Did anyone of you change your views?

So, I've been on this forum for about 1.5months now I guess and I want to ask you all a question, being election day and such.


Have any of you ever changed your political persuasion in the past 4 years up until today. Have any of you ever said: well, my side is wrong, better switch sides. or: Hell, that actually makes a lick of sense, better jump boat!

Or do you still carry on the same political persusasion you had up to 4 years ago.

Anyway, if you are to leave a comment, do leave a comment saying how did the past years' talks have helped you from a political perspective.

Europeans/people from other places except america should vote the final option.

Yes, reading the works and letters of Martin Luther King convinced me that Racism, particularly institutionalized Racism, must always be opposed.

Kurmugeon said:

Yes, reading the works and letters of Martin Luther King convinced me that Racism, particularly institutionalized Racism, must always be opposed.

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indeed, so we need to do away with affirmative action quotas in keeping with the concept of universal equality.

My view 4 years ago was that McCain had more experience and would have been better. I was taking a gamble that he was going far right just to rally the loonies since it did not seem to fit his normal ideas. I did not mind obama, but thought he was really new at it and he needed some experience to be more effective. I also saw him as more of a good diplomat, but not a leader. Of course i voted for Obama due to McCain's VP pick. She scared the hell out of me and there was no way i would have ever voted for someone if they were backed up by her. My personal preference in that election would have been Hillary.

For the first year my opinion of obama pretty much got confirmed and i began to hate the guy. He was just bending way too far over for the republicans and congress was turning into a big giant crib full of babies bickering. He failed to bring about change in gay rights, immigrant rights, close gitmo, and the wars were looking even worse. Not to mention the economy was tanking and the people he was giving money to were giving him the finger and it looked like there was nothing we could do about it. He started to grow a backbone at some point, and finally things started to break. he started making accomplishments. His work stood up against legal tests. Certain diminuative things about him seemed to make sense. GLBT reform is coming around, but it is not tied directly to him. Health care reform was tied to him for political purposes, but a lot of that was actually other people's work. He did not just do away with DADT by himself, he brought everyone else in with him on that. At first i thought that he was just following along the path and going where it lead, but then I found out he was spurning the wave forward but did not want his name to bring it down because his enemies would have done that.

I know obama is a politician and you don't get there without big friends who he protects. I know he has them, because he is a politician. It just seems that lately every time I think of an Issue obama is going in the direction I wish to go. Yes, i thing we are at the point where our government can provide health care for all of it's people. Perhaps the single payer solution had to fail because we were not economically capable of doing it at the time and obama may have seen that.

I believe in Obama now. he is not the unprepared senator he was. I think 4 more years of Obama is going to put us in a better place.

On the other side, my opinion on Mitt has changed also. When he was first running I saw him as the most tollerable of the republican candidates. He did not seem that bad. He was a rich guy who I thought might do well as president if he got there. Then I learned more about him. I learned he cannot be trusted. i learned he has all sorts of shady business deals. i heard he is a cuthroat businessman out for a buck and he would sell out anyone to get it.Then he picked a religious extremist as his running mate and things got even worse. I dont know what Mitt will actually be paid to do in the end. All I know is i had a positive candidate and that has not changed.

LOL, Four more years of Obama and the end goals of the Cloward-Piven Strategy will be achieved, America will Collapse.


The Lefties will try like hell to profit from the chaos they created, but in the end, like the soviet revoutions in Russia and China, it will only create years of toil and misery.

Rainman05 said:

So, I've been on this forum for about 1.5months now I guess and I want to ask you all a question, being election day and such.


Have any of you ever changed your political persuasion in the past 4 years up until today. Have any of you ever said: well, my side is wrong, better switch sides. or: Hell, that actually makes a lick of sense, better jump boat!

Or do you still carry on the same political persusasion you had up to 4 years ago.

Anyway, if you are to leave a comment, do leave a comment saying how did the past years' talks have helped you from a political perspective.

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I haven't changed parties, but I've shifted within the libertarian party. When I first came here I was a hardliner far right libertarian. Over the past year I've found myself drifting into the middle of the spectrum on economic issues. I think it has a lot to do with my time in europe and seeing a lot of the high quality countries like Germany, Austria, Denmark, and Scandanavia.

I however don't see myself ever giving up the notion that people can run their lives better than bureaucrats.

RabidAlpaca said:

I haven't changed parties, but I've shifted within the libertarian party. When I first came here I was a hardliner far right libertarian. Over the past year I've found myself drifting into the middle of the spectrum on economic issues. I think it has a lot to do with my time in europe and seeing a lot of the high quality countries like Germany, Austria, Denmark, and Scandanavia.

I however don't see myself ever giving up the notion that people can run their lives better than bureaucrats.

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Have you considered that the solution that works for Small, relatively racially homogenious European countries with high levels of working industrial infrastructure, may NOT work for a country the size of America, with a Crumbling Infrastruction, and coming off of a forty year stint of Government Institutionalize Racial Discrimination and all the inefficencies and in-approrpriate and mis-applied investments in education and job positions that entails?

Rainman05 said:

So, I've been on this forum for about 1.5months now I guess and I want to ask you all a question, being election day and such.


Have any of you ever changed your political persuasion in the past 4 years up until today. Have any of you ever said: well, my side is wrong, better switch sides. or: Hell, that actually makes a lick of sense, better jump boat!

Or do you still carry on the same political persusasion you had up to 4 years ago.

Anyway, if you are to leave a comment, do leave a comment saying how did the past years' talks have helped you from a political perspective.

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Not Democrat or Republican. Conservative all the way. No, my views haven't changed at all during Obama's presidency.

Kurmugeon said:

Have you considered that the solution that works for Small, relatively racially homogenious European countries with high levels of working industrial infrastructure, may NOT work for a country the size of America, with a Crumbling Infrastruction, and coming off of a forty year stint of Government Institutionalize Racial Discrimination and all the inefficencies and in-approrpriate and mis-applied investments in education and job positions that entails?

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ZOMG! They're not the same countries!? That's one of the many, many reasons why I'm still a small-government, middle libertarian. Thank you for bringing up the obvious.

RabidAlpaca said:

ZOMG! They're not the same countries!? That's one of the many, many reasons why I'm still a small-government, middle libertarian. Thank you for bringing up the obvious.

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It is unlikely that your or my opinions will count for a hill of beans anyway. I know mine won't, I live in New Mexico, a state which has gone from Swing to Solid Blue, over the last four years, according to the pollsters.


I will vote anyway, just to have the right to gripe, but I know deep down, it is totally beyond my control. America will either turn into a socialist hell hole, and have to pass through collapse and several decades of Kleptocracy, to find its way back to Capitalism, or it will regain sanety, either way, I cannot control it.


Its like watching a loved one commit the slow motion suicide of drug abuse...