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Islamist Penetration's First Stage Has Begun...in Congress

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Islamist Penetration's First Stage Has Begun...in Congress
Date: March 13, 2007

By The Editors

As Dr. Walid Phares predicted in his first book, Future Jihad, and as others’ books also have warned, the first step towards the Islamist penetration of American institutions would begin in a seemingly benign way and proceed from there to become something much more malignant. That journey has now begun.


Dr. Phares outlined that the beginning would start this way:

1) Stage one: Legitimize meetings by a Jihadist "Political" group on US Congress grounds.


2) Stage two: Intercept all counter Terrorism legislation under "affecting religious and social relations within America."


And voila….according to the Washington Times in the article you see below, a House Democrat has arranged for this travesty to begin. We have emphasized certain important statements in red.


Be aware, America, and watch closely


- The Editors
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CAIR OK'd to meet in Capitol

By S.A. Miller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 12, 2007

A House Democrat has arranged for a conference room in the Capitol building to be used tomorrow by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Muslim advocacy group criticized for its persistent refusal to disavow terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

The District-based group also is singled out by other Democratic lawmakers and some law-enforcement officials because of financial ties to terrorists.

Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr., New Jersey Democrat, reserved the basement conference room for CAIR's panel discussion Tuesday titled "Global Attitudes on Islam-West Relations: U.S. Policy Implications."

"We just see it as a simple room request," Pascrell spokesman Caley Gray said. "We did receive a room request and evaluated it and approved it."
He said the forum "opens up an important dialogue about global public opinion concerning the United States."

Still, the event's sponsor raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill, even if all sorts of groups routinely hold receptions and meetings in the Capitol.

"It does happen all the time but usually it is the United Way or some constituent group or Mothers Against Drunk Driving, not a group with supposed ties to terrorism -- in the Capitol no less," a Hill staffer said.

CAIR officials did not return a call seeking comment.

The room -- H-137 -- is controlled by the Ways and Means Committee.

Mr. Pascrell is a committee member and can reserve the room for any guest provided he "vouch it complies with House rules," said committee spokesman Matthew Beck.

CAIR, which is country's largest Islamic civil liberties group with 31 chapters nationwide, has never been charged with terrorism crimes and the organization is known to cooperate with the FBI and the Justice Department.

However, CAIR officials have been charged with -- and some convicted of -- offenses related to the support of terrorism, including CAIR fundraiser Rabih Haddad, founding board member Ghassan Elashi and former CAIR civil rights coordinator Randall Royer.

End of Washington Times article.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070311-13356-1660r.htm
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Family Security Matters
 
what scandal? as long as we're talking about ties to Islamists, then the first stage started long ago. Let's hear you talk about the support that bin Laden received from the US government decades ago. back then, Islamists were good. and much much more was done then to bring these criminals toward their goals. CAIR's activities are nothing in comparison and are predominantly positive.

the Daniel Pipes and the Front Page Mags of the world will come up with sketchy ties to terrorists of this Muslim (not Islamist) advocacy group. The Michael Moores of the world will come up with sketch ties to terrorists, between, say, Bush and the Saudi royal family, et al.

the ridiculousness of it all is less than helpful.
 
"CAIR, which is country's largest Islamic civil liberties group with 31 chapters nationwide, has never been charged with terrorism crimes and the organization is known to cooperate with the FBI and the Justice Department."

What is the problem?

Source of OP (since the OP didn't post it):

Family Security Matters

From sourcewatch:

Following an appearance on Fox News, Media Matters for America noted that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength." (The phone number listed on the FSM website is answered by the CSP.)

Family Security Matters - SourceWatch
 
Lachean said:
Much ado about nothin
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Iriemon said:
"CAIR, which is country's largest Islamic civil liberties group with 31 chapters nationwide, has never been charged with terrorism crimes and the organization is known to cooperate with the FBI and the Justice Department."

What is the problem?

Source of OP (since the OP didn't post it):

Family Security Matters

From sourcewatch:

Following an appearance on Fox News, Media Matters for America noted that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength." (The phone number listed on the FSM website is answered by the CSP.)

Family Security Matters - SourceWatch
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niftydrifty said:
what scandal? as long as we're talking about ties to Islamists, then the first stage started long ago. Let's hear you talk about the support that bin Laden received from the US government decades ago. back then, Islamists were good. and much much more was done then to bring these criminals toward their goals. CAIR's activities are nothing in comparison and are predominantly positive.

the Daniel Pipes and the Front Page Mags of the world will come up with sketchy ties to terrorists of this Muslim (not Islamist) advocacy group. The Michael Moores of the world will come up with sketch ties to terrorists, between, say, Bush and the Saudi royal family, et al.

the ridiculousness of it all is less than helpful.
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'It was all the cops' fault.' - Verbal Kint, The Usual Suspects
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There is an Arabic proverb that says "she accused me of having her malady, then snuck away." OBL to John Miller ABC News
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niftydrifty said:
what scandal? as long as we're talking about ties to Islamists, then the first stage started long ago. Let's hear you talk about the support that bin Laden received from the US government decades ago.
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He didn't get funding, arms, or support, while we did support some Mujahadeen OBL was not among them.
 
