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Originally Posted by 128shot We are not the only 2 scholars in the world that believe this. The belief is becoming more wide spread among many circles. The Koran teaches peace, as expressed in this http://www.cair-net.org/html/911statements.html (oh look at that, a different source!)
This is just one sample of articles on that site written by very knowledgable people against violence that these extremist terrorists preach.
As for Mohammed being "not humane" I still disagree. He may have commited those assassins, however, he also didn't rape and pillage Mecca like most armies would have during that period. time and time again it seems that Mohammed prefered the diplomatic solution over war with his enemies. When he took mecca he did not kill many, and he only smashed the alter in the temple of Haas (I think the names correct). This was AFTER the Meccans decided to attack Mohammed even though they made a peace treaty with him. So it was clearly provoked violence and he still didn't rape and pillage.
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128shot,
Just a few points here.
I do not dispute that there are many Muslims who interpret Islam in a more moderate fashion. To me, they are the future of Islam, the ones that hopefully will lead Islam into a more tolerant and less agressive state. Salman Rushdie, Fareed Zakaria & Ibn Warraq are just those kind of moderates.
I was merely trying to point out the danger in continually citing one disputed book as your major source. I wasn't aware that you were a scholar either.
On a similar line, I don't discount that Mohammed did some wonderful things in his life. How many assassinations does it take before you concede the flaws of his character?
Let's look at it another way.
What if the 10 Commandments went as follows?
1. "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. Thou shalt have no other gods besides Me... .."
2. "Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigourously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate"
3. "Thou shalt not murder"
4. "When you meet the unbelievers, strike off their heads; then when you have made wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives"
etc. etc.
Can you see where they might be a WIDE opportunity for violent extremist interpretation?
Take it to the next step. Let's say that these new commandments were not just religious in nature,
but the law itself, as is the the case in many of the 53 Muslim states.
Again, when there are so many examples of a call to violence against your enemy, as the Qu'ran dicates, it's a natural outcome to have the number of terrorist groups in the world that currently exist.
These are the terrorist groups that the United States knows of and moniters as of 2004.
Note: This is only A-F in a large list.
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Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Aleph
see Aum Shinrikyo (Aum)
al-Aqsa Martyrs Battalion
see Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Ansar Al-Islam (AI)
Ansar al-Sunnah Partisans of Islam
see Ansar Al-Islam (AI)
Arab Revolutionary Brigades
see Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Armed Islamic Group
Army of Mohammed
see Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
Army of the Pure
see Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)
Army of the Pure and Righteous
see Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)
Army of the Righteous
see Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)
Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Shinrikyo (Aum)
Aum Supreme Truth (Aum)
see Aum Shinrikyo (Aum)
Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia
see Al-Qaida
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Batasuna
see Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Black September
see Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Communist Party of Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
Continuity Army Council
see Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA)
Dev Sol
see Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
Devrimci Sol
see Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
see Al-Jihad
EIJ
see Al-Jihad
ELA
see Revolutionary Nuclei
Ellalan Force
see The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
Epanastatiki Organosi 17 Noemvri
see 17 November
Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna
see Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Fatah Revolutionary Council
see Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Freedom and Democracy Congress of Kurdistan
see Kongra-Gel (KGK)
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http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm
My point in listing these is that these groups are certainly not the face of Moderate Islam, but they can make a very strong claim that they are interpretting their faith in a way that is true to the Qu'ran.