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Romoney's lies about job growth under Obama

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In the second Presidential debate, Romoney tried once again to claim that American jobs were declining under the Obama administration.

The Republican spin and deception on this issue is astonishing....but quite predictable too.

Check out this chart below from The Federal Reserve Bank in St. Louis and ask yourself if this looks like a downward trend in job numbers to YOU?

For reasons that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with partisan election politics, Romoney and the rightwingnut media echo chamber would claim that this chart does show a job loss under Obama.

So is Romoney right about job numbers declining since Obama took office??? Or is the context of what had been happening to the economy under Bush before Obama took office somehow important to consider if you want to actually understand the situation and not just score bogus political points???

Remember Obama came into office with the economy in the tank, the banking system and the auto industry about to collapse, and unemployment already skyrocketing* after eight years of Bush Admin. mismanagement that had taken the country from a $230 billion dollar surplus when Clinton left office to a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Bush left office. It takes a while to turn the economy around and recover after a train wreck like Bush left behind but quite obviously progress is being made on recovery. If the corrupt republican greed freaks and plutocratic power trippers get back into control, expect to see this chart in the coming years look even worse than it looks here in 2009. The ride will be a lot rougher than the Bush years. If Romoney and Lyin' Ryan win, expect to see more wars in the Mideast, huge gas price hikes, more tax cuts for the super rich and the corporations, higher taxes for the middle class and even the poor, more profitable (for them) destruction of the economy and exporting of jobs, a ban on legal abortion and suppression of the availability of contraception supplies and information, more assaults on everyone's freedoms and rights, more packing the judiciary with far right wing ideologues which means more twisting of the laws to favor the top 1% at the expense of the rest of us. Give Obama a chance and the recovery seen here will continue and grow stronger. Let's give him a majority in the House and a 60 plus majority in the Senate while we're at it and the things we need to happen to grow our economy and compete in the global market can get done without all of the organized Republican obstructionism that we've all seen for the last four years. The right wing has shown a willingness to see the country go down the tubes rather than let Obama accomplish anything. In spite of that, he's accomplished quite a lot.

* "unemployment already skyrocketing" - FactCheck.org reports this:
Repeated Job Loss Claim - Romney's claim that Obama "stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history" is also wrong, as we've noted before. The truth is more jobs were lost under Bush than Obama, and most of the jobs lost since he took office have now been regained. Since we wrote about this last year, the BLS has revised its statistics slightly for improved accuracy, as it does every year. The latest data show that "total nonfarm employment" (the standard measure of jobs) declined by nearly 8.8 million between its most recent peak in January 2008 and when the job slump bottomed out more than two years later, in February 2010. Of those lost jobs, nearly 4.5 million disappeared while Bush was president, and just over 4.3 million vanished during Obama's first 13 months in office. And since the job totals hit bottom there have been slow and steady gains, totaling nearly 3.6 million jobs. The total for March (released April 6) stood just 740,000 short of where it was in January 2009 when Obama was inaugurated.


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In the second Presidential debate, Romoney tried once again to claim that American jobs were declining under the Obama administration.

The Republican spin and deception on this issue is astonishing....but quite predictable too.

Check out this chart below from The Federal Reserve Bank in St. Louis and ask yourself if this looks like a downward trend in job numbers to YOU?

For reasons that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with partisan election politics, Romoney and the rightwingnut media echo chamber would claim that this chart does show a job loss under Obama.

So is Romoney right about job numbers declining since Obama took office??? Or is the context of what had been happening to the economy under Bush before Obama took office somehow important to consider if you want to actually understand the situation and not just score bogus political points???

Remember Obama came into office with the economy in the tank, the banking system and the auto industry about to collapse, and unemployment already skyrocketing* after eight years of Bush Admin. mismanagement that had taken the country from a $230 billion dollar surplus when Clinton left office to a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Bush left office. It takes a while to turn the economy around and recover after a train wreck like Bush left behind but quite obviously progress is being made on recovery. If the corrupt republican greed freaks and plutocratic power trippers get back into control, expect to see this chart in the coming years look even worse than it looks here in 2009. The ride will be a lot rougher than the Bush years. If Romoney and Lyin' Ryan win, expect to see more wars in the Mideast, huge gas price hikes, more tax cuts for the super rich and the corporations, higher taxes for the middle class and even the poor, more profitable (for them) destruction of the economy and exporting of jobs, a ban on legal abortion and suppression of the availability of contraception supplies and information, more assaults on everyone's freedoms and rights, more packing the judiciary with far right wing ideologues which means more twisting of the laws to favor the top 1% at the expense of the rest of us. Give Obama a chance and the recovery seen here will continue and grow stronger. Let's give him a majority in the House and a 60 plus majority in the Senate while we're at it and the things we need to happen to grow our economy and compete in the global market can get done without all of the organized Republican obstructionism that we've all seen for the last four years. The right wing has shown a willingness to see the country go down the tubes rather than let Obama accomplish anything. In spite of that, he's accomplished quite a lot.

