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How Does One Become Liberal?

How does One become Liberal?

  • Influenced by liberal parents

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Born with too many pacifist genes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nested with parent into 30's, thus never paying taxes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lost self confidence watching televised war movies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Raised in socialist enviornment, i.e. Harvard Square, Cambridge

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Worked in Unions foregoing the chance to be independent and self motivating

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C-words like Constructive, Compassionate, Conservativism and Capitalism scared them

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Found more solace in paganism/sectarianism then in Jesus Christ

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • All of the Above

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Other....let me explain

    Votes: 14 53.8%

  • Total voters
    26
late to the debate but here is my two cents
the average moderate liberal just has a different view
the liberal left that has highjacked the Democratic party are ones who deal with ideals instead of reality
who deal with the theorectical and the way it could be, instead of how the world really is
which is all well and fine until you hamper our military with such nonsense
when you threaten our National Security, our economy by lofty flights of fancy instead of dealing with how life really works
how it has worked since the beginning of time
how barbaric the world is outside their safe little house/town/country
 
Re: I warned him...

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I see I get no love on Christmas...

...breeder. :mrgreen:

and Tashah gets double the love :lol:
 
Is Alaska even a state?

I see I get no love on Christmas...

...breeder. :mrgreen:


Billo told me stamps to Alaska way cost. So I bumped you, listed him, and drank the savings. (Don't worry, he's just on the list, not actually gonna send him a card, well, I was gonna, but I didn't buy enough beer the first time around, economics).

But look, there is suddenly room for one more...


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Like i need more ideas...

LOL! But where is Mr. Kotter? :lol:

I am pushing you too hard, next list I see will be your Hit List.
I know I know, I don't warrent such an honor as THAT.

Damn working hard at it though, ain't ya?
Tashah gets to feel the love twice!

I see you count as well as DeeJayH.

I'm sending over a tutor...

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Re: Like i need more ideas...

Damn working hard at it though, ain't ya?


I see you count as well as DeeJayH.

I'm sending over a tutor...

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I am hoping Google Cached will show you actually edited the pic ;)
after the fact to turn your mistake into our poor counting mistake
a common political tactic
 
uh-hum... and why am I not on the list teacher? :(

I don't sense many Liberals left on this thread...
 
uh-hum... and why am I not on the list teacher? :(

I don't sense many Liberals left on this thread...
No wonder look at the options on the poll,they are ridiculous.
What does liberalism have to do with socialism?
 
You forget?

uh-hum... and why am I not on the list teacher? :(

Remember that Santa that came down your chimney and made you the women you are? Yea, that was me, like I told you, swap the cookies and milk for bourban and wings next year. Ah, now you remember, don't you?

And you'd rather have a friggin card?

Remember when you said you felt so good you saw bright lights?

That was my polariod flash.

Pay up or I show the Mrs.
 
It is also a mess because the UN stood to preserve the regime as did our "friends" who benefitted from his status. If done right, Iraq would be fine.

Thats where we disagree.. This is also where our principles and opinions differ.
You think that because France and, Germany and hoardes of other countries disagree with the Iraq war, that they were wrong and support terrorism. I think that Bush retoric of "with us or against us is wrong".
I think the US were wrong to go to Iraq without a UN mandate for invasion. The US went to Iraq based on resolution 1441 even if they cooperated with inspections, and Hans Blix confirmed they had no WMDs, which later was confirmed by the US AFTER the invasion thus the whole reaosn for the war was illegitimate.
I think the only supporter of terrorism at the moment is the arab states, the US and the UK, because their actions is creating a breeding ground for hatred and terrorism.

The "War on Terror" is generational. The reformation in Lebanon and Palestine, the military and diplomatic efforts in northern Africa, the efforts in Indonesia, the political happenings in Saudi and Iran, and the international funding towards impoverished Muslim societies are all a part of this. It is not as freshmen as chase-down-bad-guy. How can something that is going to be ongoning be an "utter failure?"

It is generational, and you will see that terrorism will get much worse the next generations, there will be more terrorists, more terrorism and more severe attacks, and the reason IS the "war on terror". Thats why its an utter failure, the whole retoric is wrong as it is with Iraq.



Great. And when exactly was the Suadi royal family, Syrian Baathist Party, Saddam Regime, and the bitter mullahs in tehran going to allow us to roll in and start educating Muslims beyond the Qu'ran inspired rhetoric of daily life in the Middle East? Education is the key and it is simple. But education has to be allowed first.

