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Why the Dems are terrified of Carly [W:136]

I am generally in the political center.
Left on some issues, Right on others. (open to critique from either side on that)

If I had to pick one from last night... Fiorina 'won', with Rubio a close second.
I still like Trump's no nonsense stand on Immigration and Trade.

I like Fiorina's intellectuality compared to Trump's, but I'm not sure she won't be a "GOP Jimmy Carter."
I want to hear more from CF before casting any ballot. But probably better than Hillary in any case.
 
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Conservatives need to stop thinking that Democrats are "afraid" of certain politicians. You all said the same thing about Hermain Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. I just don't understand the right-wing determination to believe that members of the Democratic party are constantly in fear of the next candidate.

Carly Fiorina ran not one but two companies into the ground. She's an awful businesswoman. Trump and Mitt Romney have stellar business credentials compared to her. She's only in this race because she's a woman.

I don't understand this perpetual application of "fear" to members of the Democratic Party. If there's a candidate liberals "fear" they'll tell you. When Donna Brazille announced during the New Hampshire debate in 2011 that Mitt Romney was among the weakest candidates that Republicans could field she was telling the Republican Party something.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but these accusations of "fear" are really groundless. There's a real tone-deafness coming from conservatives.
 
As if its the icing on the cake-today Hillary was asked the question that Carly said she would ask her if presented with the opportunity-what is your biggest achievement as SOS?

Wolf Blitzer asked this today and Hillary couldn't answer it. :lol:
 
I disagree with most of what she says, but she says it very, very well. She kicked ass.
 
US Conservative said:


Imagine when she unleashes on them!
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After hearing what liberal, democratic supporter Mika Brzezinski said this morning about Fiorina on Morning Joe, the Dems have to be terrified:



For those of you who just couldn't bring yourself to watch the clip, it's those last 10 words from Mika that hammer it home:

"My God, I have never seen anyone like her... Ever."

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Grim17 said:
After hearing what liberal, democratic supporter Mika Brzezinski said this morning about Fiorina on Morning Joe, the Dems have to be terrified:



For those of you who just couldn't bring yourself to watch the clip, it's those last 10 words from Mika that hammer it home:

"My God, I have never seen anyone like her... Ever."

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Im not even hearing lefties say she did poorly last night.

Its because she obviously rocked.
 
reinoe said:
Conservatives need to stop thinking that Democrats are "afraid" of certain politicians. You all said the same thing about Hermain Cain, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum. I just don't understand the right-wing determination to believe that members of the Democratic party are constantly in fear of the next candidate.

Carly Fiorina ran not one but two companies into the ground. She's an awful businesswoman. Trump and Mitt Romney have stellar business credentials compared to her. She's only in this race because she's a woman.

I don't understand this perpetual application of "fear" to members of the Democratic Party. If there's a candidate liberals "fear" they'll tell you. When Donna Brazille announced during the New Hampshire debate in 2011 that Mitt Romney was among the weakest candidates that Republicans could field she was telling the Republican Party something.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but these accusations of "fear" are really groundless. There's a real tone-deafness coming from conservatives.
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I think the vitriol that emanates from the left belies that assumption. They are definitely "afraid."
 
Grim17 said:
After hearing what liberal, democratic supporter Mika Brzezinski said this morning about Fiorina on Morning Joe, the Dems have to be terrified:



For those of you who just couldn't bring yourself to watch the clip, it's those last 10 words from Mika that hammer it home:

"My God, I have never seen anyone like her... Ever."

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I have seen her and the last thing I am is fearful of her. I know she's a saleswoman and she talked a great game until HP's board fired her. The layoffs instituted under her tenure, were historic for HP and her record, not so hot:

HP's revenue doubled due to mergers with Compaq and other companies,[66][67] and the rate of patent filings increased.[67] According to reports, the company underperformed by a number of metrics: there were no gains in HP's net income despite a 70% gain in net income of the S&P 500 over this period;[66] the company's debt rose from US$4.25 billion to US$6.75 billion;[66] and stock price fell by 50%, exceeding declines in the S&P 500 Information Technology Sector index and the NASDAQ.[66][68] In contrast, stock prices for IBM and Dell respectively fell 27.5% and 3% during this time.[68] The Compaq acquisition, was not as transformative as Fiorina and the board envisioned; in the merger proxy, they forecasted that the PC division of the merged entities would generate an operating margin of 3.0% in 2003, while the actual figure was 0.1% in that year and 0.9% in 2004.[11]
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Buh bye, Carly. he street agreed with the board's move:
The company's stock jumped on news of her departure, adding almost three billion dollars to the value of HP in a single day.[79][80]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina#Hewlett-Packard_.28HP.29


