

Carbon has been sequestered by trees into coal, fish into oil; and plants and animals into fertilizer and top soil.

The Ecology of Carbon means avoiding unnecessary burning of any sequestered Carbon.

Carbon comes from Volcanos, which expose Graphite and diamonds to oxygen, and form CO2. The fish, trees, animals and plants have been sequestering Carbon, by eating plants which make leaved from CO2, and thereby reducing Atmospheric CO2, throught the ages.

Man should stop reverse sequestering by Incinerators, and stop making more CO2, just to save some landfill space. Landfills should be upgraded to bertter store Carbon.

Incinerators did not show up in my search of Environment and Climate Issues.


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How did Our Oil get under Their Sand?

Lachean

Alot of claims but no sources... since when is there even a landfill problem that we need incinerators to "reduce the need for landfills"? Better store carbon by what standard?

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"Truth, in the matters of religion, is simply the opinion that has survived." - Oscar Wilde

Gladiator

Even Incinerators that produce electricity are inefficient.

Green Incineration Claims Misleading

"Referring to the situation in Europe, waste incineration is one of the major sources of CO2 in the waste management sector."

Hazardous waste incineration in context with carbo...[Waste Manag Res. 2008] - PubMed Result

"AFTER INCINERATION, WASTES ARE CONVERTED TO:
CO
CO2
WATER
ASH"

INCINERATION TUTORIAL



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Lachean

I know that they're inefficient and produce carbon, my questions were regarding the alleged alleviation of landfills, or that landfills must "better store carbon."

Gladiator

Incinerators produce CO2. Incinerators burn wood, paper and plastic, which were previously fossil fuels. The fossil Fuels came from plants, fish and animals, on Earth, many years ago. The fish, animals and plants grew from converting CO2 from the volcanos, into leaves, branches, trunks and bones.


In the 50's Incinerators were seen as an answer to ever increasing costs of dumping a trash truck. Trash Burning incinerators were built to save money, by making more trash fit into one truck. Trash compactors became popular. Landfills charged, and still essentially charge, by the truckload.

After incineration, 10 or 15 trash trucks worth of ordinary trash can, after being incinerated, fit into one truck.

Much of the reason for building Trash incinerators were based on faulty projections, becuase landfill prices have not increased as much as projected in the 50's, so the investments in incinerators, and the costs of operating the incinerators, have not really paid off.

Search Money, Incinerators, Trash, CO2.

Recycling has become more effective and less expensive. Better efforts can be made for recycling.

Landfills are better than incinerators, because the Carbon in the Paper, Wood and plastic trash, is not converted back into CO2, which may contribute to part of Global Warming, and Greenhouse Gasses. In Landills, the Carbon in the Trash stays carbon, at least until another Volcano erupts nearby.

Fish Carcasses lie on the bottom of the oceans, and build up, piling high over the years. Then there is a collission between plates of earth crust, and one plate is pushed over the top of another plate. Then a layer of fish carcasses is covered with a plate of rocks. The pressure of the rocks on the carcasses eventually makes oil. The pocket of oil is now burried under the plate that rode over the top of the fish carcasses.

Then man can drill into the pocket under the crust of the Earth, and get oil, that came from the CO2, that was made by the Volcanos.



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Lachean

Are you just saying whatever you want to say regardless of what I ask you?

Gladiator

Perhaps I don't understand your question. I tried to respond to your question. Please use more words, or examples, to describe the question you are asking.

Lachean

Alright, my position is that incinerators are unnecessary, let alone unnecessary for the alleviation of landfilling. I regard landfilling as more efficient and environmentally sound than incineration, and have no reason to believe that there is a landfill problem that we should need incinerators.

Also I wanted to know what you meant in the OP when you suggested that "Landfills should be upgraded to bertter store Carbon."

Gladiator

I had several issues in mind for "Landfill should be upgraded to better store Carbon."

One was groundwater contamination potentials. Landfills for trash and Carbon sequestering maintaining, should be designed, built and maintained to prevent contamination of groundwater. There have been instances where the chemicals in trash that are ordinarily mixed with Carbon sequestered trash, have contaminated groundwater.

Landfills and Groundwater Quality Protection

It is probably not practical to separate Carbon containing trash from trash with chemical residues. Therefore, Landfills for maintaining Carbon sequestering also need to be designed and maintained to responsibly maintain chemical waste, in additon to purely Carbon Waste.

There are occasional fires at landfills. Sometimes, these fires are allowed to burn, to reduce trash size. So desiging, building and maintaining landfills to be able to prevent and fight fires is another issue for maintianing Carbon sequestering.

http://www.kdheks.gov/waste/guidance/sw05-04.pdf

EPA To Fight Fires And Test Air Quality At Landfills in Johnston, R.I. | Newsroom | US EPA


Junk automobile and truck Tires in landfills have caught fire. So landfils with tires need to be designed to prevent, and effectively fight fires.

Stubborn Fire Of Junk Tires Under Control - New York Times



Earthquake damage potential is another factor. Some areas of the US and Canada are less likely to have earthquakes


There may be other issues affecting the sequestering of Carbon in landfills, that may be important. Fire prevention and extinguishing in landfills probably has not been given a high priority in Global Warming issues, as designers could plan for.

My statement of better design was based on my vague memories of groundwater pollution and fires, but there may be other factors important to consider. Maybe as recycycling advances, the landfills should be designed for re-sorting out the trash, to remove future recyclables from the landfill, with special machinery for resorting the trash.

This answer is still not real specific, but may be closer to your actual question.

Maybe fire suppression would mean having roadway dikes closer together with less expansive acres and acres of continuous landfill. This would mean less area for landfill, but better access for fire fighting equipment, should a fire start. Maybe a requirement for a water storage tank if a landfill is over a certain size, or so many gallons per acre of 50 feet deep landfill, so water is readily available for fighting a fire.


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Gladiator

Another concept that has been lurking in my memory, is from some years, in the 1960's, I spent drinking it blue collar, fist-fighting bars. Some bulldozer operators told stories of working at landfills, and making piles of combusible, carbon materials. Boards, Furniture, Plastic products. The owners of the landfills felt they could make better use, and more profit, if they stored ashes, instead of boards. So at night, they would light off the pile of burnable items, and reverse the carbon sequestered materials back into CO2, as the combustibles burned at the Landfill.

So education is another upgrade for landfill operators, to recognize that burning wood, plastic and furniture at the landfill, defeats and important purpose of the landfill, to preserve the sequestered Carbon, and prevent the Carbon from going back to CO2.


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