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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no way that the superdelegates ignore a decisive Sanders victory. if Clinton plays dirty, it will happen before that.
    If Hillary plays dirty? Either you actually believe that Hillary didn't tell DWS that there would be 6 debates (back when her calculus was that this would be good for her), that DWS didn't pull Sanders voting registry for a day as a (very unsuccessful) smear campaign, and so forth, or you're a little late to the game with that conditional. But I think it's pretty blatantly clear to everyone that DWS is just an extension of the Clinton 2016 campaign.

    as for DWS, if the Democrats win, it will be in spite of her DNC, not because of it.
    Agreed. Same was true in 2014, only there they simply just didn't win. DWS needs to be removed many reasons unrelated to 2016, but the least of which is helping lose the 2014 midterms and bankrupting the DNC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, that is bull**** and irrational emotion. Sanders got 6 more delegates than Clinton in New Hampshire. Until the convention, superdelegates are not committed to any candidate. They can support a candidate, they can say they will vote for a candidate, but history shows that they can also change their mind later, and frequently do.
    This is true, but it pretty well misses the entire point. I'm not questioning what they will do --however, you'd be wildly naive if you thought that Hillary will not have a larger support from superdelegates than Sanders no matter what the outcome of the popular election. She will, I don't think anyone serious questions this, but she will Rather the question is "Should anyone be confused that this is anti-democratic and anti-liberal?"


    Again, people thought about the superdelegates did so for an explicity reason in the 70's, and Wasserman-Schultz said why. They aren't going to turn a massively popular candidate around, but they are an extra leg up for the Establishment candidates.
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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    The Democratic Party is anti-democratic. This should not come as a surprise to anyone who's followed American politics for any length of time.

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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    If Hillary plays dirty? Either you actually believe that Hillary didn't tell DWS that there would be 6 debates (back when her calculus was that this would be good for her), that DWS didn't pull Sanders voting registry for a day as a (very unsuccessful) smear campaign, and so forth, or you're a little late to the game with that conditional. But I think it's pretty blatantly clear to everyone that DWS is just an extension of the Clinton 2016 campaign.
    the Democratic nomination process was intentionally stacked in her favor. however, the superdelegates won't overturn the race. her campaign and the DNC will act well before that if the voters don't waffle and toss out Sanders as "unelectable." either way, the superdelegates won't defy a decisive Sanders victory any more than they defied Obama's. we can revisit this after it doesn't happen, and if they do pull off a coup, i'll admit being wrong with my prediction.

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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no way that the superdelegates ignore a decisive Sanders victory.
    At least one has already said he will.

    But another is holding online polls, so I'm hoping Patrick Leahy is an exception.
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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the Democratic nomination process was intentionally stacked in her favor. however, the superdelegates won't overturn the race. her campaign and the DNC will act well before that if the voters don't waffle and toss out Sanders as "unelectable." either way, the superdelegates won't defy a decisive Sanders victory any more than they defied Obama's. we can revisit this after it doesn't happen, and if they do pull off a coup, i'll admit being wrong with my prediction.
    A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.
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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    At least one has already said he will.

    But another is holding online polls, so I'm hoping Patrick Leahy is an exception.
    the superdelegates won't overturn a Sanders victory, IMO. i think the likelihood of a Sanders victory is the real question, but that's for another thread.

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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.
    they can, but i don't believe that they will.

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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.
    they won't because the dems will have no chance in the general then, as sanders voters will just stay home. I can see a large number of hillary voters going for sanders, but not the other way around. She's too bought off and offers nothing worthwhile

    actually, if cruz wins and trump still has momentum and runs as independent, she might have a chance even with half the dems staying home. That scenario would lead to the worst turnout ever

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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    A decisive Sanders win? I agree, they won't overturn that. But if Sanders wins within a certain margin, they can and will overrule the people and go with who they want.
    I suspect that the democratic party would be badly hurt by such a move.
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    Re: "Superdelegates make sure Party leaders aren't running against grassroots activis

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    Here's the CNN interview with her Majesty Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

    Well, there you go, right out of the horse's mouth:

    CNN Anchor:

    "Clinton lost to Sanders by 22% points, the largest percentage point victory in a contested Democratic primary since John F. Kennedy, but it looks as though Clinton and Sanders are leaving [New Hampshire] with the same number of delegates in their pockets because Clinton has the support of New Hampshire's 'superdelegates,' these Party insiders. What do you tell voters, who're new to the primary process who says [that] this makes them feel like it's all rigged?"

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz:

    "Well, let me just make sure that I can clarify exactly what was available [to Sanders and Clinton in the New Hampshire primary]. The unpledged delegates are a separate category; the only thing available on the ballot in a primary or caucus is the pledged delegates --those that are tied to [the voters' choices]. Unpledged [super]delegates exist, really, to make sure that Party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists. [Cue irrelevant buzzwords.]"


    Translation, "I will reinforce to them that, yes, I am trying to rig this." As far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Establishment is earning and working towards a serious collapse in their authority and power. #TimCanova2016 #FeeltheBern



    PS: I cleaned up her language, because she was so obfuscatory during the interview discussion, I think so people would stop listening to the unconscionable, anti-democratic horse**** that was spewing out of her mouth.

    good subject to bring up. Superdelegates are there to keep the status quo establishment types in power. it undermines what the voting process should be about.
    Republicans this year have 103 superdelegates, Democrats have 712. While I'm glad it plays a much smaller role for republicans they both should get rid of them.

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