Scucca

You didn't answer my simple question: Is your constitution structured to stop liberty protection (as that is what I'm referring to)?

The history of your regulation suggests to me that you're not particularly well read on the subject. I believe you can go back to the 1968 Gun Control Act which includes a regulatory system enabling states to impose restrictions on gun transactions (including state licences). The legislation is about regulating the secondary gun market and consistent with my argument. There is no prohibition, only a rational response to the liberty harming effects of this secondary market

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aegyptos

The 2nd Amendment trumps all acts of Congress and the States. The 2nd Amendment is about to be upheld and such infringements as the overruled. You show no understanding of basic principles of American government. Your economic defition of liberty, coming as it does from the materialist or marxist side of the house, is particularly ill suited for making the cause of real liberty. Real liberty in the American sense is freedom from government. The 2nd Amendment is about freedom from government. As an Englishman you can be forgiven for not appreciating that.

Scucca

I'll ask again: Is your constitution structured to stop liberty protection (as that is what I'm referring to)? You haven't given a yah or nah. I've translated your bit answer and have assumed you're going with an affirmative.

Whilst I love this idea of American specific liberty, I've been a jolly chap and investigated what the experts say. Take, for example, Winkler (2007, Scrutinising the 2nd Amendment, Michigan Law Review, Vol 105 Issue 4, pp 683-733). This argues that "the Second Amendment's individual rights to bear arms is appropriately ruled by a deferential, reasonableness analysis under which nearly all gun control regulations would survive judicial scrutiny". Them pesky lawyers!

aegyptos

No doubt the two of us have a very different idea of what liberty consists of just as our two nations have a very different idea of what it consists of. As a socialist you are selling the idea of positive liberty. I'm not buying.

Your question? Irrelevant.

Scucca

Winkler (a constitutional law expert) or aegyptos (some geezer that chants "I'm right cos I say I am"). Hmmm. Hard choice

tecoyah

Do Fewer Guns Mean Less Crime?

Fewer Guns mean less GUN related Crime.....nothing more, nothing less.

Guns only make certain types of criminal action easier, the crimes will still take place but will at times require more effort.

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Scucca

Afraid not! The abundance of evidence suggests otherwise. As an example, we have Mocan and Tekin (2006, Guns and Juvenile Crime, Journal of Law & Economics, Vol 49, pp 507-531) which "[c]ontrolling for a very large number of personal and family characteristics and exploiting the time variation in criminal activity and gun availability, [shows] that gun availability at home is positively related to the propensity to commit crime for juveniles"

Lachean

I would love to see the stats on a county or state that saw less crime with more gun control, because I have dozens of stats that support the contrary, primarily Florida.

But more importantly, even if you were right the point is moot; The whole point to a constitution is that no matter what happens, free people cannot vote away their rights and liberties.

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Scucca

I hope you're not going to provide raw data. It is not possible to isolate the gun ownership effect, given other crime effecting variables are not constant (e.g. business cycle). I've referred to empirical evidence that controls for these other variables and provides a means to isolate the gun ownership variables.

I haven't referred to prohibition. I've only referred to regulation. I've also referred to an article by Winkler, an American constitutional law specialist that notes "the Second Amendment's individual rights to bear arms is appropriately ruled by a deferential, reasonableness analysis under which nearly all gun control regulations would survive judicial scrutiny"

Goobieman

More illegal guns may mean more gun crime. Maybe.
That, however, doesnt have anything to do with legal guns or legal gun owners.

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