Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame And Liberal Media Bias

Billo_Really · Sep 14, 2006

Originally posted by aquapub:
1) Conspicuously missing from this "ratting out" though is any indication that Cheney ever received Wilson's non-existent "report" or ever heard of the guy being involved before he began hurling lies at him.

2) Yes, the CIA didn't get the idea to "investigate" the Niger incident, which actually ended up proving that Saddam HAD actually sought uranium from there BTW, from Plame, but the top priority unpaid booby assignment was placed on toilet inspector, (NOT Iraqi Ambassador) Joe Wilson directly because of his wife's advocacy-another thing he lied through his teeth about in his narcissistic fantasy book.

3) Apparently you missed the intro.

I'll respond to item #1. The other two are just ridiculous.

U.S. Press Bigwigs Screw Up, Again
By Robert Parry September 14, 2006

A month before Wilson’s Iraq-Niger Op-Ed article appeared in the New York Times on July 6, 2003, Vice President Dick Cheney already was anticipating possible trouble from the former ambassador whose trip to Africa had helped disprove the bogus claims that Iraq was seeking yellowcake uranium ore from Niger.

So, Cheney’s chief of staff Lewis Libby requested a report on Wilson from Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, a neoconservative ally. In violation of the strict rules against jeopardizing the covert identity of CIA officers, Grossman’s report, dated June 10, 2003, tossed in a reference to “Valerie Plame” as Wilson’s wife.

CIA Director George Tenet also divulged to Cheney that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA and had a hand in arranging Wilson’s trip to Niger – information that Cheney then passed on to Libby in a conversation on June 12, 2003, according to Libby’s notes as described by lawyers in the case. [NYT, Oct. 25, 2005]

Those two facts – Plame’s work for the CIA and her minor role in Wilson’s Niger trip (which was approved and arranged at higher levels of the CIA) – were transformed into attack points against Wilson, to suggest nepotism and to question Wilson’s manhood.

On June 23, 2003, still two weeks before Wilson’s article, Libby briefed New York Times reporter Judith Miller about Wilson and, according to a later retrospective by the Times, may then have passed on the tip that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA.

The anti-Wilson campaign gained new urgency when the ex-ambassador penned his Op-Ed article for the New York Times on July 6, 2003.

As Cheney read Wilson’s article, “What I Didn’t Find in Africa,” the Vice President scribbled down questions he wanted pursued. “Have they [CIA officials] done this sort of thing before?” Cheney wrote. “Send an Amb[assador] to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket?”

Though Cheney did not write down Plame’s name, his questions indicated that he was aware that she worked for the CIA and was in a position (dealing with WMD issues) to have a hand in her husband’s assignment to check out the Niger reports. [Cheney’s notations were disclosed in a May 12, 2006, court filing by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.]

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/091406.html

Trajan Octavian Titus · Sep 14, 2006

Billo_Really said:
Maybe you should write a book about the logic you use in debates and the pragmatic way you unleash it on the masses.

Call it, "Lamegate!"

First of all if I were pragmaic in war I would have ended this war long ago; secondly life is valuable therefor I support the Democratic Peace Theory.

Billo_Really · Sep 14, 2006

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
First of all if I were pragmaic in war I would have ended this war long ago; secondly life is valuable therefor I support the Democratic Peace Theory.

Took you long enough to answer.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Sep 14, 2006

Billo_Really said:
Took you long enough to answer.

errrrrrrrrr .. . . I've got an appointment for officers school tomorrow, how's unemployment? The state gave ME $7,000 this semester and I only have to pay half of it back and the interest doesn't start on that half till I graduate.

I've lived on my own for 3 years and haven't worked in 2 1/2. lol

Billo_Really · Sep 14, 2006

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
errrrrrrrrr .. . . I've got an appointment for officers school tomorrow, how's unemployment? The state gave ME $7,000 this semester and I only have to pay half of it back and the interest doesn't start on that half till I graduate.

I've lived on my own for 3 years and haven't worked in 2 1/2. lol

I'm still employed. I have to make less than $20,000 for me to qualify for school grants. My rent alone is $20k/yr. So it's not an option for me.

By all means, get your degree. Just remember one thing, everyone graduating from college still has to be TRAINED!

I don't need to be trained. I can start producing from my first day on the job.

Trajan Octavian Titus · Sep 15, 2006

Billo_Really said:
I'm still employed. I have to make less than $20,000 for me to qualify for school grants. My rent alone is $20k[/yr. So it's not an option for me.

