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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What Sander's has stated in speeches is not much different that Pelosi or Hilary have stated. I have stated in other threads if they really believe the "rich" should pay more, then there is nothing stopping them from writing a check to the US Treasury and pay what they believe is a fair share. Of course they won't. They use the tax code to their benefit.

    Unless an IRS audit shows they messed up in the filings, they have done nothing wrong.
    Relying on good will and charity obviously doesn't work because people default to being inherently selfish, and the truly altruistic are rare. If we didn't require the power of statutory compulsion to get people to do things that are societally necessary or beneficial we wouldn't need laws, and we could live in anarchy without devolving to a state akin to Somalia. Consequently, if you believe the rich collectively should pay more because the balance is skewed too much in their favour, you have to legislate that belief; writing in a tax donation and expecting others to do the same does not achieve that goal.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Extremely rich. Bernie Sander's central message is that the super rich do not pay their share and get off easy while the poor and middle class suffer. I hate to break it to Sander's supporters but Sanders benefits as much as the millionaires for "tax breaks for the wealthy."

    Many liberals talk about Republicans not following "conservative values." Bernie does not follow liberal values. He's just as bought, if not more, than Hillary and the rest.
    While I am no fan of Sanders, 200K is no where near being super rich, in fact in some northeastern states that might be considered a living wage.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Relying on good will and charity obviously doesn't work because people default to being inherently selfish, and the truly altruistic are rare. If we didn't require the power of statutory compulsion to get people to do things that are societally necessary or beneficial we wouldn't need laws, and we could live in anarchy without devolving to a state akin to Somalia. Consequently, if you believe the rich collectively should pay more because the balance is skewed too much in their favour, you have to legislate that belief; writing in a tax donation and expecting others to do the same does not achieve that goal.
    I don't believe the "rich" should pay more. I agree that if people want change , then get Congress to change the tax code.

    You do realize the "rich" pay the majority of taxes now. I could see reform in corporate tax.

    In the end, what you posted is a pass for the likes of Pelosi, Sanders and Hilary. They talk a great deal of the "rich" paying more. Yet they don't have the courage to lead my example.

    If we reform the tax code, I hope we also reform the entitlement programs.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I don't believe the "rich" should pay more. I agree that if people want change , then get Congress to change the tax code.

    You do realize the "rich" pay the majority of taxes now. I could see reform in corporate tax.

    In the end, what you posted is a pass for the likes of Pelosi, Sanders and Hilary. They talk a great deal of the "rich" paying more. Yet they don't have the courage to lead my example.

    If we reform the tax code, I hope we also reform the entitlement programs.
    I realize the rich pay the majority of taxes.

    I also realize that the rich extract a disproportionate amount of benefit from the economy vs the typical person.

    Beyond that, real wage stagnation and declines for the poor and middle class, combined with a lack of compelled monetary circulation from the rich who spend much less of their money as a % of income/wealth is generally unsustainable in the long run. Maintaining velocity of money/circulation is vital to an economy. That said, this is a different argument for a different thread.


    The point is that 'leading by example' in this case accomplishes nothing and is personally injurious, i.e. it's entirely futile, so it's unreasonable to expect any politician, rich or otherwise, to submit large voluntary tax donations in the name of increasing tax rates on the wealthy. Bernie's commitment to his principles is well demonstrated in his systemic refusal to take corporate money; it is something that advances his goals while being personally injurious.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    I realize the rich pay the majority of taxes.

    I also realize that the rich extract a disproportionate amount of benefit from the economy vs the typical person.

    Beyond that, real wage stagnation and declines for the poor and middle class, combined with a lack of compelled monetary circulation from the rich who spend much less of their money as a % of income/wealth is generally unsustainable in the long run. Maintaining velocity of money/circulation is vital to an economy. That said, this is a different argument for a different thread.


    The point is that 'leading by example' in this case accomplishes nothing and is personally injurious, i.e. it's entirely futile, so it's unreasonable to expect any politician, rich or otherwise, to submit large voluntary tax donations in the name of increasing tax rates on the wealthy. Bernie's commitment to his principles is well demonstrated in his systemic refusal to take corporate money; it is something that advances his goals while being personally injurious.
    That is all fine. One reason I don't think Sanders is a hypocrite. He has his views as other politicians have theirs.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    While I am no fan of Sanders, 200K is no where near being super rich, in fact in some northeastern states that might be considered a living wage.
    A household income of $200,000 puts you roughly in the top 5% of this country.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    If the rule is so unfair and hurting the little guy then why is Bernie taking advantage of it? He is directly making it worse for the lower classes. I certainly understand the difference between the two but it's still hypocritical. Well unless you are of the belief that people can only be good when forced to by the govt.
    I've never heard Sanders call itemized deductions "unfair" or something that hurts the little guy.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    A household income of $200,000 puts you roughly in the top 5% of this country.
    Really? How sad.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders: Tax hypocrite

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Really? How sad.
    No **** huh?

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