Since Saddam went down and the prospect of a free Muslim nation versus the prospect of a terrorist based nation became a realization of its neighbors, these regimes have begun to soften (Iran being the exception, but our problems are Sunni, not Shi'ite). We are no where near a point where we can look back and declare what is and is not a "failure."

Whatver way possible, send in "information", let 3000 people die trying to inform the middle east population, I am sure you could get much greater results. Send flyers with information for 400 billion dollars. Start a western world arab news channel, give them our propaganda in all ways possible.

The war is a failure, there is no doubt about that, and it has proved that the US were wrong in going to war. It will lead to more terrorism and maybe even a major conflict in the middle east.
The mid east genocide on Shiites.
 
I find more and more that liberalism is the knee jerk reaction of people to war and poverty from watching 5 minutes of news footage. Once you begin to understand the true causes of human suffering you understand why liberalism only treats the symptom and not the disease.
 
I find more and more that liberalism is the knee jerk reaction of people to war and poverty from watching 5 minutes of news footage. Once you begin to understand the true causes of human suffering you understand why liberalism only treats the symptom and not the disease.

con·ser·va·tive Pronunciation (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Which means concervatives are the one who want to keep poverty and food aid.

lib·er·al Pronunciation (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

Which means liberals are the ones who want to find new solutions, without liberal people in society we would still be in the stone age.
 
I think the US were wrong to go to Iraq without a UN mandate for invasion.

And what exactly do you think the UN is? Are countries that are supposed to stand for human decency and freedom supposed to wait for permission from countries like Russia and China? The membership hurts the body. The UN has its uses, but it will never be a tool to topple brutality and evil. And brutality and evil on many levels is what infects Arab society (the breeding ground of today's terrorists).

How long is humanity supposed to wait for countries like France, China, or Russia to care about Sudan? Shouldn't somebody of power just do something? Or is it supposed to take a UN mandate?

We can all (most of us) agree that the UN is broken. It serves the needs of the tyrant, not humanity. When something is broken, it should be fixed. And humanity shouldn't have to wait on the dictators of the world to agree upon a good deed.

We need a new organization. One built around true democracies with a focus on human suffering.


It is generational, and you will see that terrorism will get much worse the next generations, there will be more terrorists, more terrorism and more severe attacks, and the reason IS the "war on terror". Thats why its an utter failure, the whole retoric is wrong as it is with Iraq.

You are wrong. And this is why....

It is true that we will see terrorism get worse, but it is because of the times we are living. This "War on Terror" faces an existing terror. There is a grave difference between the terrorist of the 90's-00's and the terrorists of the 70's and 80's. What Europeans fail to grasp - what they willfully refuse to face - is that the nature of terrorism has changed. The alphebet-soup terrorists of the past, the IRA, ETA, PLO, RAF, and others were essentially political organizations with political goals. No matter how brutal their actions or unrealistic their hopes, their common intent was to change a system of government, either to gain a people's independence or to force their ideology on society. But they were not willing to destroy society to gain this. The old school terrorists that Europe outlasted (and boast experience of facing) did not seek death. They were sometimes willing to die for their causes, but they much preferred living to watch their enemies fall. None were suicide bombers, although a few killed themselves in prison as a political statement. Crucially, their goals were of this earth.

Now we face terrorists who regard death as a promotion. They reject secular ideologies and believe themselves to be instruments of their god's will. They yearn to nudge their gods along, to pursuade him through their actions that a final struggle between faith and infidelity is at hand. While they would like to see certain changes in this world-the destruction of Israel, of the United States, of the West, of the unbelievers, heretics, and Muslims whose faith is imperfect-their longed for destination is a paradise beyond the grave.

The old terrorists were often so rabid that they had to be killed or imprisoned, but others became negotiating partners for governments. From Yasser Arafat to Gerry Adams, a handful gained international status. Of course, it's of note to mention that Gerry Adams became a part of the solution which is a far cry from the constant obstacle we saw with Yasser Arafat. These were men that could be reasoned with. Ironclad doctrines and formulaic rhetoric simultaneously satisfied the old-schooler terrorists emotionally and limited their practical effectiveness: when all was said and done, far more was said than done. For today's apocalyptic terrorists the existing system is evil. It cannot be reformed. It must be destroyed to make way for Allah's design. Negotiations are no more than a tool to be used in extreme situation to allow Islamic terrorists to love to kill again another day. The god haunted terrorists we face now will never become statesmen. They wish to merely shed our blood to fortify their faith, to impose their beliefs on a sinful world, to placate a vengeful diety.

