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Is American Conservatism Approaching a Crossroads?

perhaps their fiscal conservative votes are the follow through you do not see
Nah. I am talking about at the ballot box, too.
because you are predisposed to that “clinging to Bible and guns" lip service.
LOL, wat?
 
I didn't say American conservatism.

Classical conservatism, as distinguished from American conservatism, is VERY MUCH rooted in social conservatism.
 
Classical conservatism, as distinguished from American conservatism, is VERY MUCH rooted in social conservatism.

Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. What I think of as classical conservatism is something libertarianism without the libertarians' isolationism.
 
Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. What I think of as classical conservatism is something libertarianism without the libertarians' isolationism.
Libertarianism is in no way inherently ‘conservative’. That is only what might be gathered from the common America use/redefinition of the word.
 
Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology. What I think of as classical conservatism is something libertarianism without the libertarians' isolationism.

That's classical liberalism.
 
I completely agree with you. It's not there yet, but it's definitely moving in that direction. Heck, the Republican Party's about ready to lose me, and I've been a Republican all of my life. I don't even know where I'd go! I value fiscal conservatism. But as long as the Republican Party inexplicably focuses on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, whether or not birth control pills should be paid for under the AHA, they're never going to have popular support, in my opinion. And thus will never be able to implement some of their more worthwhile conservative ideas.

Another thing you remind me of . . . our society's economy has been shifting to service for quite some time. Republican politicians need to embrace that change and figure out how to pull "the rest of us" along with the change -- through job programs, education, whatever it takes.

If the Republican Party thinks it's going to be able to win elections in the future with only the support of the Christian Right and "White Middle-Class People," it's ever-so-sadly mistaken. I hope it'd not too late. And hope our politicians see what we're seeing here.

the moderates would be happy to take you in Maggie. Its better to look in both directions than just constantly in one. You posts already indicate at least to me that you have the capability to see both ways at times. Thats good enough for us.
 
I completely agree with you. It's not there yet, but it's definitely moving in that direction. Heck, the Republican Party's about ready to lose me, and I've been a Republican all of my life. I don't even know where I'd go! I value fiscal conservatism. But as long as the Republican Party inexplicably focuses on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, whether or not birth control pills should be paid for under the AHA, they're never going to have popular support, in my opinion. And thus will never be able to implement some of their more worthwhile conservative ideas.

Another thing you remind me of . . . our society's economy has been shifting to service for quite some time. Republican politicians need to embrace that change and figure out how to pull "the rest of us" along with the change -- through job programs, education, whatever it takes.

If the Republican Party thinks it's going to be able to win elections in the future with only the support of the Christian Right and "White Middle-Class People," it's ever-so-sadly mistaken. I hope it'd not too late. And hope our politicians see what we're seeing here.

As long as the TEas and right wing nut jobs run or have a major voice in the rep party they are in trouble and if you have been paying attention to this board there is some movement but no where near enough to show much hope.
 
I'm a fiscal conservative, too - but very socially liberal. . .I just couldn't stay tied to the one side which just didn't suit my other half.

I hate our dichotomy.

See Auntie likes it with us.
 
the moderates would be happy to take you in Maggie. Its better to look in both directions than just constantly in one. You posts already indicate at least to me that you have the capability to see both ways at times. Thats good enough for us.

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Before the election i looked into the Reform Party. Their platform looked very interesting. then I looked at what their candidates were saying and the two did not match, so I'm still looking.
 
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