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Clinton announces ‘National Service Reserve’ for millennials

apdst said:
That sight says nothing about post storm reconstruction.

Post-Katrina Cleanup Yields Benefits for Workers : NPR
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I didn't say anything about reconstruction, with the possible exception of reenforcing dangerous structures, but rather post-storm cleanup, which it said.

As for the other part, I really don't care if people who volunteer to do things are taking work from private, paid companies. That is like complaining about people who volunteer to watch each other's children as a way for them to save money, which would also take money from private business. It is like complaining about people mowing their own grass, doing their own maintenance, basically being self sufficient, because that too steals work from private industries.


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Abbazorkzog said:
Clinton announces ‘National Service Reserve’ for millennials

So, not only has she doubled-down on her generalization that all millennials are "uninformed children living in their parents' basements", now she thinks they should participate in mandatory servitude to the government.

Trump is officially the lesser of two evils in this election.

She must be stopped!

This is the ultimate boot-stomp on the face of the Youth of the Nation, and the movement Bernie galvanized. She's basically saying, "you lost, now submit!"

Utterly ****ing terrifying.
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No. It's voluntary. And I'm all for it. It's opportunity where there may not be much for kids coming out of school.
 
MrPeanut said:
This sounds fantastic! I'm all for a volunteer two year community service-style plan. Particularly if it helps kids pay for college. By the way, those quotes aren't quoting something she said.
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Sound like she is planning to draft all the malcontents and send them out for "additional training"...
 
chuckiechan said:
Sound like she is planning to draft all the malcontents and send them out for "additional training"...
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Good God how paranoid are you? Its VOLUNTARY.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Even Hitler, of all people, realized that helping others is a good thing.
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Right - he helped two out of three European Jews into ovens ...

(From where, ever, do these people come? The bowels of the earth?)
 
roguenuke said:
I didn't say anything about reconstruction, with the possible exception of reenforcing dangerous structures, but rather post-storm cleanup, which it said.

As for the other part, I really don't care if people who volunteer to do things are taking work from private, paid companies. That is like complaining about people who volunteer to watch each other's children as a way for them to save money, which would also take money from private business. It is like complaining about people mowing their own grass, doing their own maintenance, basically being self sufficient, because that too steals work from private industries.


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You said cleanup and fixing buildings.
 
apdst said:
You said cleanup and fixing buildings.
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As in shoring up buildings that haven't fallen, but could be hazardous until they can actually be repaired. Which is some of what they do, disaster work, cleanup, basically helping out right after until the place is safe for those like contractors, etc.

And it still doesn't change the fact that your premise is one that makes no sense. It essentially asserts that volunteering is wrong to encourage during times such as disasters because such things take jobs away from private companies.


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poweRob said:
No. It's voluntary. And I'm all for it. It's opportunity where there may not be much for kids coming out of school.
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I admit I was a little pissed off at Hillary's militant perversion of Bernie's tuition-free college idea and let out some hyperbole. I don't think this is what Bernie had in mind.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I admit I was a little pissed off at Hillary's militant perversion of Bernie's tuition-free college idea and let out some hyperbole. I don't think this is what Bernie had in mind.
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I've always been for this. Where when you leave high school, you do public service for x amount of years and then you go to college tuition free. Then there's a chance to establish a work ethic before you start going to college to get drunk for four years. It's usually conservatives that are for mandatory military service for kids to "teach them a lesson" hard parenting thing. Israel does this but I don't think we need this. Not all are cut out for military service. I think something as broad as community service will allow kids to volunteer for something that fits them.

Military service was great for me and it taught me so much about basically growing up and taking care of yourself and working well within a team. I think a lot of what I learned could be instituted into a community service program. Work with a team, take care of yourself as your own person. There's definitely some great things that could come of this for such a kid but also for those they are serving in the community... meeting needs.
 
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poweRob said:
I've always been for this. Where when you leave high school, you do public service for x amount of years and then you go to college tuition free. Then there's a chance to establish a work ethic before you start going to college to get drunk for four years.
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Then leave it to the local and state governments with financial assistance from the federal government, instead of it being something directly from the President him or herself.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Even Hitler, of all people, realized that helping others is a good thing.
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Right, particularly all those Jews, as well as Slavs (e.g. Russians, Poles, Ukrainians and Serbs), Romanis (gypsies), LGBT people (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender); the mentally or physically disabled; Soviet POWs, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Spanish Republicans, Freemasons, people of color. (From here: Holocaust Victims) ...
 
poweRob said:
I've always been for this. Where when you leave high school, you do public service for x amount of years and then you go to college tuition free. Then there's a chance to establish a work ethic before you start going to college to get drunk for four years.
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That's a DAMN FINE IDEA! (Wish I'd thought of it!)

It matures the person, and "almost real-life situations" helps prepare them for a successful transit through postsecondary education. The number of childish young-adults I get in my EC101 classes never ceases to amaze me.

Five stars ***** to you!

PS: You should "flesh out" that idea and put it up on the forum as a separate thread!
 
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roguenuke said:
As for the other part, I really don't care if people who volunteer to do things are taking work from private, paid companies.
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Yes, the may or may not be "taking work" - but that reaction is tunnel-vision. So what?

There's not enough to go around? What counts is that the work gets done, and if it is of a nature that the elderly can do it, then why not. (You seem to forget that those retired were once the people who's taxed-income paid for your primary and secondary schooling!)