Consider what we have seen from history. Nothing is more dangerous than attempts to perfect the world. Centuries of bloodshed through wars of religion. The tyranny of monks, mullahs, and preachers all sought to create utopias or to perfect civilizations according to their religious visions. The result has always been blood shed. And the holy land is stained crimson. But what occurred in the 20th century? The trend of societal perfection worsened. Humankind began to reject God for base superstitions, from nationalism to the class struggle. The industrial age convinced intellectuals that humanity could be reduced to an assembly line, a new twist on the ideal society. As this age reached its apogee, schemes to purify the world, to create perfect orders, whether in the name of a god emporer (Communism has been observed as a religious movement without a god although the Stalins and the Maos were happy to stand in for the vanquished dieties and be worshipped), racial purity, the workers of the world, or a cultural revolution killed more people through war and organized massacre than the worst preceding centuries of plague, famine, and war had managed to do. The cost of failure was hundreds of millions of corpses, from Germany to Cambodia.

In this new age of WMD religious fanatics returned from history's grave and they have brought a vengeful god forward. And given the dangers of our technology, they may wreak greater havoc and they will insist that their god looks down approvingly, that their deeds are righteous and blessed. They do not skyjack airplanes for political gain. They hijack them to crash them and murder. They do not kidnap for mere attention. They kidnap so they can video their beheadings (human sacrifice). They do not seek a peaceful co-existence. They seek the punishment of the successful for their own failed and unrealized visions. Failing cultures take even the maddest promises of utopia seriously-whether the lies have been told in the name of Karl Marx or God or Allah.

Europeans refuse to acknowledge the differences of our time. Doing so would require deep shifts in their philosophy and practice. The threat of Muslims extremists is far more insidious than any Europe has confronted in generations, but Europeans cannot bear the reality confronting them, so they curl into denial. It will take thousands-probably many thousands-of European deaths to convince the continent that it is not immune to the plague of Islamic terror. But even many Americans are failing to grasp this new enemy's intensity, his conviction, his blindness to all that contradicts his faith as well. Especially in the U.S. and Canada, our societies have become so humane that we cannot begin to comprehend the profoundly different mentality of our enemies. How many times have you heard that today's religious terrorists perform human sacrifice? Barely ever, because the thought is gruesome and plays with dramatics. But it is true. This is something anchient that we can't quite grasp, yet it is right in front of our very eyes. Consider the taped executions of the sinful. The human calf laid at the feet of the judges as they chanted to Allah and slit its throat. We may as well be watching an Aztec religious ceremony from the anchient. 9/11 wasn't an attack as much as it was an offering by it's faithful. Islamic terrorists are Aztecs without the art. They may call their god "Allah" but their deeds belong to the alters of antiquite. They are perfect representatives of the new age of superstition.

The failures and desperations of the Middle East have all been the result of their self-prescriptive culture and the west's willingness to turn away for "stability" at all costs. Europeans (and some Americans) insist, desperately, that terrorism remains a law enforcement problem, refusing even to consider that the entire West might face a broad, psychotic threat spawned by a failed civilization. But European police forces has had more difficulty coping with a few terrorists than the American government has had in reducing the domstic threat from global terrorist networks post 9/11. A crucial reason continental Europe reacted so angrily to our liberation of Iraq was that it made it harder for them to sustain their myth of a benign world in which "peace" could be purchased and that the right dictator will enforce favorable behavioral patterns. It will be some time before you Europeans forgive America's new view on the world, but terrorism will unite us again. Europe, not North America, is the vulnerable continent. Europeans feel less secure than Americans do. Our homeland security efforts, unfairly derided at home and abroad, have made America markedly safer. Our oceans also help. America will be struck again. But Europe is going to be struck again and again and again. The Madrid train bombings or the murder of a Dutch filmaker in the street by the light of day inspired more narcissism than intellectual rigor. History and present day circumstance prove that European citizens need us far more than we will ever need Europeans.

I'm sure you are aware of this, but not a single European state - not even the UK - has successfully integrated its Muslim minority into mainstream society. Some European countries are making attempts to correct this with new laws and policies, but is it too late? I believe it is. Especially when considering the extreme bigotry in inner city Marseilles or the Muslim suburbs of Paris. Then there's Berlin-Kreuzberg. There's the immigrant quarters in any major European city. What about the countless soul-killing Muslim ghettos? And, obviosly, there is the "socialist movement" which shuns religion. Europe, especialy France and Germany, are ticking time bombs.

