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Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Who is "full of sh/t" is that CEO. From the article used by the OP as "proof":


Marchionne said that any Jeep production in China would be for the Chinese market, and that the company would not take any production away from Chrysler's U.S. plants. Rather, he said, Chrysler is adding jobs and investment at its Ohio plant.

It used to be American cars for overseas were made in the USA and shipped there. So the claim that Jeep is shifting to production in China is 100% accurate!
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

I guess you didn't read the comment he was responding to... which was that Chevy's CEO was talking smack to Donald Trump... keep up with that if you're going to comment...


Yeah the poster mistake. So what? The topic is still about Jeep not Chevy.

Any hows Chevys are already manufactured in China.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Again, though... considering the OP... it's amazing how many people are avoiding comment on the source articles which back Mitt Romney's advertisement

These are numerous articles, with an interview of Michael Manley, Jeep's Managing Company's CEO... in which he says they're looking into moving production to China and Italy... in attempts to cut costs...

This is EXACTLY what Romney's ad indicated... and yet, it's still being reported that Romney's ad lied... It did not... It pointed out the truth, and Marchionne is in cover-up mode... trying to save face for Chrysler and keep Obama in power, for more potential bail-out funds if needed...

Right... because Marchione would never say anything different?

Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China | AutoGuide.com News

Weakness in the European auto market lead to slow sales for Chrysler but strong demand in China buoyed the brand. In fact, business in China is good enough that Chrysler might transplant its manufacturing operations. Should brand execs pull the trigger, it would mark the first time Chrysler built Jeeps in China since before 2009 when Fiat took a stake in the company.

That contradicts what Fiat-Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said almost a year ago amid concerns that Wrangler production might move from its current plant in Toledo, Ohio.

“This plant has been at the heart of what we’ve done. I’ve said publicly that I would never build the Wrangler outside the U.S. and outside of Toledo. These are things that are unthinkable — to assemble a Wrangler somewhere else,” Marchionne said in November, 2011.

But what was unthinkable a year ago might not seem so foreign. Manufacturing Jeep products in China could help the company save money while feeding a growing market with reduced expenses.

Mike Manley, Fiat Chrysler’s COO in Asia, seems bullish of the possibility. “The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” he, said to Bloomberg. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity.”

Jeep’s sales in China more than doubled this year to 33,463 units through September, which could encourage the move further.

Despite that, moving all of the brand’s production to China wouldn’t sit well with American consumers.


Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.


Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion - Businessweek

To counter the severe slump in European sales, Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said.

“This makes sense on multiple levels” as it will boost plant utilization and would cap “Chrysler’s own potential, limiting the likely cost to Fiat shareholders of buying out the Chrysler minorities,” Stuart Pearson, an analyst at Morgan Stanley in London, said in a note to investors today. “However we see no quick answers, and fear debt could surprise negatively first,” said Pearson, who rates the stock underweight with a target price at 3.90 euros.

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy | National Legal and Policy Center

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy
Submitted by Mark Modica on Tue, 10/29/2012 - 10:53


Coming hot on the heels of speculation that some Jeep production may be moved to China comes a bombshell from a Bloomberg report. Fiat is now considering moving Chrysler and Jeep production to Italy.

According to the piece, "To counter the severe slump in European sales, (Fiat CEO Sergio) Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said."


So, let's be real clear here, we are talking about vehicles that will be built in Italy and exported to America. The evidence is clear that Fiat is looking at ways to move production of vehicles from the US to elsewhere, whether it be China or Italy, costing American jobs. This is becoming indisputable, despite outcries from certain parties to the contrary.

Mitt Romney has rightfully criticized the Obama Administration for handing over Chrysler to the Italians and now leaving the fate of American workers in the hands of Fiat management. Fiat is not a healthy company and the auto industry is in as great a risk as ever. The insistence that all is well by those with political motivations does not mask the danger. More jobs are at risk of being lost and more taxpayer money may be lost as well.




So... Chronologically what happened is...

After abysmal sales reports from Q1, Q2, and Q3... Chrysler starts looking into ways to cut costs...

They mull around ideas of moving production to China and/or Italy...

It becomes leaked to the press that they are doing so...

Romney sees this and puts it in an ad... taken from legitimate sources... and told as "may move production to China"...

The UAW gets word of it gets pissy about the potential of losing their jobs, and protests at plants...

The CEO at Chrysler now faced with potential riots at his plants says it's not true, to appease the UAW...

The liberal media jump on the opportunity to call Mitt Romney a liar... when in fact the ad he made was based off actual reports of Chrysler's own words...



And now you're calling Romney a liar? LMFAO!!!

Romney is right; Chrysler is considering it... there are several stories reporting it...