As for Lucent, after she was named president in charge of marketing and sales of their service-provider business in 1997:
That year, Fiorina chaired a US$2.5 billion joint venture between Lucent's consumer communications and Royal Philips Electronics, under the name Philips Consumer Communications (PCC).[22][23] Focus of the venture was to bring both companies to the top three in technology, distribution, and brand recognition.[24]

Ultimately, the project struggled and dissolved a year later after it garnered only 2% market share in mobile phones. Losses were at $500 million on sales of $2.5 billion.[24] As a result of the failed joint venture, Philips announced the closure of one-quarter of the company's 230 factories worldwide,[25] and Lucent closed down its wireless handset portion of the venture.[22] Analysts suggested that the joint venture's failure was be a combination technology and management problems.[22] Upon the end of the join venture, PCC sent 5,000 employees back to Philips, many of which were laid off, and 8,400 employees back to Lucent.[22]

On the surface, Fiorina seemed to add 22,000 jobs & revenues grew from US$19 billion to US$38 billion. [26][15] However, the real cause of Lucent spurring sales under Fiorina was by lending money to their own customers. According to Fortune magazine, "In a neat bit of accounting magic, money from the loans began to appear on Lucent’s income statement as new revenue while the dicey debt got stashed on its balance sheet as an allegedly solid asset".[26] Lucent's stock price grew 10-fold.[26]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucent
She left in July of 1999 and Lucent experienced their income bubble bursting and it was all down hill, while others in the market were still very profitable.

That is not a stellar record.

She's a smooth as they come, but she's nothing to be afraid of. Maybe she'll consider updating and running new version of this campaign ad. Up to 2:20, it's the usual. From 2:21 to 2:57. :)

 
Jack Hays said:
She has become a formidable contender.
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Democrats are not only not terrified by Carly, but we welcome the opportunity to take her on.

Carly lied outright about Planned Parenthood. She said she personally saw the video and then went on and described what was not in the video. So, either we have a potential candidate who sees things that aren't there or one that is outright lying. She also claimed to have increased HP sales. Yes, by taking over Compaq.

This is from today's Ny Times editorial:
Carly Fiorina said: “What I would do, immediately, is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet, I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland, I would conduct regular, aggressive military exercises in the Baltic States. I’d probably send a few thousand more troops into Germany. Vladimir Putin would get the message.”

We get the message, and it’s scary.
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Not only that but how much money will rebuilding the sixth fleet, additional missiles in Poland, etc cost? Why does she want to re-build the 6th Fleet? The Joint Chiefs say they don't need it. All three of the last presidents reduced the number of Navy ships for good reason, they aren't needed. There is something wrong with a candidate that decides to spend a lot of public money for things that aren't necessary.

My view of her persona is that she is mean and nasty and it comes through the veneer. What she says just proves she isn't qualified.
 
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betuadollar said:
I think the vitriol that emanates from the left belies that assumption. They are definitely "afraid."
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Wiggen said:
I'm terrified of Trump.
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Lean Slightly Liberal

Like I said. They'll tell you who they're afraid of. If you think that liberals are afraid of Fiorina and she gets the nomination based on people thinking liberals are afraid of her then you'd better get ready for another shellacking.
 
reinoe said:
Conservatives need to stop thinking that Democrats are "afraid" of certain politicians....
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They should, but they won't. ;)

It's a rhetorical flourish, indicating support for a candidate and/or a representation of their electability.

In terms of electability, let's start with positions.
• strongly pro-life
• against marriage equality
• favors national educational standards combined with local control
• pro-gun
• repeal ACA, but (surprise!) has no substitute plan
• apparently wants to start another Cold War with Russia
• position on immigration is not quite clear
• opposes mandatory paid maternity/parental leave
• no details on tax plans; not much recognition that the loopholes she wants to close are perceived as beneficial for working/middle class (EITC, mortgage deduction)
• no position on Social Security, Medicare

I.e. for what she has articulated to date, it's mostly standard conservative / Republican positions. << yawn >> Not exactly a huge threat in that respect.

Thus, we shift to what I regard as the mistaken attempt to use secondary qualities to determine electability and/or leadership abilities. In those respects: She bombed in her last Senate run; it's hardly a triumph to handle Trump reasonably well; her record at HP is spotty. She's a decent debater, but it takes a lot more than that to win a national election. Many pundits and observers regard her as yet another in a long line of flash-in-the-pan candidates -- not quite inside enough to win over the establishment, yet not outside enough either to capture the current populist fever wracking the Republican base.