Fellow student who recieves federal grants just like me . . . where does your anger come from?

By all means, get your degree. Just remember one thing, everyone graduating from college still has to be TRAINED!

What is your major mine is I/R.

I don't need to be trained. I can start producing from my first day on the job.

Well I've been training for ...........

Billo_Really · Sep 15, 2006

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Fellow student who recieves federal grants just like me . . . where does your anger come from?

I'm not in school anymore. Haven't been since 1987. I make about $50k a year at my job. I like what I do.

As far as my anger, it comes and goes.

Billo_Really · Sep 15, 2006

Originally posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
What is your major mine is I/R.

My major was Architecture. Although I haven't worked for an Architect since 1976. I've been doing electrical engineering for the last 30 years.

aquapub · Sep 19, 2006

aquapub said:
1) Conspicuously missing from this "ratting out" though is any indication that Cheney ever received Wilson's non-existent "report" or ever heard of the guy being involved before he began hurling lies at him.

2) Yes, the CIA didn't get the idea to "investigate" the Niger incident, which actually ended up proving that Saddam HAD actually sought uranium from there BTW, from Plame, but the top priority unpaid booby assignment was placed on toilet inspector, (NOT Iraqi Ambassador) Joe Wilson directly because of his wife's advocacy-another thing he lied through his teeth about in his narcissistic fantasy book.

3) Apparently you missed the intro.

Billo_Really said:
I'll respond to item #1. The other two are just ridiculous.

Once again, we visit your problem. You responded with a far left web site. So what? That proves nothing. This would be why you never have credibility on this site. You don't get your news from legitimate sources.

You instead parrot lame fanatics.

Find me a source that ISN'T run by the freaking DNC and your conspiracy theories might be taken more seriously.

And #2 and 3 are straightforward. Nothing "ridiculous" about them. It is a FACT that Joe Wilson was never an Iraqi Ambassador. He was a toilet inspector, and he lied through his teeth.

#3 leads you to a list of things Wilson provably lied about. Nothing "ridiculous" about facts and evidence...unless you are a liberal (i.e., hysterical conspiracy theorist).

Billo_Really · Sep 19, 2006

Originally posted by aquapub:
Once again, we visit your problem. You responded with a far left web site. So what? That proves nothing. This would be why you never have credibility on this site. You don't get your news from legitimate sources.

You instead parrot lame fanatics.

The web site has nothing to do with whether the assertions are true of false. Do you have any evidence to show that contradicts what I have shown? Or do you just want to ad hom your way about?

Billo_Really · Sep 19, 2006

Originally posted by aquapub:
And #2 and 3 are straightforward. Nothing "ridiculous" about them. It is a FACT that Joe Wilson was never an Iraqi Ambassador. He was a toilet inspector, and he lied through his teeth.

What did he lie about?

Billo_Really · Sep 19, 2006

Originally posted by aquapub:
#3 leads you to a list of things Wilson provably lied about. Nothing "ridiculous" about facts and evidence...unless you are a liberal (i.e., hysterical conspiracy theorist).

Nothing hysterical about the fact that Rove shopped around her name and someone at the White House gave that name to Novak. He didn't just pull it out of thin air.

aquapub · Sep 20, 2006

Billo_Really said:
Nothing hysterical about the fact that Rove shopped around her name and someone at the White House gave that name to Novak. He didn't just pull it out of thin air.

Dick Armitage is the one who released her name. He admits that. The article you based these arguments on lied even in its opening, when it acted like the right was conspiring to make it look like Armitage...failing to acknowledge that HE HIMSELF admitted it!

THAT'S how full of crap your sources are!

When Rove LATER discussed Plame's identity, it was to refute a series of outrageous lies Joe Wilson was smearing the president with.

Quit trying to stir up outrage over a liar getting corrected.

aquapub · Sep 20, 2006

Billo_Really said:
The web site has nothing to do with whether the assertions are true of false. Do you have any evidence to show that contradicts what I have shown? Or do you just want to ad hom your way about?

Read the intro. It dispells all this garbage.

aquapub · Sep 20, 2006

Billo_Really said:
What did he lie about?

Again, it's all listed in the intro.

Simon W. Moon · Sep 24, 2006

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
So are you saying that the entire DOCEX release is invalid?

Umm no not at all.
Did you read what I wrote? Your reply doesn't refelct it if you did.