* "unemployment already skyrocketing" - FactCheck.org reports this:
Repeated Job Loss Claim - Romney's claim that Obama "stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history" is also wrong, as we've noted before. The truth is more jobs were lost under Bush than Obama, and most of the jobs lost since he took office have now been regained. Since we wrote about this last year, the BLS has revised its statistics slightly for improved accuracy, as it does every year. The latest data show that "total nonfarm employment" (the standard measure of jobs) declined by nearly 8.8 million between its most recent peak in January 2008 and when the job slump bottomed out more than two years later, in February 2010. Of those lost jobs, nearly 4.5 million disappeared while Bush was president, and just over 4.3 million vanished during Obama's first 13 months in office. And since the job totals hit bottom there have been slow and steady gains, totaling nearly 3.6 million jobs. The total for March (released April 6) stood just 740,000 short of where it was in January 2009 when Obama was inaugurated.


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If you were expecting the honest truth from the party of no, I don't know what to say.
 
Yeah....looking at the chart you supplied I'd say that Romney was 100% correct. Jobs have declined under Obama and you have supplied the proof.
 
Yeah....looking at the chart you supplied I'd say that Romney was 100% correct. Jobs have declined under Obama and you have supplied the proof.

Lol. I guess you're forgetting the completely FUBAR'd economy Obama inherited. From looking at that graph, Obama spent his first year stopping the Decline, and since then there has been job growth every year.

It takes .01 seconds for a bomb to destroy a house, but months to rebuild it. it took bush 8 years to destroy the economy, god knows how long it will take obama to fix it. hopefully he runs for a 3rd term, we could use another FDR.

Florida baby! My vote counted! :D
 
Yeah....looking at the chart you supplied I'd say that Romney was 100% correct. Jobs have declined under Obama and you have supplied the proof.

If he said it in 2009 sure he'd be right. Jobs declined under Obama in 2009 and then have steadily increased.
 
Speaking of lies

1. there is no presidential candidate named Romoney
2. Romney did not make that claim in the 2nd debate. it was in a fundraising letter (not a lie because you probably didnt know this)
3. The campaign did not specify what employment numbers it was using or in what context, and we dont know who knew what at the time it was written. The facts are that there were more people employed at the end of Bush's term than the beginning.

142,187 in January 2009 compared to 137,612 in Feb 2001, a GAIN of about 5 million

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Your chart shows there are less jobs than when Obama took over, but theres actually been an increase. But since we dont know the context, it is impossible to call it a lie, by definition. This is the problem with factchecks. They are factchecking opinions and rhetoric and are thus useless.
 
Speaking of lies

1. there is no presidential candidate named Romoney
2. Romney did not make that claim in the 2nd debate. it was in a fundraising letter (not a lie because you probably didnt know this)
3. The campaign did not specify what employment numbers it was using or in what context, and we dont know who knew what at the time it was written. The facts are that there were more people employed at the end of Bush's term than the beginning.

142,187 in January 2009 compared to 137,612 in Feb 2001, a GAIN of about 5 million

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Your chart shows there are less jobs than when Obama took over, but theres actually been an increase. But since we dont know the context, it is impossible to call it a lie, by definition. This is the problem with factchecks. They are factchecking opinions and rhetoric and are thus useless.

Not quite true. A lot of these "opinions" (I'd call them deceptive mudderings myself) are meant to mislead, to amke something seem other than the facts would support. To be factually accurate, it is not important whether there is less today than when Bush took over, but how much he is perosnally responsible for the drop and what then increase means. Anyone merely saying it is less today is likely trying to set forth a misprecetption, a causal relationship, a causal fallacy.
 
