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Old 10-31-07, 06:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Constitution for the United States of America, Section 8

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
The income tax expanded from there, was eventually deemed partly unconstitutional by the court in that particular format, was minimized, and was then revamped in a different format leading up to the 16th amendment.
My point exactly... What did the OP ask??? Article 1 section 8 has almost nothing to do with the income tax as it is now. All it does is grant the power to tax. Look at the context of my wording...
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Ever wonder why there wasnt a true federally sponsered income tax until 1913???
True being the key word...

From your own site:
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Under the Constitution, Congress could impose direct taxes only if they were levied in proportion to each State's population. Thus, when a flat rate Federal income tax was enacted in 1894, it was quickly challenged and in 1895 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional because it was a direct tax not apportioned according to the population of each state.
Your site must be wrong

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Strictly speaking, yes. But your arguments that:

a) Art 1, Sec 8 does not authorize an income tax, and
b) There was no federal income tax before 1913

are both completely false.
if they werent able to tax all forms of income, it isnt a true income tax...


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I'm not arguing about the OP, I'm merely responding to the incorrect information that you posted in response to JeffMerriman.

I was just shocked interpretation was brought into the mix when there clearly was a 16th amendment. The entire purpose of the 16th is to make it perfectly clear about the taxing of ones income...

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The only people who believe this **** are tax protester conspiracy theorists, the bulk of whom end up getting convicted of tax evasion when they try to practice the idiocy that they preach.
They believe a bunch of garbage in regards to section 861 etc...


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Be that as it may, it's interesting that you cite a case that refutes your argument.
My argument??? What was my argument??? Various state constitutions prohibited this at that very time. You dont believe me, look it up for yourself because i dont even have full knowledge of my own states...



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Link?
You search the state constitutions yourself. That could take hours upon hours. Ill give you a hint. Ron Paul is against the income tax...
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