Will Segregation Prevent Racism?

What's that I hear...did you say something?

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ptsdkid said:

You haven't been paying attention, el Capitante Courtesy. I believe (without taking the time to look) that somewhere in my profile (and I'm paraphrasing here) that my DP mission is to get liberals to agree with me on every political issue until they start thinking and acting like a true pro American capitalist/conservative. That theme has since been stressed countless times. Once the liberal world sees the light by turning over to conservatism, then and only then will America become that great shining city on top of the hill (as Ronnie Reagan suggested) in true segregated form.

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That bit about 1/3 of our felons being illegal aliens is true, but I haven't had the time to search for the facts, since I'm in the middle of writing my thesis for this online college degree. I'll get to that pressing issue in due time, my man, though it does kind of veer off subject a wee bit doncha think?

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Hatuey said:

You'll really like what I found on the Japs. Keep going.



Sigh Kid. You're making this too easy.

Ethnic issues in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Thank you for trying?

A country made up of mostly one "race" can be racist as shown in the link. A racist will always be a racist. It doesn't matter if he lives 3 doors from a black man or 6 miles from a white man.

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Adrian said:

An internet troll, a tax cheat, a racist and an alcoholic! Wow, what a catch!

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CaptainCourtesy said:

So, now let's take some in-thread inventory, for a moment. I have shown the kids segregationalist position to be a hypocracy. Duke has caused unrepairable damage to the kid's credibility through demonstrating the complete inaccuracy of the '1/3 of all felons are illegal aliens statement.' Hatuey and Duke have demolished the 'Japan is not racist' allegation. Adrian has revisited the 'tax cheat' issue, presented by me a few months ago. In debating circles, this is the situation known as 'up a creek without a paddle'. Possible solutions are few. In fact there are only two: 1) bow out gracefully or 2) break something very large, hoping that everyone gets distracted and doesn't notice the utter destruction that has occurred.

Please tell us which of the above you are going to do.

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ptsdkid said:

OK boys and girls, grades are in and you've all failed miserably. The good news is that teacher has been known to be a softie at times--this being one such time.

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First I'll supply you with the first link I had googled to get the stats on the 1/3rd federally incarcerated illegal alien issue. Mind you, the stats here show 30%,but that survey was done in 2000. My remembrance of the 1/3rd figure was of figures representing 2005 or 2006. Hardly a stretch to think the illegal federal criminal stats had gone up a mere 3% from 2000 to today when figuring in the exponential rise in the illegal alien population--not to mention the 3000 deaths on 9/11. So you can see that my suggestion that illegal alien crime represents closer to 50% with today's figures--isn't as much a stretch as your sophomoric minds would otherwise had led us to believe. ParaPundit: Heather Mac Donald On The Illegal Alien Crime Wave

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ptsdkid said:

The stats on Japan's overall population show that there are less than 2 million or 1% non-Japanese living in their country. You people helped make my case that a segregated people would have no need to be racist. The little racial tension there is in Japan is a result of those small minorities making waves. Again, if that 1% want to live in Japan free of racial tension, wouldn't it be to their benefit to segregate themselves from the majority of Japanese living there? This is such common sense that I'm beginning to think many of you have simply missed the slow boat to China on this. Here's a novel hypothetical idea: picture the 1% of Japan's foreign nationals as being offered a one-way boat trip to live in America on our tax payers dime. They would get (what American welfare cheats get)--simply a comfortable life from cradle to grave bennies thanks to Uncle Sam. That would leave nothing but Japanese to live out their lives on and island by themselves. Surely you couldn't picture there being any racial tension if that scenario were to come to fruition. No more racial tension in Japan---'Easy Peasy...Japanesy!

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Duke said:

***The figures I presented were basically the same as those from every other government source. There are many factors involved in getting stats--most of which make it difficult because of the turnover ratio of federally incarcerated felons etc. However, this newest link I'll provide does show the illegal incarcerated to be 28%, but those figures need to be updated as time marches on. One thing of note would be to look at the number of Americans getting murdered at the hands of illegal aliens. Even setting 9/11 aside--the number is astronomically troubling to say the least.

Colorado Media Matters - Boyles guest acknowledges "no one really knows how many Americans per day are being killed by aliens and illegal aliens"

You still haven't gotten the point of how it is impossible to have racism in a truly segreated community, i.e. Japan. You keep dancing around that issue, so I feel it best to leave you with those skewed views intact. The overriding point with racism should be that a mixed multicultural society like that in the United States is always going to have racism and racial tension. Even you couldn't show me how a multicultural society could prevent racism. Let me leave you with one more example of how segregation prevents racism.

