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This is what demagoguery gets you.

The $64,000 question (showing my age) is....

Why is this idiot not locked up right now?

What he said is a crime in itself.

TIN FOIL HAT ANSWER: He is a Clinton plant put there to say things like this, therefore he gets a pass.

AS AN ASIDE: Has anyone though about taking stock in Reynolds Aluminum this election year? You might "make a killing" (pun of the week)
 
How so very Trumpesque of you.
Not really that all you left open to say so i said it for you.

The tone your so conerned about is coming from the left and the media but im sure thats something your not interested in discussing.

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What exactly do you think that's data . . . showing?

Wingnuts believe Trump's reckless and baseless allegations. I quoted the findings - if you're confused the links to the source are there.

Right, 'coz no one on the losing side ever came up with that idea before, without Trump's prompting:

NBC?s Hypocrisy on ?Rigged? Presidential Elections | MRCTV

OK, I see, the standard of behavior for a future POTUS is that of a left wing flame thrower (Keith Olbermann) on a f'ing cable news network. Got it. So if the GOP nominee for POTUS doesn't say anything nuttier than, say, Glenn Beck, ehhhh, whatever... :roll:

That's called lowering the bar for POTUS behavior all the way to the floor.

The really scary thing about Trump is how he's already normalized behavior for POTUS to his old job of reality TV star.
 
OK, but that's a narrow comparison that pretty much ignores the point of the OP, almost all the discussion on the thread, and the IMO danger of what Trump is doing, which is effectively telling millions of his flock that if Hillary wins her win is illegitimate and stolen, not to mention that who will be the then POTUS should in fact be in jail.
Trump is entitled to his opinion and he does have evidence to back it up. I know its unpopular to talk about but the truth is that the media has not been impartial and now it appears that O'Keefe has video evidence of the dems posing as violent trump supporters. If that turns out to be true than it takes the thunder out of the OP, no?

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Trump is entitled to his opinion and he does have evidence to back it up. I know its unpopular to talk about but the truth is that the media has not been impartial and now it appears that O'Keefe has video evidence of the dems posing as violent trump supporters. If that turns out to be true than it takes the thunder out of the OP, no?

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No, he has absolutely zero evidence that the election is 'rigged'.

He's trying to redefine “rigged” away from ballot-stuffing and the like and on to the terrain of media bias.

It's what all cowards and bullies do when they know they can't win.
 
Wingnuts believe Trump's reckless and baseless allegations. I quoted the findings - if you're confused the links to the source are there.

Wingnuts believe what wingnuts believe.

OK, I see, the standard of behavior for a future POTUS is that of a left wing flame thrower (Keith Olbermann) on a f'ing cable news network. Got it. So if the GOP nominee for POTUS doesn't say anything nuttier than, say, Glenn Beck, ehhhh, whatever... :roll:

No, that is not what I said. At this point, you are either deliberately misreading me, or you are simply impaired.



We've never had a POTUS nominee in history telling his supporters the election will be rigged, he'll jail his opponent, her lawyers and presumably some staff,

And we've never had a POTUS nominee in history who was under criminal investigation and then let off under questionable circumstances, during the campaign.
 
The $64,000 question (showing my age) is....

Why is this idiot not locked up right now?

What he said is a crime in itself.

TIN FOIL HAT ANSWER: He is a Clinton plant put there to say things like this, therefore he gets a pass.

AS AN ASIDE: Has anyone though about taking stock in Reynolds Aluminum this election year? You might "make a killing" (pun of the week)

I know the SS generally doesn't like it's investigations into these things publicized - they believe making a big deal encourages more kooks to come out of hiding. Seems obvious he's been visited by the SS or the police or both, but unless he's publicly charged I doubt we hear much, if anything, except from people close to that moron.
 
[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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Pure trash..befitting of a Trump supporter
 
[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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He going to be talking to men in black really soon, hope he enjoyed his ten seconds of fame.
 
Wingnuts believe what wingnuts believe.

And the candidate has a LOT of influence on what they believe. You've not once just acknowledged that Trump should be held to a higher standard.

No, that is not what I said. At this point, you are either deliberately misreading me, or you are simply impaired.

I cited some data on how Trump's (he is the GOP nominee for POTUS, you know) reckless rhetoric has influenced his followers. You followed up with a story about Keith Olbermann which is either 1) an obvious straw man or 2) a comparison that indicates at least some equivalency in your mind between a flame thrower on cable news and a POTUS nominee.

