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Paul Ryan

99percenter

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Was picking paul ryan a bad choice? It didnt help in wisconsin and it made him go on the defensive on medicare. I thought he should have gone with portman.
 
99percenter said:
Was picking paul ryan a bad choice? It didnt help in wisconsin and it made him go on the defensive on medicare. I thought he should have gone with portman.
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I was critical of the Ryan choice at the time, but, I fully understand it...

Regarding the Medicare question, seniors in FL voted overwhelmingly in support of Romney/Ryan...

I also agree that Portman would've been a better choice... However, I still think the only way he was going to win was to bring someone who was outside of the political scene entirely, but had an independent status, that would appeal to the Demographics... Hermain Cain might have even been that guy...

If we look where Republicans lost... it's demographics, not issues... Blacks, Hispanics, youth, 1st time voters, women...

With respect to women, that as the more narrow margin, and probably the one based on issues, and largely done on the recent outbursts by people uninvolved with the campaigns... Think of all the stupid things Republican hacks said throughout this process... The Limbaugh "slut" comments (eventhough I think there actually may have been some merit to that argument at the time, still lingered), the Aspirin between their legs comment, the rape child was a blessing, etc. That had nothing to do with Romney, it had to do with Republicans being branded as anti-women... You know what could've helped cure that Nikki Haley Sussana Martinez, etc. taking a larger role in this election... Nikki Haley backed out of it... Sussana may have been involved but it wasn't a large support that I saw...

With respect to the rest... those are all heavy strongholds of the Democratic Party, and traditionally have been... but the percentages have increased over recent years, because the Democratic Party has been pandering to them... Nothing Ryan, Portman, Christie, etc. could've done to change that... They might have gotten a slight bump in some of those Demographics with a pander VP pick of Rubio, Cain, West, etc. but I doubt it, and it would've been seen as just that...

This ticket did an amazing job with what little apparatus they had in place, and all the cards that were stacked up against them... in battling a liberal media bent on miscategorizing everything that went down, demographics which favor the president, and lack of real ardent support from fellow conservatives...

In the end, that "ground game" of getting out the vote amoung those voting blocks (Blacks, Hispanics, youth, first time voters, and liberal minded women) is what turned the election...
 
IndepCentristMA said:
I was critical of the Ryan choice at the time, but, I fully understand it...

Regarding the Medicare question, seniors in FL voted overwhelmingly in support of Romney/Ryan...

I also agree that Portman would've been a better choice... However, I still think the only way he was going to win was to bring someone who was outside of the political scene entirely, but had an independent status, that would appeal to the Demographics... Hermain Cain might have even been that guy...

If we look where Republicans lost... it's demographics, not issues... Blacks, Hispanics, youth, 1st time voters, women...

With respect to women, that as the more narrow margin, and probably the one based on issues, and largely done on the recent outbursts by people uninvolved with the campaigns... Think of all the stupid things Republican hacks said throughout this process... The Limbaugh "slut" comments (eventhough I think there actually may have been some merit to that argument at the time, still lingered), the Aspirin between their legs comment, the rape child was a blessing, etc. That had nothing to do with Romney, it had to do with Republicans being branded as anti-women... You know what could've helped cure that Nikki Haley Sussana Martinez, etc. taking a larger role in this election... Nikki Haley backed out of it... Sussana may have been involved but it wasn't a large support that I saw...

With respect to the rest... those are all heavy strongholds of the Democratic Party, and traditionally have been... but the percentages have increased over recent years, because the Democratic Party has been pandering to them... Nothing Ryan, Portman, Christie, etc. could've done to change that... They might have gotten a slight bump in some of those Demographics with a pander VP pick of Rubio, Cain, West, etc. but I doubt it, and it would've been seen as just that...

This ticket did an amazing job with what little apparatus they had in place, and all the cards that were stacked up against them... in battling a liberal media bent on miscategorizing everything that went down, demographics which favor the president, and lack of real ardent support from fellow conservatives...

In the end, that "ground game" of getting out the vote amoung those voting blocks (Blacks, Hispanics, youth, first time voters, and liberal minded women) is what turned the election...
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I agree.. but one note. Yes the "margin" among women was narrow.. not really.. was 11% or something like that, but that is compounded by the fact that women are a majority of the electorate.

As for Paul Ryan. I dont think it was a mistake because Romney did not have the base before Ryan. He gained a lot of the base, but in the end the enthusiasm gap was non existent at best, if not totally the opposite.. the Dems turned out in droves and the Republicans did not. And when a Republican cant get out the vote at least as well as the Dems.. then you are in trouble. It might have been his flip-flopping, being a mormon... but it certainly was not due to Paul Ryan.
 
I like Ryan - a lot. I think he's a very attractive politician (not physically). But I don't think he was the best choice for Romney. I was pulling for Rob Portman who I think could have delivered Ohio.
 
PeteEU said:
I agree.. but one note. Yes the "margin" among women was narrow.. not really.. was 11% or something like that, but that is compounded by the fact that women are a majority of the electorate.

As for Paul Ryan. I dont think it was a mistake because Romney did not have the base before Ryan. He gained a lot of the base, but in the end the enthusiasm gap was non existent at best, if not totally the opposite.. the Dems turned out in droves and the Republicans did not. And when a Republican cant get out the vote at least as well as the Dems.. then you are in trouble. It might have been his flip-flopping, being a mormon... but it certainly was not due to Paul Ryan.
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I dont think it was a problem getting out the vote... they did, too... Republican enthusiasm was felt, with the gap closing in nearly every area of the country from the 2008 result...

It just didn't close an iota with Blacks, and lost ground with Hispanics... and those new voters who entered the process voted about the same...

One could describe that as Obama's base... the young and impressionable voters... Oh, wait, I already have... :D

Yet, that's what turned the tide of the election...
 
tres borrachos said:
I like Ryan - a lot. I think he's a very attractive politician (not physically). But I don't think he was the best choice for Romney. I was pulling for Rob Portman who I think could have delivered Ohio.
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But could he also have delivered FL, VA, and CO, where he also would've needed to win?

The Hispanic vote was the 1 area which Romney didn't gain on McCain... and it made up about 15% of the vote... and went 70% to the Dems... Rubio might have made the difference... but, I think Hispanics still would've passed over Rubio for "The Dream Act"...

Pandering didn't work well in the Republican Primaries... but it sure worked in the presidential election...
 
It would not have mattered who Romney picked for his VP nor who Republicans nominated as their candidate. A majority of people are satistified with Obama's performance and with the state of the country. Therefore there was nothing Republicans could have done to win.
 
IndepCentristMA said:
I dont think it was a problem getting out the vote... they did, too... Republican enthusiasm was felt, with the gap closing in nearly every area of the country from the 2008 result...

It just didn't close an iota with Blacks, and lost ground with Hispanics... and those new voters who entered the process voted about the same...

One could describe that as Obama's base... the young and impressionable voters... Oh, wait, I already have... :D

Yet, that's what turned the tide of the election...
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Blacks, Hispanics, and the "youth" vote.

God help us.
 
Here is something to consider. Paul Ryan kept his seat in congress instead of resgning it to put his full effort into the Rep cause. What does that tell you. I have never heard of this before. The guy wanted it all and didn't have the guts to truly follow his man. He wimped out and choose the easy path, figuring if I can't get one I will sure as hell get the other.

Gutless wonder.
 
Being a devotee of Ayn Rand and social darwinism is not a path to electoral victory in the US, unless you live in a trailer park.l
 
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