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For the first time ever, I really am afraid this election

Grim17

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This will be my 8th presidential election and tomorrow I will go to the polls and cast my vote for Mitt Romney. But there is something very different this time... All day today I was preoccupied, or I guess a better word would be worried... worried about the country's economy and that has never happened to me on the day before any election.
Although I always want my candidate to win, this is the first time I have ever been struck with fear at the thought my guy might lose. In 2004 for example, I really thought John Kerry would have been an awful choice. He was just the wrong man at the wrong time, but even then the thought of him actually winning didn't strike fear in me at all.

All partisanship and political banter aside folks, if Obama wins this election, we are in for a world of hurting and it starts before he gets sworn in for his second term. Whether you're liberal, moderate, conservative, republican, democrat, or libertarian, most will agree that 1) our economy is still very fragile and we are still far from recovering, and 2) the last thing the country needs is for more costs to be imposed on small business or the American people.

Well that is precisely what's going to happen in 2013 if Obama is elected, and most of those costs take effect starting on January 1st. They are:

Obamacare costs
Federal tax increases
New EPA regulations

Let's look at all 3, starting with:

Obamacare costs

Here's a list of the top five that take effect on January 1, 2013

1. Medical Device Tax – a $20 billion tax increase
2. Special Needs Kids Tax – a $13 billion tax increase
3. Surtax on Investment Income – a $123 billion tax increase
4. “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deductions – a $15.2 billion tax increase
5. Medicare Payroll Tax Hike -- an $86.8 billion tax increase​

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Federal tax increases/changes

* 5% increase Long-Term Capital Gain Rates
* Qualified Dividend Income Rates double
* Itemized Deductions reduced
* Increased estate tax
* 3-5 percent increase across the board on individuals.
* Additional employee portion of payroll tax
* Phaseout of personal exemptions
* Decrease in standard deduction for married taxpayers filing jointly
* Loss of income exclusion for employer-provided educational assistance
* Decrease on above-the-line student loan interest deduction
* Home sale exclusion. Heirs, estates, and qualified revocable trusts
* Decrease in credit for household and dependent care expenses
* Child credit amount cut in half
* Phasing out of Earned Income Tax Credit


New EPA regulations

In 2013, thirteen new EPA regulations are scheduled to go into effect according to the report from the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The 2 biggest are:

1. The Greenhouse gas regulations - Costing power plants $300-$400 billion a year
2. New Ozone standards - Cost up to $1 trillion and up to 7.4 million jobs lost

Although energy companies will be the ones hit with those penalties, those costs will be passed on to all of us with higher electric bills.

I don't know about everyone else, but these things have me seriously worried about the nations economy. All these added costs to both business and the consumer is just going to make things worse. I think there's a real chance we will plunge into another recession in 2013 unless Romney is elected and squashes a lot of this stuff.

I really hope you all will put ideology aside for a second and think about all of this, because if Obama is elected, this is what we all will be facing in less than 2 months.
 
even if romney is elected, i doubt any large-scale squashing will occur with the democrats still commanding the senate.
 
If you look carefully at what Obama is DOING, rather than what he is saying...


You'll find that his actions fall into one of two categories:


1] Those actions which fall in line with the end goals of the Cloward-Piven Strategy.


2] Those actions which allow/increase/facilitate Racial Preferences to Blacks.


Sorry, but that's the ugly truth of what President Obama really is.
 
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roflpublican said:
even if romney is elected, i doubt any large-scale squashing will occur with the democrats still commanding the senate.
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I think he can get rid of the EPA stuff and I'm confident he will be able to get the taxes worked out with the house and senate... The Obamacare taxes are what's going to be tough though.
 
My biggest concern is that if Romney gets elected, he has the opportunity to nominate several Supreme Court Justices... most likely conservatives. Under no circumstances do I want that to happen.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
My biggest concern is that if Romney gets elected, he has the opportunity to nominate several Supreme Court Justices... most likely conservatives. Under no circumstances do I want that to happen.
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Remember, Romney is a moderate conservative, so I believe you'll have a better chance he'll nominate a moderate justice if he gets elected, than you would have gotten with any of the other republicans who ran this year.

Either way though, the main thing in this election is the economy... Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be real happy with Romney as the republican nominee, but because of his background and experience he is definitely the right man for this election.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
My biggest concern is that if Romney gets elected, he has the opportunity to nominate several Supreme Court Justices... most likely conservatives. Under no circumstances do I want that to happen.
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This is my thought as well, I doubt policy wise they'll be that much difference as in what they could get through congress would be drastically different, but their SCOTUS nominee's would be vastly different, and I do not want any more conservative justices on the bench deciding on things like LGBT rights, abortion rights, etc.
 