First there was no surplus when Bush took office. In no year during clintons office did the national debt go down.
In clintons last budget the deficit was 133.29 billion the national debt was 5.807463 trillion.
I am not excusing the spending of Bush, but he did not start with surplus. And Obama is spending at a faster rate than Bush.
As far as republicans being in Obamas way for 4 years it is only actually 2. Dems had control for his first 2 years in office. Remember Pelosi as Speaker of the House?
If the job market is so great why did we hit an all time high in food stamps?
 
In the second Presidential debate, Romoney tried once again to claim that American jobs were declining under the Obama administration.

The Republican spin and deception on this issue is astonishing....but quite predictable too.

Check out this chart below from The Federal Reserve Bank in St. Louis and ask yourself if this looks like a downward trend in job numbers to YOU?

For reasons that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with partisan election politics, Romoney and the rightwingnut media echo chamber would claim that this chart does show a job loss under Obama.

So is Romoney right about job numbers declining since Obama took office??? Or is the context of what had been happening to the economy under Bush before Obama took office somehow important to consider if you want to actually understand the situation and not just score bogus political points???

Remember Obama came into office with the economy in the tank, the banking system and the auto industry about to collapse, and unemployment already skyrocketing* after eight years of Bush Admin. mismanagement that had taken the country from a $230 billion dollar surplus when Clinton left office to a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Bush left office. It takes a while to turn the economy around and recover after a train wreck like Bush left behind but quite obviously progress is being made on recovery. If the corrupt republican greed freaks and plutocratic power trippers get back into control, expect to see this chart in the coming years look even worse than it looks here in 2009. The ride will be a lot rougher than the Bush years. If Romoney and Lyin' Ryan win, expect to see more wars in the Mideast, huge gas price hikes, more tax cuts for the super rich and the corporations, higher taxes for the middle class and even the poor, more profitable (for them) destruction of the economy and exporting of jobs, a ban on legal abortion and suppression of the availability of contraception supplies and information, more assaults on everyone's freedoms and rights, more packing the judiciary with far right wing ideologues which means more twisting of the laws to favor the top 1% at the expense of the rest of us. Give Obama a chance and the recovery seen here will continue and grow stronger. Let's give him a majority in the House and a 60 plus majority in the Senate while we're at it and the things we need to happen to grow our economy and compete in the global market can get done without all of the organized Republican obstructionism that we've all seen for the last four years. The right wing has shown a willingness to see the country go down the tubes rather than let Obama accomplish anything. In spite of that, he's accomplished quite a lot.

* "unemployment already skyrocketing" - FactCheck.org reports this:
Repeated Job Loss Claim - Romney's claim that Obama "stood watch over the greatest job loss in modern American history" is also wrong, as we've noted before. The truth is more jobs were lost under Bush than Obama, and most of the jobs lost since he took office have now been regained. Since we wrote about this last year, the BLS has revised its statistics slightly for improved accuracy, as it does every year. The latest data show that "total nonfarm employment" (the standard measure of jobs) declined by nearly 8.8 million between its most recent peak in January 2008 and when the job slump bottomed out more than two years later, in February 2010. Of those lost jobs, nearly 4.5 million disappeared while Bush was president, and just over 4.3 million vanished during Obama's first 13 months in office. And since the job totals hit bottom there have been slow and steady gains, totaling nearly 3.6 million jobs. The total for March (released April 6) stood just 740,000 short of where it was in January 2009 when Obama was inaugurated.


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Great, another bash Bush thread.
 
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Not quite true. A lot of these "opinions" (I'd call them deceptive mudderings myself) are meant to mislead, to amke something seem other than the facts would support. To be factually accurate, it is not important whether there is less today than when Bush took over, but how much he is perosnally responsible for the drop and what then increase means. Anyone merely saying it is less today is likely trying to set forth a misprecetption, a causal relationship, a causal fallacy.

I agree with your first sentence, which is why claiming people are lying is pointless.
 
First there was no surplus when Bush took office. In no year during clintons office did the national debt go down.
In clintons last budget the deficit was 133.29 billion the national debt was 5.807463 trillion.
I am not excusing the spending of Bush, but he did not start with surplus. And Obama is spending at a faster rate than Bush.
As far as republicans being in Obamas way for 4 years it is only actually 2. Dems had control for his first 2 years in office. Remember Pelosi as Speaker of the House?
If the job market is so great why did we hit an all time high in food stamps?

There was a budget surplus in that the Treasury took in more revenue than went out. BUT, that was moot, because part of the revenue was borrowed from social security (which is why debt went up). And they simply spent the surplus the next year. Its not like they saved it, paid off debt or gave it back to the people.
 