Marchionne has motivation to deny that it's going to happen... but he can't cover up the fact that these stories are in print out there that show they've been looking into it... Marchionne is the lying Italian in all of this... That's even been his reputation in Italy...

So tell me... Are these reporters who have been covering the Chrysler persistent finance problems and negotations with Chinese manufacturers and the Italian government lying? Or is it that they have been going on in Chrysler's attempts to solve it's financial problems, and Marchionne trying to cover up for an unpopular move?

So... enough with the side distractions... how about those of you who called Romney a liar... or who said Chrysler and Jeep aren't considering moving production to China/Italy... address these sources in which that's exactly what Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat are discussing...
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Because, as I already said... and I know you have trouble comprehending things the first few times...

"I also mistakingly put Jeep instead of Hummer... sorry... (I know so confusing putting Jeep instead of Hummer for the maker of the Jeep Humvee)

GM still shut down ALL of the brands I mentioned... (Hummer, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, BF Goodrich... and off loaded SAAB)

I mentioned that as an example that the detroit car companies are more than capable of closing down or moving production at any time..."


Suggesting there's no way that Chrysler would move Jeep production to China/Italy is ridiculous... especially with the numerous business articles out there which have documented Chrysler and Jeep's negotiation with the manufacturers in China and the Italian government....

I've already linked to several of those sources... you still continue to fail to address them... because as I said, it defeats your attack entirely...

So you did not know what was being talked about, and instead of trying to talk about the topic, you continue to babble about random crap that has nothing to do with what the rest of us are talking about? Here is an odd idea...how about talking about Jeep and Chrysler instead of continuing to be wrong. It might work better for you.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Yeah the poster mistake. So what? The topic is still about Jeep not Chevy.

Any hows Chevys are already manufactured in China.

LOTS. Much of the bailout money was used to build GM factories in China. Obama borrowed money for China to give to GM to permanently shift auto production and jobs to China. Taxpayers now pay the interest on those loans from China to create jobs in China.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

LOTS. Much of the bailout money was used to build GM factories in China. Obama borrowed money for China to give to GM to permanently shift auto production and jobs to China. Taxpayers now pay the interest on those loans from China to create jobs in China.

PolitiFact | Ad claims GM used bailout money to boost China operations
FactCheck.org : Is GM Becoming ‘China Motors’?

Do you think if you tell the same lies often enough people will start to believe them?
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

LOTS. Much of the bailout money was used to build GM factories in China. Obama borrowed money for China to give to GM to permanently shift auto production and jobs to China. Taxpayers now pay the interest on those loans from China to create jobs in China.

Nothing to say about Jeep and Romney's claim?
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Nothing to say about Jeep and Romney's claim?

LMFAO... actually... I've linked numerous sites showing it... and yet, no response... you libs are avoiding it like the plague... that says enough, doesn't it... avoid the truth, make distractions the key focus of your attempts...
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Nothing to say about Jeep and Romney's claim?

Romney's claim was accurate. Jeep admits it is building factories in China to build Jeeps - so that Jeeps sold in China and Asian will no longer be built in the USA.

100% accurate by Romney. Of course the CEO of Chrysler and GM rage. Romney isn't going to just give them each a hundred million dollars for their own pockets like Obama did in Obama's endless welfare programs for the super-rich.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Romney's claim was accurate. Jeep admits it is building factories in China to build Jeeps - so that Jeeps sold in China and Asian will no longer be built in the USA.

100% accurate by Romney. Of course the CEO of Chrysler and GM rage. Romney isn't going to just give them each a hundred million dollars for their own pockets like Obama did in Obama's endless welfare programs for the super-rich.

Question: Is bailed-out Chrysler outsourcing jobs in Ohio to China?

Answer: Mitt Romney first told a crowd in Ohio that Chrysler was shifting the production of Jeeps to China. Then he aired an ad claiming that President Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.” (The clear impression in the ad is that American jobs will be lost.)

Neither is true.

Jeep sales have nearly tripled since 2009, according to Chrysler, and the company has added 4,600 jobs to its Jeep plants since then. Another 1,100 jobs will be added at an Ohio plant next year.

Sales of Jeep in China have grown in recent years and Chrysler plans to resume vehicle production there, but not at the expense of American jobs.

Chrysler, by the way, paid back its loans from the federal government six years early. During the most recent three months, it reported net income of $381 million, up 80 percent from $212 million a year earlier.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/art...ampaign-fact-check-Romney-Jeep?nclick_check=1
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Question: Is bailed-out Chrysler outsourcing jobs in Ohio to China?

Answer: Mitt Romney first told a crowd in Ohio that Chrysler was shifting the production of Jeeps to China. Then he aired an ad claiming that President Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.” (The clear impression in the ad is that American jobs will be lost.)

Neither is true.

Jeep sales have nearly tripled since 2009, according to Chrysler, and the company has added 4,600 jobs to its Jeep plants since then. Another 1,100 jobs will be added at an Ohio plant next year.