Iriemon said:
"CAIR, which is country's largest Islamic civil liberties group with 31 chapters nationwide, has never been charged with terrorism crimes and the organization is known to cooperate with the FBI and the Justice Department."

What is the problem?

Source of OP (since the OP didn't post it):

Family Security Matters

From sourcewatch:

Following an appearance on Fox News, Media Matters for America noted that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength." (The phone number listed on the FSM website is answered by the CSP.)

Family Security Matters - SourceWatch
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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." -- Omar Ahmad former Chairmen and founder of CAIR.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
He didn't get funding, arms, or support, while we did support some Mujahadeen OBL was not among them.
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the government says that we didn't directly fund bin Laden. the key word there is "directly." just like the Syrian government doesn't directly wage war with Israel. or Iran doesn't directly engage our troops in Iraq.


TOT said:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." -- Omar Ahmad former Chairmen and founder of CAIR.
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some newspaper reported that he said that. but he denies it. and this quote contradicts other statements he has made, and it also contradicts what CAIR says on its website. Daniel Pipes is great at putting a lot of weight into hearsay.

"Jihad" does not mean "holy war." Literally, jihad means to strive, struggle and exert effort. It is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g., - having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression.
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." -- Omar Ahmad former Chairmen and founder of CAIR.
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Sounds like something by conservative Christian friends say, just substitute Christianity for Islam and the Bible for the Koran.

So what.
 
Iriemon said:
Sounds like something by conservative Christian friends say, just substitute Christianity for Islam and the Bible for the Koran.

So what.
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Not to mention, TOT and Bkhad, would either of you care to find out how many Dominionist christian groups have met in the Capitol building (not to mention how many can call the White House and speak directly to Bush whenever)?
 
niftydrifty said:
the government says that we didn't directly fund bin Laden. the key word there is "directly." just like the Syrian government doesn't directly wage war with Israel. or Iran doesn't directly engage our troops in Iraq.
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Ya ya ya, Iran directly arms terrorists in Iraq, Syria directly funds and arms terrorists that wage war against Israel, bottom line the U.S. had no contact with OBL and we never funded or armed OBL.

some newspaper reported that he said that. but he denies it. and this quote contradicts other statements he has made, and it also contradicts what CAIR says on its website. Daniel Pipes is great at putting a lot of weight into hearsay.
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Ofcourse they deny it now, the newspaper stands by the story and refused to print a retraction, as to their comments it's called al-taqqiya, these people were founded by Hamas supporters and members and they recieve their funding from terrorist supporters.
 
Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
Not to mention, TOT and Bkhad, would either of you care to find out how many Dominionist christian groups have met in the Capitol building (not to mention how many can call the White House and speak directly to Bush whenever)?
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Ya and how many of these people support terrorist groups in Israel? How many of them are calling for a theocratic state in the U.S. with the bible as the highest law of the land? You people are ****ing hilarious when it comes to the likes of Jerry Fallwell you laugh at their deaths but in regards to Islamic Fascist mother ****ers you couldn't be happier with them.
 
So easy

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
When has Pat Robertson or Jerry Fallwell called for a theocracy in the U.S.?
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One google search, 1st listing. :doh

"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress. I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"
- Jerry Falwell, "Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984.
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Shall I continue on to Robertson? Or how about Fred Phelps?

Surely these gentlemen respect our constitution, the 1st amendment, and our SECULAR NATION. :lol:
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Ya and how many of these people support terrorist groups in Israel? How many of them are calling for a theocratic state in the U.S. with the bible as the highest law of the land?
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Lots.

You people are ****ing hilarious when it comes to the likes of Jerry Fallwell you laugh at their deaths but in regards to Islamic Fascist mother ****ers you couldn't be happier with them.
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You mischaracterize us mother ****ers. I'm not personally happy with either position.
 
Iriemon said:
Sounds like something by conservative Christian friends say, just substitute Christianity for Islam and the Bible for the Koran.

So what.
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and if it were fromChristians, you would be all over it. Because it is from Muslims, you are not.


THAT is the so what.
 
Gardener said:
and if it were fromChristians, you would be all over it. Because it is from Muslims, you are not.

THAT is the so what.
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Hmm, I don't recall any threads started by Muslims here calling for that proposition to which I've ever assented that would give you a basis for expressing such an opinion.

But for the sake of clarity, I will state here, and publicly, that I categorically oppose the establishment of any religious text as the highest legal authority in America, regardless of what religion it is; or that any religion (or belief system) should be the the only accepted religion (or belief system) on earth.