I apologize if your response was just another of a long line of your straw men in this discussion! :roll:

And we've never had a POTUS nominee in history who was under criminal investigation and then let off under questionable circumstances, during the campaign.

What does that have to do with allegations that the election will be rigged? Or, frankly, his promises to jail her - that's tinpot dictator stuff.
 
And the candidate has a LOT of influence on what they believe. You've not once just acknowledged that Trump should be held to a higher standard.



I cited some data on how Trump's (he is the GOP nominee for POTUS, you know) reckless rhetoric has influenced his followers. You followed up with a story about Keith Olbermann which is either 1) an obvious straw man or 2) a comparison that indicates at least some equivalency in your mind between a flame thrower on cable news and a POTUS nominee.

I apologize if your response was just another of a long line of your straw men in this discussion! :roll:



What does that have to do with allegations that the election will be rigged? Or, frankly, his promises to jail her - that's tinpot dictator stuff.

Strawmen? This entire post is full of nothing but strawmen.

Like I said - is it deliberate, or incompetent?

Seriously, learn to read.
 
Trump is entitled to his opinion and he does have evidence to back it up. I know its unpopular to talk about but the truth is that the media has not been impartial and now it appears that O'Keefe has video evidence of the dems posing as violent trump supporters. If that turns out to be true than it takes the thunder out of the OP, no?

I watched most of the video and what it purports to show (with O'Keefe, who knows since he has a long history of dishonest editing) are democratic shills put in the crowds to bait Trump supporters into violent reactions to them. They're posing (if anything) as liberals.

And, no, he has no evidence, NONE, zilch, nada, nothing indicating a rigged vote, or a rigged election. Or, if he has it, make it public, be specific, explain his concerns in detail, down to the state, county precinct. Otherwise, reckless and baseless charges have no business coming out of the mouth of a POTUS nominee. That's what the old Trump, the celebrity actor, could do - now he wants a different job in which what he says matters, all over the globe.

Nor does he have a reasonable expectation of what he'd consider "unbiased" reporting on his campaign. You can complain, boycott, whatever whoever you want in the so-called MSM who you don't think have been fair, but the "press" has a long, long, long history of taking sides in political campaigns - Fox News does it every day, so does Rush, Hannity, Levine, Savage, NRO, Heritage Foundation, Breitbart.com, et al. It's the job of the candidate to get the press behind him, not the duty of the press to report on a nutcase with perfect impartiality and objectivity.
 
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It has all happened already, and I am not talking about directly harming anyone. I am talking about majority and minority opinion on some issue.

What I am saying is we see time and time again that our present political system is designed around the idea of obtaining a majority in some regard as a means to ensure control of governance and/or ensure an outcome for some subject.

In terms of this discussion and that OP video specifically, what the result ends up being is some fringe individual or group that ends up angry with governance.

No matter if we agree with that guy or not (and most of us don't including me) the issue before us is dealing with the idea of rebelling against a government that one may not agree with and calling it "patriotism." While we should of course not encourage the behavior and expression that guy is going with, we also should not encourage the demagoguery that probably aided his conclusions. It does not matter if one leans left or right, the idea of appealing to emotions and prejudices is inherently manipulative. In that sense it does not matter if Trump is speaking poorly of some minority or even women generally speaking, or if Hillary is referring to a sizable portion of Trump's supporters as "deplorables"... we should reject that rhetoric from either one. The outcome of that rhetoric is predictable, it happens to be anger. We see it every single day with this campaign season. Trump and Hillary both are dividers, neither one can ever claim to be about unity in any context. Trump and Hillary both are both about appealing to emotion, and that is again manipulative.

You matter if you agree with Hillary or agree with Trump in what they are saying, you are engaging in the same intentional divisiveness based largely on emotion. And by extension that usually means belittling the opposition.

Be my guest to join them in that rhetoric, but that does absolutely nothing to deal with the fall out. Namely the guy in that video claiming (indirectly I guess) that removing Hillary by force is an example of patriotism. Odds are, just another Trump supporter mouthing off. But we are foolish to ignore what got us to this point of literally referring to our opposition as targets. Inciting violence is never something to take lightly, neither is suggesting it because of some political position.

My comments have nothing to do with BLM, and is not about empathy for or criticism of them.

