gunner

From what I've tasted organically speaking poultry/eggs/meats are far tastier than mass produced equivalents....but you will never persuade me organic lettuce leaves are any different than "lettuce leaves"
The biggest factor for me is price so going all out "organic" I,m sorry to say is deemed a luxury...and i,m by no means on the breadline.

paul.

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Lachean

That is absurd, not only do I buy less meat then the average consumer, but I chose poultry over red meat which requires far less feed, and energy consumption than cows do.

If anything, you should be arguing that each kind of meat should be taxed based on its carbon costs, which would influence more people to consume poultry over red meat, since it has fewer carbon costs.

How is the methane gas produced by the cows that does into the majority if US beef consumption not a "social cost" warranting taxation by your standards? They are by far the largest polluters.

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Kelzie

Ah I see. The OP. Yeah, I'm more than a little dubious on the study without seeing the methodology. This quote kinda sums up why:

His theory being that it takes more feed, hence contributes to global warming if a chicken has to expend its own calories for temperature regulation. Yeah it sure is a good thing that AC and heating units in factory famrs have no impact on global warming whatsoever. Oh wait...

So as you've posted the article, kindly post the study so that we may ensure this gentleman used all the relevant data.

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gunner

I buy goods from my local farm shop, which is two mile away. They are grown, reared on the adjoining land. i travel 2 mile to buy them.

please explain how this has a Global impact?

paul.

Scucca

For a nice summary of the poultry evidence try here. You can acquire the evidence directly from DEFRA

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Kelzie

Doesn't seem that bad to me:

In other words, all cost is transmitted to the end purchaser. The feed takes less energy, but the bird takes longer to grow, resulting in lower yields and higher prices.

However, the paper does make an excellent case for the taxation of beef, pork and lamb produced by factory-farming methods, based off of your logic. Prepared to shell it out?

Scucca

You've got evidence to show organic poultry is a bigger problem for global warming. I'm glad that any potential disutility from your uncertainty has now been eliminated

Surely all that land should be used for forest re-planting?

I keep away from red meat, I wouldn't want to upset folk through the health negative externalities

Kelzie

Yes well. I'm glad that you're glad that any potential disutility from my uncertainity has been eliminated.

Given the increased use of pesticides, antibiotics, and god knows what else in factory-produced poultry, I am not unduly considered with the fact that organic chickens take longer to grow. Like chickens are meant to.

All what land?

I certainly don't care what you eat.

Scucca

As long as you pay the extra tax, everybody's happy! I just hope you don't want everyone else to pay for your preferences. I don't know if Holland can take the sea level rise.

There's an opportunity cost for land taken up by environmentalist friendly cattle n pigs. That is land that could have been used to help fight the good fight.

That'll be rational. I try to minimise my damage via negative externalities so you can quite rightly leave my dinner plate alone

Kelzie

Yes. Well, as soon as there's a tax on non-organic beef, pork and lamb to make up for their higher impact to global warming, we can talk. Better yet, why don't you just figure out the increased impact on global warming from organic chickens, convert it to dollar amount, and I'll mail it to some global warming activist group. I imagine it might be somewhere around $.00001 a bird.

Land use is already passed on to the end purchaser. What other cost does there need to be?

Again. I don't care what you eat.