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
I'd say that as a member of the 9-11 Commission Bob Kerrey is in a far more valid position to comment on the collaborative relation between AQ and Iraq than say for example YOU!

I entirely agree. That's why I rely on the say so of th eUS Intel Community.
Your assertion about me v Mr. Kerrey is spurious at best and moronic, and faulty logic in the least.

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Anyways you were a big backer of Wilson and the Plamegate story in an attempt to bring down this administration. How's that one working out for you?

Everything's grand. You have, unsurprisingly and yet again decided that I said and thought things other than what I have written.

teacher · Sep 25, 2006

Read my sig. Put an anti-semite on ignore.

No such thing as media bias IMO.

aquapub · Sep 25, 2006

teacher said:
No such thing as media bias.

A gargantuan amount of evidence says otherwise.

Here is some I have compiled from a variety of sources and posted every time one of you people tries to deny this unmistakably obvious conflict of interest...this list includes which Democrat operative worked for which Democrat politician before being trusted to disseminate legitimate news:

NBC Tim Russert-Governor Mario Cuomo (D), Senator Pat Moynihan (D).

CNN Jeff Greenfield-Senator Bobby Kennedy (D), Mayor John Lindsay (D).

MSNBC Chris Matthews-President Jimmy Carter (D), House Speaker Tip O'Neil (D).

NBC Ken Bode-Presidential candidate Morris Udall (D).

PBS Bill Moyers-President L.B. Johnson (D).

NBC Brian Williams-President Jimmy Carter (D).

ABC Rick Underforth-President Carter (D), President Clinton (D), and a handful of Senators, all (D).

PBS Elizabeth Brackett-Mayoral candidate Bill Singer (D), Brackett was also HERSELF a candidate (D).

NBC Jane Pauley worked on the state Democratic Committee of Indiana (D).

ABC Pierre Salinger-President Kennedy (D), he also WAS a senator from California (D).

CBS Lesley Stahl-Mayor John Lindsay (D)

New Yorker Ken Auletta-Mayor John Lindsay (D)

New York Times David Shipley-President Bill Clinton (D).

New York Times Leslie Gelb-Presidents Johnson (D) and Clinton (D).

New York Times Magazine, Atlantic Monthly, New Yorker, American Prospect James Fallows-President Jimmy Carter (D).

CNN, Los Angeles Times Tom Johnson-President Johnson (D).

Washington Post, CBS, NBC, Walter Pincus-Senator J.W. Fulbright (D), Pincus’s wife was also a Clinton appointee.

New York Times Jack Rosenthal-Presidents Kennedy (D) and Johnson (D).

USA Today John Seigenthaler-President Kennedy (D).

New Yorker Sidney Blumenthal-President Clinton (D).

U.S. News and World Report Donald Baer-President Clinton (D).

Nightline, New York Times Carolyn Curiel-President Clinton (D).

NBC Thomas Ross-President Clinton (D).

Nightline Tara Sonenshine-President Clinton (D).

TIME Strobe Talbott-President Clinton (D).

Here is one of Ann Coulter's favorites to point out: Dee Dee Myers, worked for Bill Clinton (D) and then got hired by "evil conservative" Roger Ailes.

THEN, there are the media figures who are sons, daughters and spouses of prominent Democrats:

ABC-Chris Cuomo

E!-Eleanor Mondale

ABC-Cokie Roberts

Newsweek-Evan Thomas, who is the grandson of one of America’s most notorious Communists. Comrade Evan has been caught manipulating the news to protect Senator Bob Kerrey (D), and President Clinton (D)-he buried the Monica Lewinsky story for weeks until Matt Drudge finally forced it into the spotlight.

All of this, and he is still the editor of Newsweek.

And Maria Shriver, of NBC, is the niece of ultra-liberal, Teddy Kennedy, but, in all fairness, THIS one is also married to a pseudo-Republican, Governor Swarzenneger.

-The New York Times (and none of the other major papers that I can find thus far) have endorsed a single Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower.

-What about all the studies done by respectable, non-partisan groups proving a huge liberal tilt among reporters, anchors, news directors and producers?

-What about the multitude of unexplainable examples I have provided like: Dan Rather calling a leak about Bill Clinton's indictment "well-orchestrated" and "Republican backed," only to find out the next day that a liberal judge appointed by Jimmy Carter ADMITTEDLY, ACCIDENTALLY leaked the information? Where do you suppose Dan got his bad information? It sure as hell wasn't from research. He made it up....because he is a liberal.