Let the record so reflect.
 
niftydrifty said:
the government says that we didn't directly fund bin Laden. the key word there is "directly." just like the Syrian government doesn't directly wage war with Israel. or Iran doesn't directly engage our troops in Iraq.


some newspaper reported that he said that. but he denies it. and this quote contradicts other statements he has made, and it also contradicts what CAIR says on its website. Daniel Pipes is great at putting a lot of weight into hearsay.

"Jihad" does not mean "holy war." Literally, jihad means to strive, struggle and exert effort. It is a central and broad Islamic concept that includes struggle against evil inclinations within oneself, struggle to improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield for self-defense (e.g., - having a standing army for national defense), or fighting against tyranny or oppression.
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Your definition of Jihad is lacking.

Walid Phares says in "Future Jihad":

Jihad was declared by the early Muslim leaders as a sixth unofficial pillare of Islam. It was conceived as an "instrument of Islam," a sufficient but not a necessary condition for the spread and defense of the religion. In its pure logic, jihad was needed if things were not going smoothly. [Pg22]

[...]

Since jihad was an obligation (wajib) to act, the next questions are why and what for?

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Historians have done significant work in this regard;what is commonly accepted as a tradition in the Arab and Muslim world is that collective jihad [Muslim scholars recognize all jihad to advance the communal cause] was launched under two conditions...

The first is when the umma was in physical danger of attack [one can imagine a premptive jihad if the leaders strongly suspected a neighbor had WMD's].

But the second condition for jihad was not defensive but offensive: to promote, propagate, and conquer for Islam. The umma was not static in its geography. The essence of its initial marching order was to expand universally. By comparison, the divine marching order received by the Jews was to head toward the Promised Land. The equivalent in early Arabian Islam was to expand outward to the world.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-iraq/20318-why-do-republicans-hate-troops-10.html#post554063
 
Iriemon said:
Sounds like something by conservative Christian friends say, just substitute Christianity for Islam and the Bible for the Koran.

So what.
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Brotherhood members emphasize that they follow the laws of the nations in which they operate. They stress that they do not believe in overthrowing the U.S. government, but rather that they want as many people as possible to convert to Islam so that one day--perhaps generations from now--a majority of Americans will support a society governed by Islamic law.

chicagotribune.com

Chicago Tribune news | Registration
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So what? We'll get a chance to tear up the Constitution and live under Sharia Law, that's so what! That's a big deal, don't you agree?
 
Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
Not to mention, TOT and Bkhad, would either of you care to find out how many Dominionist christian groups have met in the Capitol building (not to mention how many can call the White House and speak directly to Bush whenever)?
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Ahh, but Islam is more than just a regular religion. It is a SUPER RELIGION!

It's a governmental system and a system of laws and a military philosophy.

It's all-in-one.

And while you want to include it as a religion it isn't just that. It's more.

And the Super part of Islam is that it's system of laws and enforced government and dictates of individual life are more efficient than ours.

If it is introduced into our capitol it could quickly take over because of it's superiority.

But our government deserves a right to maintain it's own sovereignty.

No, having Islamic meetings in the Capitol might quickly spread to having the Islamic flag flying over the Capitol building.

A REGULAR religion is no threat to our government. But a clearly superior SUPER religion like Islam is too much of a threat to our system of government to be thought of as JUST a religion.
 
Re: So easy

Lachean said:
One google search, 1st listing. :doh



Shall I continue on to Robertson? Or how about Fred Phelps?

Surely these gentlemen respect our constitution, the 1st amendment, and our SECULAR NATION. :lol:
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A) Fred Phelps is a Democratic operative.

B) I'm not seeing where they call for a theocratic state.
 
Re: So easy

Lachean said:
"If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth ... We need to pull out all the stops to recruit and train 25 million Americans to become informed pro-moral activists whose voices can be heard in the halls of Congress. I am convinced that America can be turned around if we will all get serious about the Master's business. It may be late, but it is never too late to do what is right. We need an old-fashioned, God-honoring, Christ-exalting revival to turn American back to God. America can be saved!"
- Jerry Falwell, "Moral Majority Report" for September, 1984.
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TOT said:
I'm not seeing where they call for a theocratic state.
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wow.

bhkad said:
Your definition of Jihad is lacking.
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I've already told you that you need to learn more about what Islam from a source other than those you find thru your right wing sources. what percentage of worldwide Muslims agree with your definition of Jihad? what percentage agree with the one I pasted from CAIR? care to guess?
 
bhkad said:
So what? We'll get a chance to tear up the Constitution and live under Sharia Law, that's so what! That's a big deal, don't you agree?
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You'll have better success practicing your histrionics on someone who drinks your koolaid.

The only folks I see trying to tear up the Constitution are conservatives like you.
 
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