Scucca

I've made reference to half a dozen published articles on this thread. Have a scroll back.

I remain shocked at the gun lobby's dribbling towards non-supported inanity

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Scucca

I refer you back to:

Please refer to a published academic analysis that supports your position. I'm genuinely interested and it is annoying that I've yet to encounter any proper evidence from the opposing position

Ikari

Refer me to whatever the hell you like. It ain't gonna change reality. Being free is inherently dangerous. But you can't punish or charge people for being free, not if they haven't infringed upon the rights of others.

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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

rivrrat

Uh huh.

All I ever see/hear from gun nazis is fear mongering and illegitmate scare tactics coinciding with denial of individual freedom, liberties, and personal responsibility. Throw in some totalitarianism for good measure too. Never seen anything that actually made sense.

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Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

Scucca

Don't hide from the realityl! I've made reference to half a dozen articles. If you cannot be bothered to refer to them, then do me the favour and make reference to alternative sources. You have no excuse for hiding from the literature

And Ikari...

Please refer to a published academic analysis that supports your position. I'm genuinely interested and it is annoying that I've yet to encounter any proper evidence from the opposing position

Ikari

Why do I need some jackass to verify my beliefs and political opinion? I know what they are, I told you. I don't care what sort of "cost blah blah blah, I hate guns and the consequences of freedom" crap you keep coming up with. I don't need a law degree to understand that you can't punish someone for not having done anything wrong. My many chemistry and physics degrees will suffice for that. How about you actually engage in a debate instead of copying and pasting papers and then ignoring arguments people have made from their own political ideology.


"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

Scucca

I have the horrible feeling that you're being serious!

In the mean time...

Please refer to a published academic analysis that supports your position. I'm genuinely interested and it is annoying that I've yet to encounter any proper evidence from the opposing position

Your inability to refer to anything only suggests to me that you're poorly read. Come on now, you know you can do better!

Ikari

Of course I'm serious. I don't need to look to others to tell me how to think, I got that part down. I am well read, I think you are the one missing important political philosophy on rights. Go read some Hume and Locke. Read the anti-Federalist papers, read the letters between Jefferson and Hamilton. How can you punish someone for doing nothing wrong and merely exercising a right? You never answer that, you hide behind papers written by some other jerk. I'm starting to suspect that you can't construct your own arguments, that the reason you say "blah blah blah, give me an article" is because that's the only way you can figure out how to string together words into any coherent sentence.

Scucca

I'm not interested in your attempt at kidding yourself that you're a keen thinker. I want you to do something painfully simple: I want you to show that you've composed an argument based on an understanding (and critique where necessary) of the available literature. Given that, your failure to refer to just one diddy published source is quite appalling.

Predictable though

Ikari

I've referred you to the works of the Founders. The only thing you want is cut and paste non-thought. When presented with ideology and argument composed free form, you freak out. I don't think you can handle it, you haven't answered hardly any questions posed to you except for restating the same thing. Regurgitation isn't proper debate and unfortunately it seems to be about the only thing you're capable of.