And none of this started with freeing Iraqis and giving the Middle East it's only hope for reform. The "War on Terror" focuses on an existing and highly ignored escellating problem.





The war is a failure, there is no doubt about that, and it has proved that the US were wrong in going to war. It will lead to more terrorism and maybe even a major conflict in the middle east.
The mid east genocide on Shiites.

And giving Iraqis freedom caused this? It's not the 14 centuries of indoctrinated hate between the two coming down to the utter failure of a civilization and culture? It's a shame that Shi'ites and Sunni can't behave without the brutalities of a dictator isn't it? Partitioning the country is probably the decent humane answer. The dictator is not.
 
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con·ser·va·tive Pronunciation (kn-sûrv-tv)
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Which means concervatives are the one who want to keep poverty and food aid.

lib·er·al Pronunciation (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

Which means liberals are the ones who want to find new solutions, without liberal people in society we would still be in the stone age.

These are traditional definitions. They are not reality anymore. Liberals want to preach of utopia and claim the high rung on the morality ladder as Conservatives kindly looked away from the suffering for "stability." This was a silently agreed upon status that allowed us our illusions.

Welcome to the new world. Where Conservatives are facing the problems while Liberals still maintain a preachers "clean hands."
 
It's true, Jallman.
Whatever their shortcomings, liberals are your only hope; and mine.
Liberals can be unwittingly offensive in their judgements; the difference is, with liberals it usually is unwitting, unlike conservatives, whose offensiveness is often deliberate.
Liberals are also usually quick to apologize for their offensiveness, once it is brought to their attention; educated about how a particular derogatory term, epithet, or stereotype is objectionable, hurtful, unfair, or inaccurate, they are often quick to change their ways, as they do not like to think of themselves as being any of these things. Again, unlike conservatives, who often pride themselves on it.
Liberals in general, at least liberals of a certain class, are not overly enthusiastic about teen moms, at least in the abstract.
Thirtyish women with nearly grown children are not their favorites, either.
Their assessments, their preconceptions, their stereotypes about this sort of person can often border on condescending.
But nevertheless, my hope lies with them, not with conservatives who alternately place teen moms on a pedestal for selflessly "choosing life" and deride them for being ignorant sluts, welfare scum, and worthless burdens on society.
Liberals at least acknowledge that women are human, and equal, and deserve the same rights as anyone.
Conservatives don't, and the world is not safe for fence-sitters.
I choose to ally myself with the side that believes I'm human, even if they think I'm not the best, the most valuable, the most useful and worthwhile kind of human; not as good as, say, a woman who has her first child through IVF at age 45.
You might find this too, eventually.
You need allies- we all do- and as objectionable as liberals might be, they are the ones who believe you as a gay man are human, equal, and deserving of the same rights as everybody else. Not conservatives.
And if you tell liberals they've offended you, they'll more than likely be sorry. And if you explain to them how, specifically, they have offended you, they will more than likely take steps to avoid doing so in the future, and insist that everyone else avoid it, too... thus further outraging conservatives, who abhor anything that smacks of "political correctness".
Well you can never be so sure on what people think just from being liberal or conservative.
The assumption would be "yes..liberals a very tolerant of gay people", but there are examples in society where this is not the case.
Fred Phelps, the whacked out "GOD HATES FAGS!" protesting idiot is a registered Democrat and votes for liberal candidates who oppose the whole gay marriage thing.
Also, I remember having an English teacher who was young and heavily proclaimed that people should have tolerance of gay people and people with gender non-conformity.
However, he never stopped short of calling things "gay" and at one point when me and another student were personally talking to him he referred to this one public figure as a "fag".
Huge amount of hypocrisy there.
 
The UN. My friend, your friend, snappy dresser...

Thats where we disagree.. This is also where our principles and opinions differ.

Ah, the UN. Back to the logic. Not sure, but isn't the UN suposed to be for peace on Earth, good will towards men, dogs and cats living in peace, and a bunch of guys in blue berets (don't get me started) with big nets chasing Billo around trying to make him wear pants? So Max, can I call you Max? Imagine a nation, let's call it Freedonia, and the US ever-loving President CICoW.boy stands up and says, "it is the goal of the US to drive all Freedonians into the sea. (Which, personally, is just fine by me, as it is a well known fact Freedonians are fat, and France lies between Freedonia and the ocean, and maybe some mimes will get trampled in the process). They wear white shoes after labor day, and that we can't have. Death to Freedonia". Wouldn't the UN, and the world, come out of thier genuine imitation leather Lederhosen stampeding each other to get to a micraphone to denounce the US? Pah, who cares, not a problem anyway cause the UN sends Hans Blix over to Freedonia with his crack investigator, Mr. Magoo, who can't see anyone wearing white shoes in October, the Freedonians give thier UN ambassador, friggin Garza, a bag full of cash and some Pez coupons, he finds the UN bribe liason, Koffe Annon's son, and things would get smoothed over quick like. World opinion denounces the US as imperialist religious fanatics. THAT works. Ring a bell Max? Tie it together. Principles? Apply them equally all around sport and maybe you wont get smacked. The UN is a United States shake down orginization.

