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Despite all the pissing, whining and moaning from members of both parities, independents, random citizens ... I thought we had two outstanding men (trickle down v. grow from the middle) in the race for POTUS.

Clearly, I am happy with the victory of Obama ... yet both men are intelligent men with a vision, love their country and no scandalous personal behaviors.

Romney ... well his loss imho was he did not stand strong on the worthy values he seemed to flirt with at times and at times pandered too easily. Possibly I am misguided yet if he had stood by his beliefs systems (Centrist) he was not far from Obama on most issues until "advised".

It had nothing to do with campaign workers or VP selections as the pundits will analyze.

Two candidates with beautiful families and we witnessed democracy in action and a choice for the American citizens.

We even had outstanding independents running for office and Gary Johnson represented many views and brought that forth with his campaign. it bothered me that the media was not reporting at all on those candidates votes submitted by Americans.

We had two outstanding men ... different approaches and Romney had many wish lists that the math did not add up ...yet intent was true and good it seemed to me.

Congratulations President Obama and Governor Romney for bringing the conversations forward and it is not a waste of time going through this process.

I suspect they are both better men for it and the race brought most leaders into an awareness of the diverse democratic Republic of the United States of America.
 
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Romney expressed policies that were delusional and dishonest (MORE tax cuts for Paris Hilton).

What do I care about his beautiful wealthy coddled family?
 
Romney had an opportunity years ago to build a new Republican Party based on moderation instead of swing to the right. After all, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and that seems to be his true political self. However, the party kept moving to the far right and he badly wanted to be president so he willingly and happily changed his beliefs and flip-flopped on all sorts of issues to pander tot he right and obtain the nomination.

He once may have been a decent guy with potential. I think he made his deal with the devil and that moment is forever gone.
 
head of joaquin said:
Romney expressed policies that were delusional and dishonest (MORE tax cuts for Paris Hilton).

What do I care about his beautiful wealthy coddled family?
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Well Romney's math did not add up and that is where Romney and Obama clearly parted paths ... trickle down from the Hiltons (Romney policy) or grow the middle class (Obama policy). That was my point on the Romney wish list that was non sensical imho. Yet for those that scribed to this both parties had a candidate with high IQ and scandalous free lifestyles.

Yet ... Americans were given a real choice with two candidates who conveyed their visions and we witnessed democracy.
 
haymarket said:
Romney had an opportunity years ago to build a new Republican Party based on moderation instead of swing to the right. After all, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and that seems to be his true political self. However, the party kept moving to the far right and he badly wanted to be president so he willingly and happily changed his beliefs and flip-flopped on all sorts of issues to pander tot he right and obtain the nomination.

He once may have been a decent guy with potential. I think he made his deal with the devil and that moment is forever gone.
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That is why he lost ... he could have really been somebody for the conservative party. I bet he knows it.
 
haymarket said:
Romney had an opportunity years ago to build a new Republican Party based on moderation instead of swing to the right. After all, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and that seems to be his true political self. However, the party kept moving to the far right and he badly wanted to be president so he willingly and happily changed his beliefs and flip-flopped on all sorts of issues to pander tot he right and obtain the nomination.

He once may have been a decent guy with potential. I think he made his deal with the devil and that moment is forever gone.
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Geez, are you as ignorant as you appear to be? "deal with the devil" WTF? BTW, where are the belmonts?
 
haymarket said:
Romney had an opportunity years ago to build a new Republican Party based on moderation instead of swing to the right. After all, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and that seems to be his true political self. However, the party kept moving to the far right and he badly wanted to be president so he willingly and happily changed his beliefs and flip-flopped on all sorts of issues to pander tot he right and obtain the nomination.

He once may have been a decent guy with potential. I think he made his deal with the devil and that moment is forever gone.
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I'm not sure how Romney could change such a deeply ingrained political trend.
 
Bobcat said:
Geez, are you as ignorant as you appear to be? "deal with the devil" WTF? BTW, where are the belmonts?
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It's that island thing I've been telling you about Bob. It's infecting EVERYTHING these days~!!!
 
Dion said:
We even had outstanding independents running for office and Gary Johnson represented many views and brought that forth with his campaign. it bothered me that the media was not reporting at all on those candidates votes submitted by Americans.
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We will know those percentages soon enough, if they are not already available. I can understand not expending time and resources compiling those numbers while the election winner was unknown.
 
haymarket said:
Romney had an opportunity years ago to build a new Republican Party based on moderation instead of swing to the right. After all, he governed Massachusetts as a moderate and that seems to be his true political self. However, the party kept moving to the far right and he badly wanted to be president so he willingly and happily changed his beliefs and flip-flopped on all sorts of issues to pander tot he right and obtain the nomination.