There are fewer people working today than in January 2009, there has been a net loss of jobs every month of obama's term. Yes, jobs were created, but more were lost----there was a NET LOSS. Thats the part of the BLS stats that obama never mentions--------net job loss every month.

Romney is telling the truth, Obama is lying. Tomorrow the lying ends.
 
There are fewer people working today than in January 2009, there has been a net loss of jobs every month of obama's term. Yes, jobs were created, but more were lost----there was a NET LOSS. Thats the part of the BLS stats that obama never mentions--------net job loss every month.

Romney is telling the truth, Obama is lying. Tomorrow the lying ends.


Of course most of those losses are in the public sector, government jobs, which is what republicans argue for, shrinking government. Odd that you criticize him for doing what you want.


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Our point here is that Obama’s jobs record can be made to look better or worse, depending on what’s being counted, and when.

FactCheck.org : Obama’s Economic Sleight of Hand
 
Of course most of those losses are in the public sector, government jobs, which is what republicans argue for, shrinking government. Odd that you criticize him for doing what you want.


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Our point here is that Obama’s jobs record can be made to look better or worse, depending on what’s being counted, and when.

FactCheck.org : Obama’s Economic Sleight of Hand



its become an academic discussion. Now we will get to see what Romney's policies will do. the obama era is over.
 
its become an academic discussion. Now we will get to see what Romney's policies will do. the obama era is over.

As I understand it, the prediction form economist is that it will improve, as I've been saying, regardless of wins. This means whoever wins will take credit they don't likely deserve. Will you give credit if Obama wins, or only is Romney wins?
 
As I understand it, the prediction form economist is that it will improve, as I've been saying, regardless of wins. This means whoever wins will take credit they don't likely deserve. Will you give credit if Obama wins, or only is Romney wins?

I disagree with those that say that 4 more years of obama will result in improvements. There is nothing to substantiate that claim. How can more deficits and larger debt, coupled with obamacare and higher taxes help the economy?? Sorry, I just don't think its possible.
 
I disagree with those that say that 4 more years of obama will result in improvements. There is nothing to substantiate that claim. How can more deficits and larger debt, coupled with obamacare and higher taxes help the economy?? Sorry, I just don't think its possible.

There is once you realize presidents don't control this. It has to do with the cycle. Presidents blow smoke hoping they'll be sitting in the chair when the music stops so they can take credit.
 
There is once you realize presidents don't control this. It has to do with the cycle. Presidents blow smoke hoping they'll be sitting in the chair when the music stops so they can take credit.

nothing obama or the dem controlled congress has done will cause the economy to cycle upward. Now, if the GOP captures the senate and retains control of the house, so that they can shut obama down, then maybe the economy will react positively. If obama wins, thats the only hope for the economy.
 
nothing obama or the dem controlled congress has done will cause the economy to cycle upward. Now, if the GOP captures the senate and retains control of the house, so that they can shut obama down, then maybe the economy will react positively. If obama wins, thats the only hope for the economy.

You're missing the point. It cycles on it's own. No president controls it. Nor does congress for that matter.
 
You're missing the point. It cycles on it's own. No president controls it. Nor does congress for that matter.

to some extent thats correct, but government policies can interrupt the cycles. thats what we are seeing now, the economy should be in an up cycle, but its not because of obama's failed policies.
 
to some extent thats correct, but government policies can interrupt the cycles. thats what we are seeing now, the economy should be in an up cycle, but its not because of obama's failed policies.

Only to a minor degree. The larger problem and responsibility is debt, deficit spending. However, that all too often keeps people working. Remember, down sizing government means downsizing jobs. There may be reason to do it, but you can't do it and then whine that unemployment is up.

And no, the economy went rather far down. And the new realities (off shoring and Walmartization) complicate things. But government does not control those things. In order for it to, we'd have to become like China, which is what most people wrongly (as in inaccurately) charge Obama with.
 
If you were expecting the honest truth from the party of no, I don't know what to say.

Your post proves you dont know how to read a chart..
 
There are fewer people working today than in January 2009, there has been a net loss of jobs every month of obama's term. Yes, jobs were created, but more were lost----there was a NET LOSS. Thats the part of the BLS stats that obama never mentions--------net job loss every month.

Romney is telling the truth, Obama is lying. Tomorrow the lying ends.

More right wing lies and BS.

The latest report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that there are now about 580,000 more people employed than when Obama took office.
 
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