Sorry, my post may have come off the wrong way. I wasn't trying to criticize your statement, i was just trying to understand it.

I think part of the reason that a subset of BLM supporters are excessively severe is that they feel like their qualms are being marginalized, and i'm inclined to sympathize with that general idea, though i condemn all of their violence.

You are right that we have a majority control but we also have protections for minorities that the majority would, at times, seek to ignore. Such is the case with Guantanamo Bay, for example, or Trump's statements with regards to Islamic immigrants.

I guess i think the dirty little secret is that we do trample on minorities when it suits us.

And i completely disagree with the implied equivocation between Trump's "maybe second amendment supporters can do something" versus Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comments. Hillary was characterizing their beliefs, how Trump wooed them with xenophobia and racism. Trump was implying that second amendment supporters should commit murder. Not the same thing.

I also wonder about appeals to emotion. They are not necessarily fallacies... Policies impact our lives and those impacts evoke emotions. That doesn't mean we should always ignore our emotions. Being made aware of our emotions doesn't qualify as manipulation.
 
Strawmen? This entire post is full of nothing but strawmen.

Like I said - is it deliberate, or incompetent?

Seriously, learn to read.

LOL, I can read. I was pointing to data that showed the effect of Trump's allegations. You replied with this:

Right, 'coz no one on the losing side ever came up with that idea before, without Trump's prompting:

NBC?s Hypocrisy on ?Rigged? Presidential Elections | MRCTV

I obviously never made the bolded claim, so it's a straw man right off the bat. My claim is no POTUS candidate in the history of the country has been that reckless, and that what he says matters, his followers believe him, the data show it has affected opinions. And I have no idea what the heck Keith Olbermann making after the fact claims has to do with Trump or anything else in this discussion. It sure had nothing to do with my claims on this thread.

Just go pull the lever for your man. It's fine. Hopefully he'll lose and we won't have any significant political unrest or other problems resulting from reckless and inflammatory rhetoric from the POTUS nominee on the GOP side.
 
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Did you seriously not know that ?

"Inspectors General from the State Department and the intelligence community referred the case to the Executive Branch in July 2015. The referral memo made clear that the Inspectors General were not suggesting that anyone involved in Clinton’s email setup committed a crime. Rather, they were following their statutory obligation to inform the intelligence community about any potential security breach — namely, that Clinton possibly held classified information on her email server located outside secure government facilities."

What we know about the FBI?s investigation into Hillary Clinton?s emails | PolitiFact
 
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[h=1]A Trump Supporter Said Hillary 'Needs to Be Taken Out'[/h]
Donald Trump's rhetoric has consequences. In a week where the Republican candidate is ramping up his line about the upcoming election being "rigged," a supporter at one of his rallies was caught on video insinuating that Hillary Clinton should be assassinated in order to prevent her taking office—or to remove her from it. The Wall Street Journal spoke to a man named Dan Bowman at a recent Trump event, and, after he agreed to take off his Trump mask, Bowman happily described how Clinton "needs to be taken out" and that, if necessary, he's willing to be the "patriot" who does just that.

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Why should I pay attention to a plant from the Clinton Campaign?
 
LOL, I can read. I was pointing to data that showed the effect of Trump's allegations. You replied with this:



I obviously never made the bolded claim, so it's a straw man right off the bat. My claim is no POTUS candidate in the history of the country has been that reckless, and that what he says matters, his followers believe him, the data show it has affected opinions. And I have no idea what the heck Keith Olbermann making after the fact claims has to do with Trump or anything else in this discussion. It sure had nothing to do with my claims on this thread.

Just go pull the lever for your man. It's fine. Hopefully he'll lose and we won't have any significant political unrest or other problems resulting from reckless and inflammatory rhetoric from the POTUS nominee on the GOP side.

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Proof positive you're not even coming close to reading what I'm saying or attempting to understand it. I said, in this thread, that he's a spectaculalrly bad candidate, historically bad. But that doesn't matter; you see what you want to see and ignore what you don't.

I'll leave you to that.
 
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Proof positive you're not even coming close to reading what I'm saying or attempting to understand it. I said, in this thread, that he's a spectaculalrly bad candidate, historically bad. But that doesn't matter; you see what you want to see and ignore what you don't.

I'll leave you to that.

If you think he's such a terrible candidate, why are you making excuses for his rhetoric that set the stage for kooks like this to think they have some duty to assassinate political opponents ?
 
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