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    hillary more electable than sanders ?

    i think hillary is more electable (in the general election) than sanders, i'm rooting for hillary due to this: do you think she's more electable ? thanks

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    No I don't. And the polls have Bernie beating Republican opponents by larger margins than Hillary. The reason is clear. Independents are far more likely to vote for Bernie than Hillary and Independents determine presidential elections.

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    'socialist' label, clinton machine, dnc, minorities, 74 yrs. old : what about these reasons making hillary more electable ?

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    It looks to me like either will run against Trump or Cruz. I don't know that it is possible for either of them to moderate their positions enough to get any more than the far right wing base. I think Sanders will be in exactly the same position. Hillary is already right there.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by qmuddy1 View Post
    i think hillary is more electable (in the general election) than sanders, i'm rooting for hillary due to this: do you think she's more electable ? thanks
    I think it's a bit difficult this cycle to predict anything. The electorate is justifiably pissed, and connected politicians are in their cross hairs.

    I'd hate to be a professional predictor in this environment. Even Nate Silver, the darling of the left, has seen his credibility crushed by reality.

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by qmuddy1 View Post
    i think hillary is more electable (in the general election) than sanders, i'm rooting for hillary due to this: do you think she's more electable ? thanks
    No I do not agree. It's more than important than electibility, to be honest, but beyond this, I don't agree that she stands a better chance of electibility. She's not well-trusted and she's not well liked. But either way, I think the following article points out what the real Sanders vs. Clinton primary is really about and why it's important.
    "The question is whether privileged elites should dominate mass-communication, and should use this power as they tell us they must, namely, [to] manipulate and deceive the stupid majority, and remove them from the public arena. The question, in brief, is whether Democracy and Freedom are values to be preserved or threats to be avoided." --Chomsky

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    The Clinton/Democratic Party Machine with the help of the American media will do a number on Sanders and Hilary Clinton is ambitious and unprincipled enough to get elected as the American president.

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich View Post
    The Clinton/Democratic Party Machine with the help of the American media will do a number on Sanders and Hilary Clinton is ambitious and unprincipled enough to get elected as the American president.
    You are probably right.

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by qmuddy1 View Post
    'socialist' label, clinton machine, dnc, minorities, 74 yrs. old : what about these reasons making hillary more electable ?
    The socialist label isn't doing anything to hurt his poll numbers. The only reason his polls up until a few weeks ago were low was because of name recognition.

    The 'Clinton machine' is exactly why a lot of liberals refuse to vote for her. They're tired of establishment politics, and Hillary is very much the face of establishment politics.

    Blacks support Clinton because blacks supported Bill because Bill pandered very well to black people. This is in spite of doing absolutely nothing to help the black population rise from stagnant and multi-generational poverty or address any of the black community's problems in the slightest, so I have to agree with Alexander and Coates on this and say the black community is being a little inane in supporting Clinton. Polls change as the general comes closer precisely because a lot of people just aren't interested in the election yet, so I can see that easily changing.

    The latino vote is already defecting to Bernie though. He's getting incredible momentum in Arizona, for instance.

    The DNC is a legitimate reason why Hillary Clinton has a good chance of winning the primary (and for obvious reasons it shouldn't be; corruption is nothing new, but this cycle has the DNC borderline blatant in its election rigging, which is of particular concern), but it doesn't constitute any legitimate reason why Hillary Clinton is electable in the general.

    They're both old. Age is always the red herring in amateur candidate vetting. If either of them were unfit to serve, republicans would have found out by now.



    Consider also that nobody in US history has ever been elected to any high office with the unfavorables that Clinton has now. It just doesn't happen.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    The mistake is in thinking about policies only. Sure, Hillary's policies are more electable than Bernie's BUT, she is not more electable herself and, she might not even make it to the end without being indicted. Even if she isn't, a lying dishonest crook doesn't have as good of a chance of being president as a Democratic Socialist does. The Democrat's problem is they coronated Hillary, knowing that she was a lying dishonest crook and now they are stuck with no competition, other than a Democratic socialist. To further put salt on the wound, Bloomberg will probably enter the race if Bernie should win, taking votes away from the Democratic ticket in the general election. It could get even messier if the Democrats try to steal the nomination away from Bernie by nominating Biden instead, if Hillary does have to drop out. Then voters really will be "Feeling the Bern". As I said, the problem is the Democrats betting everything on Hillary's policies and ignoring the fact that she is a lying, dishonest, crook.

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