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please list what additional gun laws you would like.

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This is a carry over from another thread.

There are thousands of gun laws already on the books. That being said:



Tell me what additional law would you like. And how will it reduce gun crime.
 
Please be sure to show how those new gun laws would not violate the 2nd amendment.
 
Well, I'd like a law that mandates the use of the Eddie Eagle course in Kindergarten. Wouldn't mind having a mandatory semester of marksmanship and maintenance in high school, either.

Can't say that either measure would reduce gun crime, but they'd certainly reduce gun accidents, including the deaths of innocent bystanders.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Well, I'd like a law that mandates the use of the Eddie Eagle course in Kindergarten. Wouldn't mind having a mandatory semester of marksmanship and maintenance in high school, either.

Can't say that either measure would reduce gun crime, but they'd certainly reduce gun accidents, including the deaths of innocent bystanders.
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Not surprisingly, I agree with this.

I would have a federal law that requires reciprocity between all states that issue CCW permits.

And, there are numerous laws that I would repeal (which would require a law to do).
 
My gun law is simple.

No citizen will bitch about how many or what kind of guns I have, including but not limited to fully automatic weapons, assault rifles, things I happen to see that day that I think are cool, hand guns, explosives, and everything else I didn't mention here. Nor can they take them away from me or anyone else.
 
Must be a high school graduate, or at least pass the GED. We already have too many mouth breathing white supremist wannabes spending their days stroking their junk over guns...
 
UtahBill said:
Must be a high school graduate, or at least pass the GED. We already have too many mouth breathing white supremist wannabes spending their days stroking their junk over guns...
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Interesting. Can you show me where minors are permitted to purchase a firearm currently?


So you want an education requirement. Well thats a new one. :lol:


The rest of your nonsense, I will ignore as it has nothing to do with reality.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Tell me what additional law would you like. And how will it reduce gun crime.
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An open carry law. Citizens should be allowed to carry firearms openly (with obvious exceptions for places such as schools and the courthouse, and anywhere a member of Congress is giving a speech).

As for how this will reduce gun crime, it will do so by letting every violent person out there know that any burst of stupidity will be met with armed response from all directions, a la Northfield, Minnesota.

Sam Colt's masterpiece was called "peacemaker" for a reason.;)
 
UtahBill said:
Must be a high school graduate, or at least pass the GED.
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We already have too many mouth breathing white supremist wannabes spending their days stroking their junk over guns...
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One HAS to wonder how these two thoughts are related...
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How does the 1st requirement affect crime?
How does it not violate the 2nd amendment?
 
UtahBill said:
Must be a high school graduate, or at least pass the GED. We already have too many mouth breathing white supremist wannabes spending their days stroking their junk over guns...
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The first sentence is prohibited by the second amendment. The second sentence is just bigoted blather.
 
1) Straw purchasing needs to be cracked down upon. Its already a crime, but I would suggest upgrading the sentence if the gun is actually used in the commission of a crime. Knowingly selling a firearm to straw purchaser also needs to be a crime. A add campaign explaining the consequences of straw purchasing might also be useful

2) Federal firearms dealers are required to report an inventory of every firearm in their possession. Legal penalties result for inaccuracies or omissions in the inventory.

Straw purchasing and corrupt licensed dealers are the primary methods by which criminals obtain their weapons. Cutting down on these methods will make it harder to obtain weapons criminally.

I don't see any second amendment issues. Criminals can be denied the right to bear arms, so banning giving them weapons is acceptable. The second is okay because the constitution makes no mention engaging in the arms trade without oversight. Individuals are even affected.
 
Zyphlin said:
Wouldn't that violate the first amendment? ;)
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Yeah, I was being slightly factitious.

The only laws I would really want would be those which repeal all gun bans and lift almost all restrictions. I liked the idea about the open carry. I would make a law stating that you don't need a permit to conceal carry, and open carry would be allowed too without permit. Private property can request that guns not be carried onto the property (like bars, restaurants, etc.), but it must be posted. The base is going to be that both concealed and open carry are allowed.
 
rathi said:
1) Straw purchasing needs to be cracked down upon. Its already a crime, but I would suggest upgrading the sentence if the gun is actually used in the commission of a crime. Knowingly selling a firearm to straw purchaser also needs to be a crime. A add campaign explaining the consequences of straw purchasing might also be useful
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I agree that straw purchasing needs to be more aggressivly prosecuted.
Its probably hard to do, however, as you have to show that the purchaser was asked to buy a gun by someone he knew could not legally buy a gun.
 