Come to Europe, see how the cities are well kept, the rubbish picked-up, the streets swept. And only in the burbs are some places showing "for rent" signs because of the economic downturn. (I live way off in the boonies of rural farmland France, and the village is kept immaculate.)

Also, many of those who are retired are living off of a less than standard retirement stipend. They should be allowed minimum-wage compensation for "real jobs" that they are able to perform. It is a matter of only two questions: (1) Do they need the money (what is their retirement income), and (2) do they have the competence for whatever public-work would hire them?
 
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poweRob said:
No. It's voluntary. And I'm all for it. It's opportunity where there may not be much for kids coming out of school.
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So many fine ideas now all thrown into the trash-bin.

Whilst we endure four more years of the Dork.

Good luck , America ...
 
Lafayette said:
That's a DAMN FINE IDEA! (Wish I'd thought of it!)

It matures the person, and "almost real-life situations" helps prepare them for a successful transit through postsecondary education. The number of childish young-adults I get in my EC101 classes never ceases to amaze me.

Five stars ***** to you!

PS: You should "flesh out" that idea and put it up on the forum as a separate thread!
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Thank you. It's not a new idea. I think Nader used to preach it a bit back.
 
poweRob said:
Thank you. It's not a new idea. I think Nader used to preach it a bit back.
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It need not be old to be good. Or latest to be bad. (We've just proved that once again in this last election.)

The hard part always has been to get such ideas into the mainstream.

The newest gadget and it's gone in seconds, but ideas ...
 
Lafayette said:
Yes, the may or may not be "taking work" - but that reaction is tunnel-vision. So what?

There's not enough to go around? What counts is that the work gets done, and if it is of a nature that the elderly can do it, then why not. (You seem to forget that those retired were once the people who's taxed-income paid for your primary and secondary schooling!)

Come to Europe, see how the cities are well kept, the rubbish picked-up, the streets swept. And only in the burbs are some places showing "for rent" signs because of the economic downturn. (I live way off in the boonies of rural farmland France, and the village is kept immaculate.)

Also, many of those who are retired are living off of a less than standard retirement stipend. They should be allowed minimum-wage compensation for "real jobs" that they are able to perform. It is a matter of only two questions: (1) Do they need the money (what is their retirement income), and (2) do they have the competence for whatever public-work would hire them?
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What does this have to do with this discussion exactly? Last I looked we didnt generally hire older people to do disaster cleanup or the other type of volunteer jobs that this would have been about. They should be free to volunteer for such things and maybe even get paid for them with medical care supplements or living supplements instead of college tuition, but it doesn't change the fact that the program described by the thread would not be a bad idea. Many such as myself have been advocating for a long time that people should have to do a certain amount of civil service to qualify for certain privileges or benefits, sort of a military like program that accepts everyone and finds some place for everyone.


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Why is this even needed anyway? No one has yet explain that.
 
My Stepdad worked in a couple of FDR's programs before he got drafted into WW2. They made a huge difference.

So if somebody wants to bring them back, they've got my vote, for what little it's worth.
 
roguenuke said:
What does this have to do with this discussion exactly? Last I looked we didnt generally hire older people to do disaster cleanup or the other type of volunteer jobs that this would have been about.
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We don't, and so what? They are perfectly capable of doing many sorts of work, aside from standing all day stuffing your food into paper bags at a supermarket.

roguenuke said:
They should be free to volunteer for such things and maybe even get paid for them with medical care supplements or living supplements instead of college tuition, but it doesn't change the fact that the program described by the thread would not be a bad idea.
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Never said it was, dearie.

That happens when you scroll a thread and not an "exchange" just between two individuals.

roguenuke said:
Many such as myself have been advocating for a long time that people should have to do a certain amount of civil service to qualify for certain privileges or benefits, sort of a military like program that accepts everyone and finds some place for everyone.
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And I agree entirely. I wish that was happening in France, but here that is done more by "volunteer organizations", because retirement pensions are sufficiently adequate. (And, believe me, if there is something the French think is worth bitching about, I'd have heard it.)

I've looked for stats that depict the situation for the elderly across nations, but can't seem to find one adequate. So, I really don't know which countries are ranked better. I do know, however, one important element for the elderly is HealthCare and the US is absolutely the worst. Which is a dichotomy that should not exist.

T most costly HealthCare systems in the world (because it is privatized) is prohibitively expensive to most of the people who might use it - meaning the lower your life-time income the less you life-span expectancy:
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Does it seem "fair" to you that women at the bottom (of household income) live ten-years less than women at the top as indicated in the infographic above? (Ditto for the men, but different life-spans.)

So, yes, it would be more "just and equitable" were that life-span differential not happening - and it does not happen in a HC-system that is universal in coverage and run by the government. That I do know ...
 
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Here is the EuroMonitor's "Preston Curve" (2012) showing the international distribution of Life-expectancy against Income for developed countries:
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What does that infographic tell us? As usual:
*Life expectancy (at birth) is highly dependent upon national income levels.
*But the US is below par!

Now, ask yourself why. My explanation: Because in most of those "other developed countries", they have National Health Systems run by governments (and certainly not private-insurance companies) ...

Source: EuroMonitor, "Economic Growth and Life Expectancy – Do Wealthier Countries Live Longer?"
 
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Lafayette said:
Right, particularly all those Jews, as well as Slavs (e.g. Russians, Poles, Ukrainians and Serbs), Romanis (gypsies), LGBT people (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender); the mentally or physically disabled; Soviet POWs, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Spanish Republicans, Freemasons, people of color. (From here: Holocaust Victims) ...
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:applaud
 
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