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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    You know, the problem with presumed electibality is that nobody knows who is electable. In 2004, Kerry was chose by the Dems because he was so much more electable than Dean. Kerry lost. Both McCain and Romney were supposed to be electable. They lost.

    Now, people are telling me that I should vote for Clinton because she is so much more electable than Sanders. Then I read this:

    Nevada Poll Shows Sanders Tied with Clinton
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heinrich View Post
    The Clinton/Democratic Party Machine with the help of the American media will do a number on Sanders and Hilary Clinton is ambitious and unprincipled enough to get elected as the American president.
    Doesn't seem to be working. By now, all predictions were that Clinton would crush Sanders. Yet, he tied in Iowa and beat Clinton in NH and now polls show Nevada tied.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Doesn't seem to be working. By now, all predictions were that Clinton would crush Sanders. Yet, he tied in Iowa and beat Clinton in NH and now polls show Nevada tied.
    You will see.

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Well, barking like a dog yesterday didn't help her. LOL

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by qmuddy1 View Post
    i think hillary is more electable (in the general election) than sanders, i'm rooting for hillary due to this: do you think she's more electable ? thanks
    You're right that there's an electabiity issue in the 2016 election. However, it's not Bernie Sanders, it's Hillary Clinton. These polls have been coming in for months now. Sanders has only improved his leads over Republicans for months now, and Hillary has only been losing leads (until now she's just outright losing against all prospective Republican nominees).

    (The old rules are out, tell all your friends. The Establishment has lost it's edge in the class conflict due to the internet, and they've lost control of both parties. If Bloomberg runs in 2016, it'll be fascinating to watch the results. At this point, I think that a Sanders-Bloomberg-Cruz contest is actually a serious possibility.)
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by qmuddy1 View Post
    i think hillary is more electable (in the general election) than sanders, i'm rooting for hillary due to this: do you think she's more electable ? thanks
    Hillary has huge negative numbers, the kind that normally kills a candidate's chances. But the candidates the Republicans are throwing up there have big negatives as well, except maybe Rubio, so it's a strange year.

    She also inspires a rabid brand of hate among Republicans, the kind that gets people out to vote against her, even if they don't like their own candidate. The same kind of thing that got me off the couch to vote for a dud like Kerry in 2004 - it was a vote against Dubya, not a vote for Kerry.

    She's also got 25 years of scandals to deal with, including some current issues. People just don't like this woman, and they don't trust her. She's a default choice, a lesser evil than Cruz, Trump, or Rubio. But there is no passion behind her campaign. I'll vote for her if Sanders doesn't win the nomination, but I'll be holding my nose when I do.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Absolutely, no contest there. If it was any other social democracy, Hillary would've been the Lincoln Chafee of this presidential race. But this is American democracy: a very exotic and incongruous political body. I'm deeply wishing for Sanders to win the democratic nomination just so his base gets the political lesson of a lifetime.

    When running against a vigorous and entrenched right wing establishment, ordinary politics doesn't apply. In a nutshell, this isn't Sweden, nor is it Denmark. In the bizarro world of the current democratic primaries, Sanders is winning because he's an outsider; Clinton is struggling with her ties to the establishment. But this is exactly what you need to win against right wingers: someone who speaks their language. All that it'll take for republicans to sodomize Sanders in the general elections is to unleash their hounds in perhaps the greatest smear campaign known to man. Should that fail, a security/foreign policy shakeup of any sort will squash Sanders and his populist, socialist platform.

    Obviously that analysis is crudely objective with no regards for morality or actual political philosophy, but in every imaginable situation - save for an unforeseen Clinton scandal, Hillary will cruise seamlessly and hold her own. That being said, I'm fully aware of the obstinacy of Sanders' base; so I'm going to lay back and enjoy the show.

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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Old rich white guy vs. the idea of getting to vote for the first woman President = Hillary being the nominee.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaztopian View Post
    save for an unforeseen Clinton scandal
    She hardly needs a new one, she has plenty already, and the emails are becoming a much bigger issue than anyone on the democratic side is willing to admit. The idea that she could go into the general election with an active investigation is mind-boggling, and her rhetoric that it's all a GOP plot can't possibly take her much farther than it has already.

    Her campaign seems to skirt the edge of scandal besides, trusting in the media to cover her ass. It seems they do, though. Perhaps with the media in her pocket she actually is scandal-proof.
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    Re: hillary more electable than sanders ?

    Hitlery is far from more electable.
    She has a track-record of flip-flopping;
    - media manipulation.
    - Corporate lobbyship.
    - minority-pandering.
    - General fakeness.
    - support from warmongers and war-criminals.
    - Warmongering.
    - Lying.
    - Elitism.
    - Racism.
    - Bigotry.
    - Defending Wall St.
    - Kissing Obama's ass.
    - Distorting truth.
    - Making money off the backs of hard-working Americans.
    - Making money off of the poor.
    - Collusion with mega-bankers.
    - Collusion with mega-corporations.
    - NAFTA (threatening our nations' sovereignty)
    - Disrespect for the common people.
    - Disrespect for the youth.
    - Disrespect and rudeness in general.

    And the list goes on.

    Furthermore, her ongoing FBI investigation into her stupidity threatening our national security isn't gone away. She could very well be indicted (although it is not likely, it is not impossible either), AND her consistent lies about Bernie winning 4.5 states being a "CRUSHING DEFEAT" bull**** that is LIKELY to catch up with her in the future.

    Hillary Clinton is NOT doing NEARLY as well as her bought-and-paid-for advertisements (news) would have you believe.

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