The mid east genocide on Shiites.

Saddam did a a good idea or two.
 
teacher
Remember that Santa that came down your chimney and made you the women you are? Yea, that was me, like I told you, swap the cookies and milk for bourban and wings next year. Ah, now you remember, don't you?

And you'd rather have a friggin card?

Remember when you said you felt so good you saw bright lights?

That was my polariod flash.

Pay up or I show the Mrs.

I brought Silly-Monkey up from the Basement for a night...
I got a wierd vibe from you last year when you reached for the cat.
 
(Sighs...)

I keep telling you morons to ignore and not reply to me or I'll turn your own words against you. Do you unwashed masses ever learn?

I am hoping Google Cached will show you actually edited the pic ;)
after the fact to turn your mistake into our poor counting mistake
a common political tactic

You know Dee (can I call you Dee?) I was e-mailing Count von Count about how to deal with your...counting, and he sent me a attachment for you from his webcam files...

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now being as I, teacher, of the colossal brain, am a compassionate Warden, I was actually sparing you from running to your weeping closet, where your Mom will once again have to lure you out with K-Y smeared produce. But you HAD to go there. So yea, you busted me editing. Feel better?
 
First one must love America, and its constitution.

Then one gathers information about the goals of the NeoCon Radicals.

Then after studying and analyzing the NeoCon Radicals, One identifies what the destructive practices and behaviors of the NeoCons are.

Then one does the opposite.[/COLOR] One chooses constructive goals and behavior to support America. One fights to protect democracy and support the constitution.
 
Im out of this thread.. not interested in smack talk or talking about each others bladder or penises or whatever you guys are talking about now..


this thread should be moved to the basement. :2wave:
 
First one must love America, and its constitution.

Then one gathers information about the goals of the NeoCon Radicals.

Then after studying and analyzing the NeoCon Radicals, One identifies what the destructive practices and behaviors of the NeoCons are.

Then one does the opposite.[/COLOR] One chooses constructive goals and behavior to support America. One fights to protect democracy and support the constitution.


<siZE=3774+color=retarded > ONE LEANRS TO USE TAGS </fds>>
 
Posted by Maximus Zeebra
Im out of this thread.. not interested in smack talk or talking about each others bladder or penises or whatever you guys are talking about now..
this thread should be moved to the basement.

English is a problem for you, isn't it? That is fine. French is tough for me. But nowhere has any person mentioned bladders or penises until you did. You are the pervert, and the whiner.
 
Re: How Does One Become a stinking Liberal?

HOW DOES ONE BECOME A STINKING LIBERAL?

As a Liberal human being goes through life, one is exposed to thousands of piles of stinking poop left in the road by conservatives, and Neo Cons.
Conservative and neocon poop, make it hard to see the real road, and to know the real truth. The smell and poopy litter cause one to falter, trip and fall into the Conservative and neocon piles of poop.

Then one is an official Stinking Liberal until they can get to the shower.
 
Re: How Does One Become a stinking Liberal?

HOW DOES ONE BECOME A STINKING LIBERAL?

As a Liberal human being goes through life, one is exposed to thousands of piles of stinking poop left in the road by conservatives, and Neo Cons.
Conservative and neocon poop, make it hard to see the real road, and to know the real truth. The smell and poopy litter cause one to falter, trip and fall into the Conservative and neocon piles of poop.

Then one is an official Stinking Liberal until they can get to the shower.


***Good thing I put a 'OTHER' option in the poll. You could have broken it down by saying that you're just plain clueless when it comes to politics.
 
Re: How Does One Become a stinking Liberal?

***Good thing I put a 'OTHER' option in the poll. You could have broken it down by saying that you're just plain clueless when it comes to politics.
Of course you could say that, and I would expect you to say such things. I would be disapointed if you said some thing else.

We all know what you stand for. Heck you support Bush. What else do I have to say?
 
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