No one is quaking in their boots because of Ms Fiorina. That won't stop partisans from using that line anyway. Ah well...
 
MTAtech said:
Democrats are not only not terrified by Carly, but we welcome the opportunity to take her on.

Carly lied outright about Planned Parenthood. She said she personally saw the video and then went on and described what was not in the video. So, either we have a potential candidate who sees things that aren't there or one that is outright lying. She also claimed to have increased HP sales. Yes, by taking over Compaq.

This is from today's Ny Times editorial:
Not only that but how much money will rebuilding the sixth fleet, additional missiles in Poland, etc cost? Why does she want to re-build the 6th Fleet? The Joint Chiefs say they don't need it. All three of the last presidents reduced the number of Navy ships for good reason, they aren't needed. There is something wrong with a candidate that decides to spend a lot of public money for things that aren't necessary.

My view of her persona is that she is mean and nasty and it comes through the veneer. What she says just proves she isn't qualified.
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I doubt your vote was ever within her reach anyway. Your hostility confirms my view that she's among those who are right for the job.
 
Jack Hays said:
I doubt your vote was ever within her reach anyway. Your hostility confirms my view that she's among those who are right for the job.
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The thread is about Democrats being terrified by Carly, who wouldn't be getting many Dem votes. My hostility is towards a candidate that seems to make up her own reality and have policy positions that don't seem to make sense. That's what every voter should feel towards a candidate who uses sneaky language to present a context that is misleading or false.

The fact that Carly said that 'she saw the Planned Parenthood video with her own eyes' and then went off and described what was not contained in the video, calls into question honesty or lucidity. Her description of a live fetus on an operating table was utterly false and fabricated.

Her obfuscation about her career also calls into question her honesty. Fiorina claims she is a Horacio Alger story, going from secretary to CEO. However, she was a secretary while home during the summers while attending Stanford University, as a temp from the Kelly Girl agency. If summer jobs count as one's career start, mine started as a grounds keeper, because that's what I did one summer while attending college. I am sure every CEO had a low-level job as a kid. Sorry, that doesn't count.

Fiorina's tenure and success at HP is also exaggerated. As others previously said, the only way that she claims growth at HP was what she didn't say -- HP merged with rival Compaq, making it a bigger total company.

Out of the blue Fiorina at the debate talked about her plan to expand the military, as if the U.S. military, that outspends nearly every country combined, is too small.

What I am reading from the GOP side of the table, is that they are eager to latch onto someone who can be articulate, like Fiorina, because the rest of their crop are obviously unqualified and they're willing to overlook Fiorina's misleading misrepresentations in the process.
 
I am not a Democrat...

...but my guess is that if there is any fear among Democrats who watched that debate...

...it is the fear of getting too confident just because the people in contention are such losers.

Never good to be too confident.

In the meantime, if that group could not control THEMSELVES and their pettiness any better than they did...

...why would anyone want to hand them an office as important as the presidency?

The notion that the Dems are in fear of any of the people on that stage...is fantasy of an epic degree.
 
MTAtech said:
The thread is about Democrats being terrified by Carly, who wouldn't be getting many Dem votes. My hostility is towards a candidate that seems to make up her own reality and have policy positions that don't seem to make sense. That's what every voter should feel towards a candidate who uses sneaky language to present a context that is misleading or false.

The fact that Carly said that 'she saw the Planned Parenthood video with her own eyes' and then went off and described what was not contained in the video, calls into question honesty or lucidity. Her description of a live fetus on an operating table was utterly false and fabricated.

Her obfuscation about her career also calls into question her honesty. Fiorina claims she is a Horacio Alger story, going from secretary to CEO. However, she was a secretary while home during the summers while attending Stanford University, as a temp from the Kelly Girl agency. If summer jobs count as one's career start, mine started as a grounds keeper, because that's what I did one summer while attending college. I am sure every CEO had a low-level job as a kid. Sorry, that doesn't count.

Fiorina's tenure and success at HP is also exaggerated. As others previously said, the only way that she claims growth at HP was what she didn't say -- HP merged with rival Compaq, making it a bigger total company.

Out of the blue Fiorina at the debate talked about her plan to expand the military, as if the U.S. military, that outspends nearly every country combined, is too small.