Its probably hard to do, however, as you have to show that the purchaser was asked to buy a gun by someone he knew could not legally buy a gun.
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I agree that it would be difficult. The store security camera would probably be the biggest source of evidence. Its amazing how many times you can catch people recording themselves doing illegal stuff recorded on their own equipment(even the president).
 
rathi said:
I don't see any second amendment issues. Criminals can be denied the right to bear arms, so banning giving them weapons is acceptable. The second is okay because the constitution makes no mention engaging in the arms trade without oversight. Individuals are even affected.
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That is a second amendment issue. That whole bit about "shall not be infringed."
 
That is a second amendment issue. That whole bit about "shall not be infringed."
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Criminals are stripped of rights by due process. You can't lock citizens up in a room either, but obviously you can imprison convicts. Criminals are deprived of otherwise normal rights in a court of law.
 
celticlord said:
That is a second amendment issue. That whole bit about "shall not be infringed."
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There is no 2nd amendment issue regarding banning criminals from owning/using/buying guns, as any/all rights can be removed through due process.
 
celticlord said:
The first sentence is prohibited by the second amendment. The second sentence is just bigoted blather.
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I rest my case....check it out, dud, the tatooed skin heads whitey racists are the most likely to be uneducated and susceptible to far right wing extemist propaganda, and the violence that follows....
Likewise punkass gangs of other ethnic backgrounds.
The SCOTUS has already restricted convicted felons from owning guns, it isn't much of a stretch to restrict ownership by members of gangs who are just a bunch of ignorant sheeple...:2wave:
 
UtahBill said:
I rest my case....check it out, dud, the tatooed skin heads whitey racists are the most likely to be uneducated and susceptible to far right wing extemist propaganda, and the violence that follows....
Likewise punkass gangs of other ethnic backgrounds.
The SCOTUS has already restricted convicted felons from owning guns, it isn't much of a stretch to restrict ownership by members of gangs who are just a bunch of ignorant sheeple...:2wave:
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You rest your case? But you haven't even provided any evidence counselor! :doh:lol:



There is a thing we have called the constitution, you can not restrict peoples rights without due process.
 
UtahBill said:
I rest my case....check it out, dud, the tatooed skin heads whitey racists are the most likely to be uneducated and susceptible to far right wing extemist propaganda, and the violence that follows....
Likewise punkass gangs of other ethnic backgrounds.
The SCOTUS has already restricted convicted felons from owning guns, it isn't much of a stretch to restrict ownership by members of gangs who are just a bunch of ignorant sheeple...:2wave:
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Yes... let's take away peoples' rights because they are 'too stupid'.

:roll:
 
The SCOTUS has already restricted convicted felons from owning guns, it isn't much of a stretch to restrict ownership by members of gangs who are just a bunch of ignorant sheeple..
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Going from convicted felon to "people you don't" like is a huge stretch. You can also put convicted felons in prison. Should we put rednecks in prison without trial as well?
 
I like guns. I think they're quite good, and that people should be able to have them. I think the "assault weapon" laws are fatally flawed, that NYC's CCW process is ridiculous, and that responsible gun owners are unfairly demonized for the acts of others.

At the same time, I recognize that there are problems with our current system.

If I'm not mistaken, all handguns have serial numbers. Why do we bother putting these numbers on them if we're not going to do a good job of tracking them? As mentioned above already, the straw purchase and gun show loopholes boggle the mind. I see no reason why we can't have a system in place where all handguns are registered with the federal government and are updated as they're sold. Make the process simple, make it free, do whatever you need to make it palatable. Just do it.
 
I would have no problem with registration if I had any kind of meaningful assurance that the registry would not be used in short order to assist in confiscation.

Problem is, that's how it went down in the UK, in Canada, and in Australia. And all of the same people calling for registration are the people saying that they don't understand why regular people need to have guns at all.
 
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