He once may have been a decent guy with potential. I think he made his deal with the devil and that moment is forever gone.
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in defense of his strategy, had he not played to the far right, he would have been out of the primary right after Huntsman. he would have also been booed at every debate.

I thought he ran an effective campaign from right before the first debate until the end. I'm still not sure how he pulled off running on the other side of most of his previously held positions. he even went back to moderate Romney in the general, and came within sight of winning. it's somewhat incredible, when you think about it.
 
Dion said:
Despite all the pissing, whining and moaning from members of both parities, independents, random citizens ... I thought we had two outstanding men (trickle down v. grow from the middle) in the race for POTUS.

Clearly, I am happy with the victory of Obama ... yet both men are intelligent men with a vision, love their country and no scandalous personal behaviors.

Romney ... well his loss imho was he did not stand strong on the worthy values he seemed to flirt with at times and at times pandered too easily. Possibly I am misguided yet if he had stood by his beliefs systems (Centrist) he was not far from Obama on most issues until "advised".

It had nothing to do with campaign workers or VP selections as the pundits will analyze.

Two candidates with beautiful families and we witnessed democracy in action and a choice for the American citizens.

We even had outstanding independents running for office and Gary Johnson represented many views and brought that forth with his campaign. it bothered me that the media was not reporting at all on those candidates votes submitted by Americans.

We had two outstanding men ... different approaches and Romney had many wish lists that the math did not add up ...yet intent was true and good it seemed to me.

Congratulations President Obama and Governor Romney for bringing the conversations forward and it is not a waste of time going through this process.

I suspect they are both better men for it and the race brought most leaders into an awareness of the diverse democratic Republic of the United States of America.
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What a crock!!

Who cares if they have beautiful families? Who cares about third party candidates? This election was a dog fight and the slickest dog won...with the help of a compliant media and an idiotic public. The people largely ignored the "conversations" and voted on appearances. The result is...we got our good looking empty suit back in the White House.
 
Bobcat said:
Geez, are you as ignorant as you appear to be? "deal with the devil" WTF? BTW, where are the belmonts?
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Bitterness and vitriol because of your personal disappointment is no substitute for debate.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure how Romney could change such a deeply ingrained political trend.
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I am not saying that he could have reversed this trend to the right. But he certainly did not even try. He showed his basic character flaw by his willingness to reverse much of political stances for the pursuit of the White House.
 
haymarket said:
I am not saying that he could have reversed this trend to the right. But he certainly did not even try. He showed his basic character flaw by his willingness to reverse much of political stances for the pursuit of the White House.
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Meh, I have mixed feeling about the entire thing. While I recognize that any candidate who wants the GOP nomination is going to need to spend enormous amounts of time courting stupid, both Romney and McCain turned me off with their pandering to the right (specifically the Social conservatives). And I don't see those circumstances changing anytime soon
 
Dion said:
Despite all the pissing, whining and moaning from members of both parities, independents, random citizens ... I thought we had two outstanding men (trickle down v. grow from the middle) in the race for POTUS.

Clearly, I am happy with the victory of Obama ... yet both men are intelligent men with a vision, love their country and no scandalous personal behaviors.

Romney ... well his loss imho was he did not stand strong on the worthy values he seemed to flirt with at times and at times pandered too easily. Possibly I am misguided yet if he had stood by his beliefs systems (Centrist) he was not far from Obama on most issues until "advised".

It had nothing to do with campaign workers or VP selections as the pundits will analyze.

Two candidates with beautiful families and we witnessed democracy in action and a choice for the American citizens.

We even had outstanding independents running for office and Gary Johnson represented many views and brought that forth with his campaign. it bothered me that the media was not reporting at all on those candidates votes submitted by Americans.

We had two outstanding men ... different approaches and Romney had many wish lists that the math did not add up ...yet intent was true and good it seemed to me.

Congratulations President Obama and Governor Romney for bringing the conversations forward and it is not a waste of time going through this process.

I suspect they are both better men for it and the race brought most leaders into an awareness of the diverse democratic Republic of the United States of America.
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Post of the Month!
 
Dion said:
Well Romney's math did not add up and that is where Romney and Obama clearly parted paths ... trickle down from the Hiltons (Romney policy) or grow the middle class (Obama policy). That was my point on the Romney wish list that was non sensical imho. Yet for those that scribed to this both parties had a candidate with high IQ and scandalous free lifestyles.

Yet ... Americans were given a real choice with two candidates who conveyed their visions and we witnessed democracy.
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Obama will never grow the middle class. The middle class exists, because the job creaters, create jobs. Obama will stifle job creation even more than he did in his first term and there's no way to grow the middle class with government money.
 
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