Grim17 said:
I think he can get rid of the EPA stuff and I'm confident he will be able to get the taxes worked out with the house and senate... The Obamacare taxes are what's going to be tough though.
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obamacare is FUBAR, it needs to be destroyed more than EPA regulations and taxes which are usually ignored/dodged fairly well by those affected anyhow.
 
Grim17 said:
I think he can get rid of the EPA stuff and I'm confident he will be able to get the taxes worked out with the house and senate... The Obamacare taxes are what's going to be tough though.
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Getting rid of the EPA would scare me, not only for us living now, but for the future generations.
 
Grim17 said:
Remember, Romney is a moderate conservative, so I believe you'll have a better chance he'll nominate a moderate justice if he gets elected, than you would have gotten with any of the other republicans who ran this year.
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Like Obama, Romney is a slave to his party. He will nominate a conservative... I'm sure someone more conservative than I'd like to see. There are several issues that I am most interested that will probably be decided by SCOTUS within the next 4-8 years. I don't want them making decisions that I do not agree with or one's that I think are bad for the country.

Either way though, the main thing in this election is the economy... Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be real happy with Romney as the republican nominee, but because of his background and experience he is definitely the right man for this election.
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I disagree. The economy is bigger than either candidate. Also, I have little issue with what Obama has done with the economy considering what he has had to work with. And finally, I support higher taxes in nearly every instance ALONG with reduced spending. I have more faith that Obama and leftwing policies will go that route than Romney and right wing policies. Now, don't get me wrong... I do not "hate" Romney like many liberals and don't think the country will fall apart if he is elected. He's probably the best conservative candidate the Republicans have put up in many years... to me, since Ford. If he is elected, I won't be devastated nor am I "afraid". But I believe Obama is a better choice for a number of reasons... most of which you would disagree with.
 
Your Star said:
Getting rid of the EPA would scare me, not only for us living now, but for the future generations.
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Yeah, getting rid of the EPA is another reason that I will not vote for Romney. Then again, I am always in favor or more... or at least more intelligent regulation. Private industry has shown that without regulation, for the most part they do not care who they kill or what they destroy as long as they make money.
 
Your Star said:
Getting rid of the EPA would scare me, not only for us living now, but for the future generations.
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I didn't say he would do that... I think he will be able to put an indefinite hold on implementing those new EPA regs that were supposed to go into effect in 2013.

You just don't want to inflict that kind of cost on the American people with the economy like this and we sure as hell don't need the lay-offs either.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
My biggest concern is that if Romney gets elected, he has the opportunity to nominate several Supreme Court Justices... most likely conservatives. Under no circumstances do I want that to happen.
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Two liberal judges likely to retire this term, and 1 tops conservative judge. It's too important to vote for any one but a democrat. A 7-2 split favoring conservatives in the Supreme Court would do far too much damage.
 
Redress said:
Two liberal judges likely to retire this term, and 1 tops conservative judge. It's too important to vote for any one but a democrat. A 7-2 split favoring conservatives in the Supreme Court would do far too much damage.
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What liberal justice do you think will retire beside Ginsburg? I was thinking probably Kennedy and Ginsburg would retire, but I didn't think anyone else was imminent.
 
Anagram said:
What liberal justice do you think will retire beside Ginsburg? I was thinking probably Kennedy and Ginsburg would retire, but I didn't think anyone else was imminent.
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To be honest I don't remember, it was just something I saw. I just looked...Ginsberg, Breyer and Scalia are the favorites to retire, with Kennedy a possible(and he is kinda a centrist/oddball).
 
Redress said:
To be honest I don't remember, it was just something I saw. I just looked...Ginsberg, Breyer and Scalia are the favorites to retire, with Kennedy a possible(and he is kinda a centrist/oddball).
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Yeah, I didn't realize how old Breyer's gotten. Scalia doesn't really strike me as the type to retire until he absolutely has to, if then.
 
Anagram said:
Yeah, I didn't realize how old Breyer's gotten. Scalia doesn't really strike me as the type to retire until he absolutely has to, if then.
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I think Scalia will try and hold on till a republican president. Go Hillary in 2016!
 
Putting a muzzle on the EPA might actually go a long ways to protecting the enviroment, by first stopping the push for all-electric cars and then millions of tonnes of lithium battery waste, and second, by keeping the economy healthy enough that Americans can afford the luxury of caring about the enviroment.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
My biggest concern is that if Romney gets elected, he has the opportunity to nominate several Supreme Court Justices... most likely conservatives. Under no circumstances do I want that to happen.
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why not? at least the conservative judges seem to vote across party lines. The liberal judges always seem to vote party line.
 