Sales of Jeep in China have grown in recent years and Chrysler plans to resume vehicle production there, but not at the expense of American jobs.

Chrysler, by the way, paid back its loans from the federal government six years early. During the most recent three months, it reported net income of $381 million, up 80 percent from $212 million a year earlier.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/art...ampaign-fact-check-Romney-Jeep?nclick_check=1

Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China | AutoGuide.com News

Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion - Businessweek

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy | National Legal and Policy Center
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Chevy/Jeep CEO Sergio Marchionne responded to Donald Trump's continued use of the Romney lie that Jeep is shipping jobs to China by frankly saying "You're full of sh*t". Since the lie is being repeated by Romney and his noise machine, it's clear what Romney is full of.

Another conservative meme busted.



Ralph Gilles, Chrysler Executive, Lashes Out At Donald Trump

The only meme here is Sergio Marchionne.......

Phuking collectivists...... They're like dogs.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

But shouldn't GM try to build those cars here with American workers, and then ship them to China (like on American vessels)?

I thought the goal of GM's operations is to maximize profit, not to build cars with U.S. labor and employ U.S. logistics?!?!?¡¡
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]


LMFAO... so Michael Manley (the CEO of Jeep) says they're thinking about doing it... and then it hits the fan, and in damage control the Chrysler big wigs try to do damage control when it comes out how unpopular the action is...

That doesn't negate the fact that it's on record they've been in negotiations with the Italian government trying to get a tax break if they move production there... and that they're in negotiation with Chinese auto manufacturers on moving Jeep production to China, and that Fiat is going to develop a Jeep like car and have it manufactued in China for sale in North America...

IT'S ON RECORD ALREADY... THEY CAN'T ERASE THEIR RECORD... JUST LIKE OBAMA CAN'T...

Neo Nazi's in Germany can deny the Holocaust... but facts are there to show it happened...

Japanese government officials will deny that the rape of Nanking happened... but facts are there to show it happened...

Chrysler execs can deny these negotiations are occuring... but these articles are there to show they happened...

Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China | AutoGuide.com News

Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion - Businessweek

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy | National Legal and Policy Center
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

There are hacks-a-plenty on both sides, and liars-a-plenty on both sides.... spending a little time on DP during an election year is proof enough of that.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Of course you must remember the that CEO of Chrysler and GM are liberal commie hacks. as is anyone who disagrees with Romney or calls him out
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Question: Is bailed-out Chrysler outsourcing jobs in Ohio to China?

Answer: Mitt Romney first told a crowd in Ohio that Chrysler was shifting the production of Jeeps to China. Then he aired an ad claiming that President Obama “sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.” (The clear impression in the ad is that American jobs will be lost.)

Neither is true.

Jeep sales have nearly tripled since 2009, according to Chrysler, and the company has added 4,600 jobs to its Jeep plants since then. Another 1,100 jobs will be added at an Ohio plant next year.

Sales of Jeep in China have grown in recent years and Chrysler plans to resume vehicle production there, but not at the expense of American jobs.

Chrysler, by the way, paid back its loans from the federal government six years early. During the most recent three months, it reported net income of $381 million, up 80 percent from $212 million a year earlier.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/art...ampaign-fact-check-Romney-Jeep?nclick_check=1

In exchange, Fiat will get an additional 16 percent stake in the company, raising its stake to 46 percent. Fiat also can get another 5 percent after it begins making a 40 mpg car in the U.S. That would give it 51 percent ownership and full control of the company.


Read more: Chrysler to Repay $7.5 Billion of Govt Bailout Loan

FIAT IS FRANCE. 51% is "ownership." So the US government saved Chrysler for France in OBAMA's BANKRUPTCY PLAN for Chrysler.

And, French-Chrysler IS shifting USA production of foreign export vehicles from the USA to China.

What Obama did was save union retiree's pensions. That was OBAMA'S bankruptcy plan. Romney's bankrupcy plan was to save Chrysler as an American company - which would have happened had Obama not circumvented normal bankrupcy laws.

NO RATIONAL AMERICAN would buy Chrysler stock. The ONLY way to make Chrsyler viable for investment after Obama's actions is to shift it to being no longer under Obama-law - to instead becoming under French law. Obama's actions literally required Chrysler to become a foreign company producing in China. THAT is the reality.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

LMFAO... so Michael Manley (the CEO of Jeep) says they're thinking about doing it... and then it hits the fan, and in damage control the Chrysler big wigs try to do damage control when it comes out how unpopular the action is...

That doesn't negate the fact that it's on record they've been in negotiations with the Italian government trying to get a tax break if they move production there... and that they're in negotiation with Chinese auto manufacturers on moving Jeep production to China, and that Fiat is going to develop a Jeep like car and have it manufactued in China for sale in North America...