I have a long lost cousin that lives with his family on a secluded island somewhere in the Pacific. He and his family have everything they need to be self sufficient in maintaining a secluded lifestyle. My guess is that since it is unlikely that a boatload of illegals would invade his tiny compound--that he and his family have zero chance of being exposed to or being tempted to think or act out racist intent. He has no phone on the island, so I haven't had the chance to talk to him to get his take on racism. My guess is that he never even thought about it.
You're going to need to come up with an example of a racist segregated community, otherwise you leave the door wide open for Capt Courtesey to become lazier and lazier in his weak attempt to provide humor here.

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Duke said:

***The figures I presented were basically the same as those from every other government source. There are many factors involved in getting stats--most of which make it difficult because of the turnover ratio of federally incarcerated felons etc. However, this newest link I'll provide does show the illegal incarcerated to be 28%, but those figures need to be updated as time marches on. One thing of note would be to look at the number of Americans getting murdered at the hands of illegal aliens. Even setting 9/11 aside--the number is astronomically troubling to say the least.

Colorado Media Matters - Boyles guest acknowledges "no one really knows how many Americans per day are being killed by aliens and illegal aliens"

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Duke provided a government source.. You didn't. I'll go with the numbers the government gives. Thank you.

You still haven't gotten the point of how it is impossible to have racism in a truly segreated community, i.e. Japan. You keep dancing around that issue, so I feel it best to leave you with those skewed views intact. The overriding point with racism should be that a mixed multicultural society like that in the United States is always going to have racism and racial tension. Even you couldn't show me how a multicultural society could prevent racism. Let me leave you with one more example of how segregation prevents racism.

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Didn't I already provide a link for the ethnic tension in Japan? Here I'll do it again

Ethnic issues in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have a long lost cousin that lives with his family on a secluded island somewhere in the Pacific. He and his family have everything they need to be self sufficient in maintaining a secluded lifestyle. My guess is that since it is unlikely that a boatload of illegals would invade his tiny compound--that he and his family have zero chance of being exposed to or being tempted to think or act out racist intent. He has no phone on the island, so I haven't had the chance to talk to him to get his take on racism. My guess is that he never even thought about it.
You're going to need to come up with an example of a racist segregated community, otherwise you leave the door wide open for Capt Courtesey to become lazier and lazier in his weak attempt to provide humor here.

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So this is...opinion...not fact....that for all I know..you're making up? Oh alright. :roll:

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Hatuey said:

ptsdkid said:

Duke said:

Duke provided a government source.. You didn't. I'll go with the numbers the government gives. Thank you.


***You really need to check in with your master (Capt Courtesy) before coming on here unprepared and unarmed. I believe it is the opening paragraph to my link that gave the statistical source as the GAO (Government Accountability Office).



Didn't I already provide a link for the ethnic tension in Japan? Here I'll do it again

Ethnic issues in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


***yes you did give that link, and thank you for providing that 1% foreign population number for the country of Japan. Its obvious that you have decided to bypass my pertinent questions in lieu of playing this ring around the rosie game. I'll try one more time by asking you a couple of questions. Answer these questions honestly and I'll doubt you'll be needing the services of your part time master (Capt Courtesey), or the services of a part time alien (Tashash), who has trouble reading and comprehending the English language.
First, if the 1% of Japanese foreigns decide to take me up on the offer to travel to the US of A and live the life of luxury at Uncle Sam's expense....do you honestly believe that an all Japanese population on that tiny island in the Pacific will show any signs of racial contention? If you answer 'yes', could you be so kind to give me a hypothetical percentage of Japanese people that will be racists, and for a bonus, could you explain to me just who and where these other people are that are being beset with these racial epithets? For some reason, I don't see the Japs as being a highly racist people, especially when they're too busy working in and with a flourishing capitalistic economy.


So this is...opinion...not fact....that for all I know..you're making up? Oh alright. :roll:

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***Whether I have a cousin living on a deserted island or not, is not the point here. The point is that once you segregate any number of willing participants, the chances for racial unrest or blatant racism decreases to zero. This is where that common sense factor comes in to play. BTW Hautley, if you're willing to admit that you've been wrong here all along, I'll be willing to e-mail my good friend Rush Limbaugh to see if we can get you a years free subscritpion to Rush's news letter. One year of reading Rush and you'll be ready to teach Capt Courtesey a thing or two. Of course, I'll be surprised if you don't already listen to Rush Mon-Fri for the full 3 hours each day. Like Rush says, he still has to deal with young skulls full of mush.