What I am reading from the GOP side of the table, is that they are eager to latch onto someone who can be articulate, like Fiorina, because the rest of their crop are obviously unqualified and they're willing to overlook Fiorina's misleading misrepresentations in the process.
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Sorry, but there was nothing she described that wasn't in the video.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but there was nothing she described that wasn't in the video.
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...nds-her-comments-on-planned-parenthood-video/

“Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain,” she said on Wednesday.
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That video shows a still image of a fetus being held outside the womb, but not of a fetus squirming, as she describes. There was also no indication that the fetus shown was about to have its brain removed.
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MTAtech said:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...nds-her-comments-on-planned-parenthood-video/
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"As for Fiorina’s quote, she is likely referring to the entirety of the 10 videos, including the seventh video released by the Center for Medical Progress. Watch the full video for yourself. It does, in fact, show a fully formed fetus, heart beating and legs kicking. And it shows this while Holly O’Donnell, a former organ harvester who worked for StemExpress at a Planned Parenthood affiliate, graphically discuss the harvesting of a brain from a baby whose heart was beating."

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- See more at: Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes


Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood ...

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NewsBusters.org


2 days ago - Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes ... who are still defending Planned Parenthood have watched those tapes.” ... out at the time that the stock price dropped more than 50 percent on ...
 
Jack Hays said:
"As for Fiorina’s quote, she is likely referring to the entirety of the 10 videos, including the seventh video released by the Center for Medical Progress. Watch the full video for yourself. It does, in fact, show a fully formed fetus, heart beating and legs kicking. And it shows this while Holly O’Donnell, a former organ harvester who worked for StemExpress at a Planned Parenthood affiliate, graphically discuss the harvesting of a brain from a baby whose heart was beating."

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- See more at: Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes


Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood ...

newsbusters.org/.../carly-fiorina-nails-stephanopoulos-pl...


NewsBusters.org


2 days ago - Carly Fiorina Nails Stephanopoulos on Planned Parenthood: Watch the Tapes ... who are still defending Planned Parenthood have watched those tapes.” ... out at the time that the stock price dropped more than 50 percent on ...
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Glad you decided to put an end to that BS.....JH. :2wave: Moreover she was dead on with BO not ever seeing the Tapes as well as most Democrats.

Now I don't know if All Democrats are afraid of her.....but we do know of one that is. Which that one just happens to be the Hope and Dream of the left and is running for President.

Carly has called Hillary out for the Debate over the War on Women. Hillary keeps ducking and dodging. Running away, avoiding. Coming up with every lame excuse, in the book to avoid a direct debate with Carly.

So that's where it's at.....and not even the Illiberals can change that reality.
 
Some more perspective on her time at HP. Other than the lefts basic talking points about her and HP.



Why Fiorina Failed....

Businessweek has an interesting take to offer on the reason for Carly Fiorina's unsuccessful tenure at H-P, and it suggests that while sexism was a factor, it wasn't sexism Fiorina encountered after she got the job that did her in, but that she labored under during her rise to the top.

No one ever doubted that Fiorina was a master saleswoman. She read the company's "HP Way" five times, nailed solutions to what ailed the outfit, and knew how to put the pieces in place before anyone knew what the pieces were. She was a charming, funny, lightning-quick study. She had one problem, though. Her background pretty much started and ended with marketing and sales. In fact, she may have been too much of a marketer for her own good, with her silver-tongued sales pitches winning the company more plaudits than it deserved.....snip~

Foreign Dispatches: Why Fiorina Failed
 
MMC said:
Some more perspective on her time at HP. Other than the lefts basic talking points about her and HP.



Why Fiorina Failed....

Businessweek has an interesting take to offer on the reason for Carly Fiorina's unsuccessful tenure at H-P, and it suggests that while sexism was a factor, it wasn't sexism Fiorina encountered after she got the job that did her in, but that she labored under during her rise to the top.

No one ever doubted that Fiorina was a master saleswoman. She read the company's "HP Way" five times, nailed solutions to what ailed the outfit, and knew how to put the pieces in place before anyone knew what the pieces were. She was a charming, funny, lightning-quick study. She had one problem, though. Her background pretty much started and ended with marketing and sales. In fact, she may have been too much of a marketer for her own good, with her silver-tongued sales pitches winning the company more plaudits than it deserved.....snip~

Foreign Dispatches: Why Fiorina Failed
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And after the changes she made were implemented, they were proven to be the correct ones! :thumbs: Yes, there were layoffs at the time, but she saved thousands of other workers' jobs by her actions.
 
betuadollar said:
I think the vitriol that emanates from the left belies that assumption. They are definitely "afraid."
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Well previously Hillary had a corner on the gender issue.

Carly has taken that away.

I have always said that Carly needs to be on the GOP ticket somewhere.

Now finally all of you all are agreeing with me suddenly.

:)
 
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