Grim17 said:
This will be my 8th presidential election and tomorrow I will go to the polls and cast my vote for Mitt Romney. But there is something very different this time... All day today I was preoccupied, or I guess a better word would be worried... worried about the country's economy and that has never happened to me on the day before any election.
Although I always want my candidate to win, this is the first time I have ever been struck with fear at the thought my guy might lose. In 2004 for example, I really thought John Kerry would have been an awful choice. He was just the wrong man at the wrong time, but even then the thought of him actually winning didn't strike fear in me at all.

All partisanship and political banter aside folks, if Obama wins this election, we are in for a world of hurting and it starts before he gets sworn in for his second term. Whether you're liberal, moderate, conservative, republican, democrat, or libertarian, most will agree that 1) our economy is still very fragile and we are still far from recovering, and 2) the last thing the country needs is for more costs to be imposed on small business or the American people.

Well that is precisely what's going to happen in 2013 if Obama is elected, and most of those costs take effect starting on January 1st. They are:

Obamacare costs
Federal tax increases
New EPA regulations

Let's look at all 3, starting with:

Obamacare costs

Here's a list of the top five that take effect on January 1, 2013

1. Medical Device Tax – a $20 billion tax increase
2. Special Needs Kids Tax – a $13 billion tax increase
3. Surtax on Investment Income – a $123 billion tax increase
4. “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deductions – a $15.2 billion tax increase
5. Medicare Payroll Tax Hike -- an $86.8 billion tax increase​

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Federal tax increases/changes

* 5% increase Long-Term Capital Gain Rates
* Qualified Dividend Income Rates double
* Itemized Deductions reduced
* Increased estate tax
* 3-5 percent increase across the board on individuals.
* Additional employee portion of payroll tax
* Phaseout of personal exemptions
* Decrease in standard deduction for married taxpayers filing jointly
* Loss of income exclusion for employer-provided educational assistance
* Decrease on above-the-line student loan interest deduction
* Home sale exclusion. Heirs, estates, and qualified revocable trusts
* Decrease in credit for household and dependent care expenses
* Child credit amount cut in half
* Phasing out of Earned Income Tax Credit


New EPA regulations

In 2013, thirteen new EPA regulations are scheduled to go into effect according to the report from the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The 2 biggest are:

1. The Greenhouse gas regulations - Costing power plants $300-$400 billion a year
2. New Ozone standards - Cost up to $1 trillion and up to 7.4 million jobs lost

Although energy companies will be the ones hit with those penalties, those costs will be passed on to all of us with higher electric bills.

I don't know about everyone else, but these things have me seriously worried about the nations economy. All these added costs to both business and the consumer is just going to make things worse. I think there's a real chance we will plunge into another recession in 2013 unless Romney is elected and squashes a lot of this stuff.

I really hope you all will put ideology aside for a second and think about all of this, because if Obama is elected, this is what we all will be facing in less than 2 months.
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I think a Romney presidency will be even more disastrous for the US and the world. The economy might shoot up a bit but after that, after the problems the US has will not get fixed because Romney is most likely going to go back to the Bush era, spend and do not pay for it.

More floods, more issues will come. Violence will grow as the difference between the haves and the have nothings are made worse by his presidency. The US will buckle under the cost of it's legal system, the costs of flooding/storms or the costs for protecting the people from the water, etc. etc. etc. will be enormous.
 
Peter King said:
I think a Romney presidency will be even more disastrous for the US and the world. The economy might shoot up a bit but after that, after the problems the US has will not get fixed because Romney is most likely going to go back to the Bush era, spend and do not pay for it.

More floods, more issues will come. Violence will grow as the difference between the haves and the have nothings are made worse by his presidency. The US will buckle under the cost of it's legal system, the costs of flooding/storms or the costs for protecting the people from the water, etc. etc. etc. will be enormous.
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wealth gap has risen every month under obama.
 
Peter King said:
I think a Romney presidency will be even more disastrous for the US and the world. The economy might shoot up a bit but after that, after the problems the US has will not get fixed because Romney is most likely going to go back to the Bush era, spend and do not pay for it.

More floods, more issues will come. Violence will grow as the difference between the haves and the have nothings are made worse by his presidency. The US will buckle under the cost of it's legal system, the costs of flooding/storms or the costs for protecting the people from the water, etc. etc. etc. will be enormous.
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From any honest scientific perspective, Human caused Global Climate change is load of B.S used to get funding for unethical science groups and to play politics, it is not science.
 
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