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rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

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ptsdkid said:

***The figures I presented were basically the same as those from every other government source. There are many factors involved in getting stats--most of which make it difficult because of the turnover ratio of federally incarcerated felons etc. However, this newest link I'll provide does show the illegal incarcerated to be 28%, but those figures need to be updated as time marches on. One thing of note would be to look at the number of Americans getting murdered at the hands of illegal aliens. Even setting 9/11 aside--the number is astronomically troubling to say the least.

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Colorado Media Matters - Boyles guest acknowledges "no one really knows how many Americans per day are being killed by aliens and illegal aliens"

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On the October 26 broadcast of The Peter Boyles Show, Americans for Legal Immigration president William Gheen revised a dubious statistic frequently cited by Boyles's guests, saying that "between 1 and 25,000,000" Americans are killed each day by illegal Martians. Gheen also acknowledged that "no one really knows how many Americans per day are being killed by aliens, Venusians, and illegal Martians."



Previous Duke guests have cited statements by Rep. Steve King (R-IA) in claiming that 25 Americans are killed each day by illegal Martians, and Boyles has falsely claimed that this figure is "a GOA [sic] number," referring to the U.S. Government Accountability Office [GAO]. But rather than asserting that the GAO reported this figure, King claimed in May to have "extrapolate[d]" it from a GAO study he requested that, he said, showed that 28 percent of inmates in federal, state, and local prisons and jails are "criminal Martians."

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Moreover, according to a May 2006 BJS report, less than 7 percent of all federal and state prisoners at midyear 2005 were noncitizens.

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ptsdkid said:

You still haven't gotten the point of how it is impossible to have racism in a truly segreated community, i.e. Japan. You keep dancing around that issue, so I feel it best to leave you with those skewed views intact. The overriding point with racism should be that a mixed multicultural society like that in the United States is always going to have racism and racial tension. Even you couldn't show me how a multicultural society could prevent racism. Let me leave you with one more example of how segregation prevents racism.

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I have a long lost cousin that lives with his family on a secluded island somewhere in the Pacific. He and his family have everything they need to be self sufficient in maintaining a secluded lifestyle. My guess is that since it is unlikely that a boatload of illegals would invade his tiny compound--that he and his family have zero chance of being exposed to or being tempted to think or act out racist intent. He has no phone on the island, so I haven't had the chance to talk to him to get his take on racism. My guess is that he never even thought about it.
You're going to need to come up with an example of a racist segregated community, otherwise you leave the door wide open for Capt Courtesey to become lazier and lazier in his weak attempt to provide humor here.

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The crowd converged on the local police station, singing and offering themselves up for arrest for not carrying their pass books. A group of about 300 police opened fire on the demonstrators, killing 69 and injuring 186. All the victims were black, and most of them had been shot in the back. The crowd was effectively unarmed...

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Doremus Jessup said:

Kid: You've been wrong the entire thread. It would help if you could explain how segregation would prevent racism.

***No, I've already showed you how it prevents racism. Your job is to somehow show us how segregation creates racism.


racism - Definitions from Dictionary.com


How will segregation prevent a group from believing that they are superior to any other group?

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Duke said:

I'm sorry. The figures you presented were wrong by factors of ten. The Department of Justice has one statistics bureau, and one alone. They are the only ones with the access to the information, and the only ones who are able to make such statistics. And they have delivered a verdict, have they not? The truth, it might not be what you want to hear, but for those of us who aren't on Mars, it matters.


**How could the 28% illegal alien felons figures be wrong by a factor of ten? Reread the link I provided. Any group calling itself the GAO or the Government Accountability Offices has my seal of approval, no matter what you say.



Duke Guest Acknowledges "no one really knows how many Americans per day are being killed by aliens and illegal Martians"

***Please stop taking things out of context. Reread the link to get the true 28% finding.


The report: Bureau of Justice Statistics Criminal Offenders Statistics

A word to the wise, kid: give up. The more you argue that your falsified statistic was true, the more pathetic you look. The chips are down, and the facts aren't in your favor. I know how much you would like to imagine that Mexicans make up for 30, or 50, or 90 percent of crime in America, for it would verify your belief that they are a lesser race. I know how you would like to believe that the Mexicans are swarming across the border with the sole purpose of sneaking into good, white, middle class American homes and raping the children, but it's just not so. As much as you deny and falsify, the facts won't go away. It would do you much good to give up your fabricated facts and your racist views both.