IT'S ON RECORD ALREADY... THEY CAN'T ERASE THEIR RECORD... JUST LIKE OBAMA CAN'T...

Neo Nazi's in Germany can deny the Holocaust... but facts are there to show it happened...

Japanese government officials will deny that the rape of Nanking happened... but facts are there to show it happened...

Chrysler execs can deny these negotiations are occuring... but these articles are there to show they happened...

Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China | AutoGuide.com News

Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion - Businessweek

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy | National Legal and Policy Center

Speculation vs what is actually on the record:

"I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China," Marchionne wrote.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

In exchange, Fiat will get an additional 16 percent stake in the company, raising its stake to 46 percent. Fiat also can get another 5 percent after it begins making a 40 mpg car in the U.S. That would give it 51 percent ownership and full control of the company.


Read more: Chrysler to Repay $7.5 Billion of Govt Bailout Loan

FIAT IS FRANCE. 51% is "ownership." So the US government saved Chrysler for France in OBAMA's BANKRUPTCY PLAN for Chrysler.

And, French-Chrysler IS shifting USA production of foreign export vehicles from the USA to China.

What Obama did was save union retiree's pensions. That was OBAMA'S bankruptcy plan. Romney's bankrupcy plan was to save Chrysler as an American company - which would have happened had Obama not circumvented normal bankrupcy laws.

NO RATIONAL AMERICAN would buy Chrysler stock. The ONLY way to make Chrsyler viable for investment after Obama's actions is to shift it to being no longer under Obama-law - to instead becoming under French law. Obama's actions literally required Chrysler to become a foreign company producing in China. THAT is the reality.

lol

Fiat is Italy, not France. Chrysler was previously owned by the Germans (Mercedes). It doesn't matter much who owns it as long as they're headquartered here and they build cars here.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

LMFAO... so Michael Manley (the CEO of Jeep) says they're thinking about doing it... and then it hits the fan, and in damage control the Chrysler big wigs try to do damage control when it comes out how unpopular the action is...

That doesn't negate the fact that it's on record they've been in negotiations with the Italian government trying to get a tax break if they move production there... and that they're in negotiation with Chinese auto manufacturers on moving Jeep production to China, and that Fiat is going to develop a Jeep like car and have it manufactued in China for sale in North America...

IT'S ON RECORD ALREADY... THEY CAN'T ERASE THEIR RECORD... JUST LIKE OBAMA CAN'T...

Neo Nazi's in Germany can deny the Holocaust... but facts are there to show it happened...

Japanese government officials will deny that the rape of Nanking happened... but facts are there to show it happened...

Chrysler execs can deny these negotiations are occuring... but these articles are there to show they happened...

Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China | AutoGuide.com News

Marchionne Seen Missing Fiat Sales Target by $19 Billion - Businessweek

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

AUTO BAILOUT BOMBSHELL: Fiat Says Chrysler, Jeep Production May Move to Italy | National Legal and Policy Center

Here, let me quote your source for the other sources(the Bloomberg article):

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your lies and propaganda.
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

lol

Fiat is Italy, not France. Chrysler was previously owned by the Germans (Mercedes). It doesn't matter much who owns it as long as they're headquartered here and they build cars here.

Chrysler has never been owned by Germans. It was founded by a guy by the name of Chrysler hence the name. As was Dodge and Plymouth, Ford, Oldsmobile etc. Mercedes Benz was and is German as well as American
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Who is "full of sh/t" is that CEO. From the article used by the OP as "proof":


Marchionne said that any Jeep production in China would be for the Chinese market, and that the company would not take any production away from Chrysler's U.S. plants. Rather, he said, Chrysler is adding jobs and investment at its Ohio plant.

It used to be American cars for overseas were made in the USA and shipped there. So the claim that Jeep is shifting to production in China is 100% accurate!

The only markets in which US made cars by US automakers had any significant exports/sales is the middle east, some parts of latin America(South and central) and Mexico/Canada

GM and Ford and large manufacturing operations in Europe and very very few US made cars are and were exported there. Both GM and Ford have significant manufacturing operations in South America. The vast majority of Ford and GM sales in the past and present that were made in foreign markets were made in foreign markets.


Also the claim was not that Jeep was going to produce cars in China (again) but that it was going to shut down its US operations and manufacture Jeeps in China, not the US
 
re: Chevy CEO to Romney and his Hacks: "Lies are just that, Lies" [W:114]

Chrysler has never been owned by Germans. It was founded by a guy by the name of Chrysler hence the name. As was Dodge and Plymouth, Ford, Oldsmobile etc. Mercedes Benz was and is German as well as American

Actually it was... happened in 1998. Granted it was said it was a "merger of equals" but that was bull****.
 
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