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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    Some will, some won't. I doubt it will be enough to cost her the 2016 general (It could be, but it's unlikely).

    The point that I'm making here is that New Democrats (Clinton-era Center-Right Democrats) are on borrowed time. They may take the 2016 nomination, but the demographics are shifting against the New Democrats and a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters like myself are not willing to compromise with the establishment on this. We may vote for Hillary in 2016, but that will come coupled with a plan to crush the New Democrat oligarchy. Youth are going to take back the Democratic party and forcibly remove the Clintonite establishment from power, and that's the war that I'm referencing.



    Yes, the battle will take a decade or two --as I say in the OP.



    It became popular in no small part due to Millennials. Another lesson that was taught to Millennials is that you have to dig your feet it in and push hard for something.



    No one thought that, including Sanders himself. With Clinton being the likely nominee, there's no need to even discuss the white flag. They're just walking right up to the door, with her arms open wide to them.



    If there's one thing that the Sanders candidacy taught me, it's how these two statements are necessarily related. The Clintonite Democratic establishment will not let go of the Democratic party willingly. It will need to be done with media wars and political battles.
    Not compromising might be the "new democrats" downfall. First thing millennials need to learn is that they're not going to get everything they want no matter how much they stomp their little feet and holler.

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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I would agree that Democrats are depending upon the support of various minority groups, women, typical left leaning voters, and a few Independents. Even when all of those goals from the various groups can appear adversarial on paper, they is still more room for common ground than the real complications of staying home and allowing "extreme enemy, the Republicans" to win out. Especially to someone like anti-Establishment Trump. That is somewhat backed up by how the 112th - 114th Congresses have worked out, with the last one especially putting Obama's plans for anything left leaning in goals entirely on the back burner.

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    The caveat to that is considering someone like Trump gaining so much support that the "left" decides to delay their pending internal war and gather together just enough to ensure 2016 gives Hillary the win. If for no other reason than to prevent a lunatic from running the nation, so they will settle for a political insider with questionable intentions and ethics in Hillary knowing that by 2020 their situation will probably not be all that improved anyway.
    The problem with that is that I'd prefer Trump over Hillary simply because he's anti-establishment and not a team player. I'm not the only one. I'd even go so far as to say that if it weren't for Bernie entering this race and inspiring the Bernie or Bust pledge, Trump may have had my vote. And, if FieldTheorist's theory of Kasich becoming a brokered nominee has any water, even Bernie's write-in vote would come into jeopardy. The republicans have a real chance in this election, and it's because enough of the millennial left hates the establishment more than they hate republicans to utterly destroy the youth vote for Hillary.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    War? Where in hell did that come from? Am I hearing a "vote for our guy or we'll take our marbles and go home" kind of thing? Would social liberals actually take a chance for not just one, but the potential of three SCOTUS nominees coming from one of the jingle asses running on the republican side? Are y'all insane?
    That's exactly the problem, and all indications to this point show it very strongly. Hillary does not have the youth vote, and without the youth vote, she's not taking the white house. She's doomed, as is, very likely, the liberal view on the supreme court should Sanders lose the nomination.
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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Not compromising might be the "new democrats" downfall. First thing millennials need to learn is that they're not going to get everything they want no matter how much they stomp their little feet and holler.
    The first thing they need to learn is that they have no power unless they as a group get their asses to the polls and make their presence known. The older generations have proven consistently that they are willing to screw over the young to get more unearned candy.
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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    When did Obama become a Republican?
    He's always been a center-right politician. All mainstream, post-90's Democrats have been the equivalent of what used to be called moderate Republicans. The modern Republicans are far-right extremists. Yes, Obama isn't one of those, but the Democrats just keep on slinking further and further to the right.
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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Would social liberals actually take a chance for not just one, but the potential of three SCOTUS nominees coming from one of the jingle asses running on the republican side? Are y'all insane?
    An excellent question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Not compromising might be the "new democrats" downfall. First thing millennials need to learn is that they're not going to get everything they want no matter how much they stomp their little feet and holler.
    Indeed. What I find disturbing is the idea that some on the left look at the Tea Party and think "what a great model!" Compromise isn't a dirty word in a country of 300+ million people.

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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    He's always been a center-right politician. All mainstream, post-90's Democrats have been the equivalent of what used to be called moderate Republicans. The modern Republicans are far-right extremists. Yes, Obama isn't one of those, but the Democrats just keep on slinking further and further to the right.
    Only if you are claiming we are Europe. In America he is firmly on the Left.
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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't understand the logic of a "war" in the democratic party. Granted, I'm neither a democrat nor a republican, and I vote based upon issues and individuals, not party lines. However, despite the fact that I have voted for more republican presidents than democrat in my lifetime, it's been quite a while since I've voted for a republican presidential candidate. After the debacle of the republicans currently running, I daresay that this election will be no different.

    I'll be voting for the democratic nominee unless something drastically changes, and I'll say out loud that I hope that nominee is Hillary. If it's not, yes, I'll vote for Sanders, because at this time more than ever SCOTUS nominees alone should have all people with socially liberal views giving any democrat running for president their vote.

    War? Where in hell did that come from? Am I hearing a "vote for our guy or we'll take our marbles and go home" kind of thing? Would social liberals actually take a chance for not just one, but the potential of three SCOTUS nominees coming from one of the jingle asses running on the republican side? Are y'all insane?

    Excuse me, I must now go beat my head on the nearest hard surface.
    Tell it, baby girl! With the exception of Hillary being your first choice I'm with you. Your experience is my experience.










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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Only if you are claiming we are Europe. In America he is firmly on the Left.
    Obama is a moderate, possibly left of center but slightly. His tendencies, I believe, are more progressive than his actions but he contains himself, not only because he is boxed in anyway by a hostile Congress but also due to a Jackie Robinson complex from being the first black President. He feels a need to be extra nice.

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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by JackA View Post
    Obama is a moderate, possibly left of center but slightly. His tendencies, I believe, are more progressive than his actions but he contains himself, not only because he is boxed in anyway by a hostile Congress but also due to a Jackie Robinson complex from being the first black President. He feels a need to be extra nice.
    Bull****, he is a world class prick.
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    Re: The Left better brace itself for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    The first thing they need to learn is that they have no power unless they as a group get their asses to the polls and make their presence known. The older generations have proven consistently that they are willing to screw over the young to get more unearned candy.

    Older generations were young once, too. Once upon a time, the young peoples choice of McGovern was replaced with the establishment choice of Humphrey at the 1968 Democrat convention and all hell broke loose. Perhaps you've heard of the Chicago riots, no? Somehow I don't think there's going to be a riot worth noting if Bernie loses the nomination to Hillary...because she's winning the popular and delegate vote fair and square...state by state.

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