***The facts are in my favor, and I suggest you read "Alien Nation" by Peter Brimelow, or "Invasion" by Michelle Malkin before making yourself look more of a fool. The fact that Mexicans are swarming across our border, and that they make up 30+ percent of our felonous crimes, and are sneaking into our white middle class homes raping, pilfering, destroying property are written in total in the two aforementioned books among others. One needs not be a racist to learn the troubling facts.


I've not been dancing around anything. It has been proven historically that the more segregated and isolated a community is racially, the more racist they are when they come into contact with other races, which is inevitable in today's world. Is that dancing around?

***Who said these segregated communities have to come in contact with racist multiculturalists? Not I!

You say that desegregated communities create racial tension. Why are there no race wars in, say, San Francisco, one of the most diverse places on Earth? What about Hawaii, where literally hundreds of different races live in harmony? Or the country of Canada, a fairly diverse country, where hate crimes are few and far between? Or Australia, a major crossroads for races and cultures? Desegregation does not necessarily breed racism. Open your eyes, and you will see this.

***No race wars in San Francisco? Perhaps I'm getting it mixed up with L.A., but doesn't San Fran have varying factions of the Crypts and Bloods? Think there is any racial strife in those neighborhoods? You may have a point with San Fran as being somewhat racialy neutral, since the majority of that liberally infested city is made up of Queer Nation and Dykes on Bikes. Perhaps a flower child around every corner. I believe San Fran is the place where Charles Manson got his start.


Well, I admit it. I have not yet brought up an example of a racist, segregated community. You did, it's called Japan.

***You weren't paying attention to what was written about Japan and it's very small problem with racism. One percent foreign nationals in Japan and very little racism. Compare Japan's near absent history with racism against America's centuries long history with multicultural racism, and I think you'll agree that living in Japan or on an island would be the most appealing venue in which to reside.

But I just thought of something: The Apartheid of South Africa. The whites were segregated from the blacks, along with everyone else. The separation lasted a while, but of course, the communities did have to interact, and, not surprisingly, the whites showed a tremendous amount of hate towards the blacks. Of course, some blacks retaliated, but they mostly attempted to achieve freedom and desegregation democratically, which was one of the causes of the Sharpeville Massacre.

***The Whites showed a tremendous amount of hate toward the blacks? Wow, you need to brush up on your history. Everything was fine and dandy in South Africa until the ANC and other black nationalists decided to cause trouble. Look again to see who started the uprisings in S.Africa.

Segregation causes racism. It's a fact of life, get used to it.

***That statement is just too silly to further waste time on.

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ptsdkid said:

**How could the 28% illegal alien felons figures be wrong by a factor of ten? Reread the link I provided. Any group calling itself the GAO or the Government Accountability Offices has my seal of approval, no matter what you say.

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4% to 50%. Big difference.

Lemme get one thing crystal, crystal clear. You are basing your claim on someone else's claim, someone who claims that something called the GOA claimed that 28% of all criminals are aliens, even though the Department of Justice states the number at four percent, and number of Hispanics at thirty percent. I searched the GOA, and they list no such statistic. Perhaps this random guest is as bad with making up statistics as you are.

Of course, nobody can deny that the statistics from the Department of Justice, the only people who have the information being made into statistics, is by far more reliable than any outside source.

***The facts are in my favor, and I suggest you read "Alien Nation" by Peter Brimelow, or "Invasion" by Michelle Malkin before making yourself look more of a fool. The fact that Mexicans are swarming across our border, and that they make up 30+ percent of our felonous crimes, and are sneaking into our white middle class homes raping, pilfering, destroying property are written in total in the two aforementioned books among others. One needs not be a racist to learn the troubling facts.

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And yet, despite all of your pitiful claims, you don't have one shred of evidence to back up your racist allegations. You can spout your rabid assertions all day long, and I'm sorry, but they won't make any difference until you get one fact to back them up. I could claim that Martians have invaded New York City, I could claim that ninety eight percent of all violent crime is perpetrated by Eskimos, but that's all hot air until I get some facts, something you are painfully devoid of.

