Scucca

You've combined a disregard for communal safety with a refusal to consider the available constitutional law analysis. That will ensure, at the very least, a hop skip and jump to a bounded rational position.

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Doc Howl

Oddly enough, there's nothing in the constitution about "communal safety", when it comes to individual liberties.

I fail to see why I should toss away my civil liberties because you're scared.

Scucca

I've already shown why your understanding of the constitution scampers towards dodgy!

I'm only scared of the missus. Public safety is a basic role for the government.

Doc Howl

Because you won't read a simple sentence written by the founders, instead preferring 52 pages of agenda-driven crap.

The fact that you won't read the actual constitution is no indictment of my understanding of it.


Actually, it isn't. The only thing mentioned is "the common defense", which implies invasion or rebellion.

"Safety" is not mentioned once in the constitution, except as pertains to habeas corpus (which is called off as a privilege, not a right).

There's nothing in there about "safety" trumping constitutional rights.

Scucca

I'm not interested in anti-intellectualism.

Doc Howl

And a simple, clearly written sentence is "anti-intellectualism"?

Scucca

You've offered nothing of value to counteract Winkler's published work. You've gone for a standard cheese in the ears routine. Its something that I have to come to expect from the gun lobby, but that just makes it even less interesting.

Got anything entertaining or useful to say?

Doc Howl

Well, except the constitution.

Other than that, GREAT point!

Scucca

I'll stick with the expert. He jumps higher, sees further and throws harder in the attempt to escape shallowness.

Ikari

Who said anything about being safe, the goal is to be free.

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