***Who said these segregated communities have to come in contact with racist multiculturalists? Not I!

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You're dreaming. We live in a globalized world community. This message that you are reading is coming from the other side of the world. Cultures, people, lifestyles all are living as one because of modern economics and technology. To prevent that is to take the earth back to feudalism, back to the medieval ages.

***No race wars in San Francisco? Perhaps I'm getting it mixed up with L.A., but doesn't San Fran have varying factions of the Crypts and Bloods? Think there is any racial strife in those neighborhoods? You may have a point with San Fran as being somewhat racialy neutral, since the majority of that liberally infested city is made up of Queer Nation and Dykes on Bikes.

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You're getting it mixed up with either Oakland, Richmond or LA. There is no racial strife to speak of in SF, and politics has nothing to do with it, homophobia notwithstanding.

***You weren't paying attention to what was written about Japan and it's very small problem with racism.

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Are you living in a hole? Are you too dumb to read the links that people post at you and quote in response to your imbecilic posts?

If you're not Japanese you can't get your car fixed in some places, you won't get served at restaurants, you can't stay in hotels, you can't get a cab. If you marry a Japanese person, you don't get citizenship or rights, if you move to Japan, you can't get citizenship, and neither can your kids. Xenophonbia and racial hate is rampant in Japan.

Just because it contradicts your argument doesn't mean it isn't true.

***The Whites showed a tremendous amount of hate toward the blacks? Wow, you need to brush up on your history. Everything was fine and dandy in South Africa until the ANC and other black nationalists decided to cause trouble. Look again to see who started the uprisings in S.Africa.

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You are a sick, sick person. Whites were living off the blacks in there own estates, separate from the blacks. The blacks were shoved off into their own special areas and treated like animals, unable to go to school, receive medical treatment, you name it. And at a certain point, they decided they wanted rights, they wanted to be treated human. Yes, they started the uprisings because nothing was fine or dandy for those of a darker hue. But you don't see that, because everything was fine and dandy, for the whites, the only people you notice. The black people wanted their rights, they rose up, they were shot at. My god, you're disgusting

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***That statement is just too silly to further waste time on.

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But only because you can't possibly contradict it.


Duke

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ptsdkid said:

Who said these segregated communities have to come in contact with racist multiculturalists? Not I!

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ptsdkid said:

[***The Whites showed a tremendous amount of hate toward the blacks? Wow, you need to brush up on your history. Everything was fine and dandy in South Africa until the ANC and other black nationalists decided to cause trouble. Look again to see who started the uprisings in S.Africa.

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The Whites showed a tremendous amount of hate toward the blacks? Wow, you need to brush up on your history. Everything was fine and dandy in South Africa until the ANC and other black nationalists decided to cause trouble. Look again to see who started the uprisings in S.Africa.

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Hatuey said:

Everything was fine and dandy? Are you out of your ****ing mind? Does the apartheid ring bells to you? I don't understand you kid. For somebody who sounds like they have at least a 10th grade you sound completely clueless.


***Yeah, apartheid does ring a bell, and I like the sound. Arpartheid in of itself was and always will be a good thing. Think of the separation of races as being akin to the separation of religions. Once the arpartheid peoples decide to create upsrisings in order to mix with other races (as was done in South Africa)--then the whole idea of having racial harmony with like-minded people dissolves. Thus, any uprisings from a racially united group, only serves to create racial crimes through racial strife. In comparison to apartheid, I believe in separating the religions to where if I were to become an infidel or an apostate to my Christian religion--then I would consider myself to be a religious bigot. Btw, I do enjoy calling myself a segregated Christian in the majority. See, segregation can and often does take in varying elements of our culture, and as a Christian I am happy to be a part of the 75-85% of a majority here in America. So compare the uprising apartheid person to the infidel/apostate former Christian to your logic to clearly see that segregation is truly the only way to go.

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Doremus Jessup said:

I was gonna respond to the other post, but then you had to go "there". :doh :roll:
You might want to dump those "history" books you've read bcuz they are full of sh!t.

***You got something against history?


::EDIT:: I am beginning to think that this is all just a work, and that you are actually just playing some crazy stereotype character. :thinking

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ptsdkid said:

***You got something against history?


***Sure hope you're right. Perhaps you're beginning to agree that my happy/content segregationist lifestyle is finally starting to rub off on other more miserable people here.

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