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Bias: Even here at DP

Boo Radley said:
No, I never said that. And I told you that you were misrepresenting me.
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But you DO agree that dems/libs would make that argument - that Obama is the wors President we've ever had - if Obama had a (R) next to his name.
 
H. Lee White said:
Wait...
You agree that Obama is the worst president we've ever had, but you believe Romney will be worse?
Really?
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That's close to my opinion. Obama has failed, and I think Romney is likely to as well.

"Worst we've ever had" is a loaded description that means you have to talk about the worst Presidents we've had. Putting him ahead of folks like John Tyler, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover...that might be a stretch.
 
OscarB63 said:
well....duh. since most of their "analysts" and reporters are conservatives and they air broadcasts by people like Bill O'Riley, Sean hannity and Ann Coulter it is obvious that they have a definite slant to the right.
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Thank you for that.
 
H. Lee White said:
But you DO agree that dems/libs would make that argument - that Obama is the wors President we've ever had - if Obama had a (R) next to his name.
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That they would make make the same argument. Playing the partisan card, and not that it is factually true. Partisans tend to be hyperbolic.
 
Panopticon said:
but where you continue to happily watch it, we ignore msnbc. Case closed, really
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you have no idea what I do or do not watch, so your uninformed assuption is worthless. I get most of my news from da interbebs, and we all know they can't put it on the internet if it isn't true ;) I watch FOX, CNN, local news, drudge, and a whole host of other websites. hell....i even check out the 'huffington post" on a regular basis.

If I see/hear something on FOX, I will checkout other sources to see what they have to say on the issue.


you act like msnbc is the only left biased news source on TV...case closed (just like your mind), really
 
Masada said:
Anyone who is intellectually honest sees the blatant double standards in our main stream media. .
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The "libral media conspiracy" meme. It never ceases to entertain.

The real issue is why do teabaggers continue to repeat this absurd meme. The answer is that on the merits of any policy issue reported on by the media, conservatives cannot prevail.
 
Panopticon said:
Youre not being honest. Thats not the conclusion that all TV news is equal AT ALL. Ill repeat what your bias made you ignore:
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yeah, nothing dishonest at all. where in your precious little study does it show that people who watch sunday morning news shows DEPEND on TV for their news?

it is entirely possible that people who watch sunday morning news are also more likely to augment their knowledge from other sources. also note the plural here (sunday morning news showS)...multiple sources always give more information

to be truly definitive, a study would have to isolate the subjects and have one group watch Fox and another group watch a sunday morning news show and then test them to see which group was more informed.
 
head of joaquin said:
The "libral media conspiracy" meme. It never ceases to entertain.

The real issue is why do teabaggers continue to repeat this absurd meme. The answer is that on the merits of any policy issue reported on by the media, conservatives cannot prevail.
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anyone who uses derogatory or demeaning labels to describe groups they disagree with doesn't have a leg to stand on when talking about bias. that goes for both sides of the spectrum.
 
Me too, and if it is not covered by others, usually it is not because the other stations are covering it up, it is because it is another FoxRage (I just made that up.)
OscarB63 said:
you have no idea what I do or do not watch, so your uninformed assuption is worthless. I get most of my news from da interbebs, and we all know they can't put it on the internet if it isn't true ;) I watch FOX, CNN, local news, drudge, and a whole host of other websites. hell....i even check out the 'huffington post" on a regular basis.

If I see/hear something on FOX, I will checkout other sources to see what they have to say on the issue.


you act like msnbc is the only left biased news source on TV...case closed (just like your mind), really
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OscarB63 said:
yeah, nothing dishonest at all. where in your precious little study does it show that people who watch sunday morning news shows DEPEND on TV for their news?

it is entirely possible that people who watch sunday morning news are also more likely to augment their knowledge from other sources. also note the plural here (sunday morning news showS)...multiple sources always give more information

to be truly definitive, a study would have to isolate the subjects and have one group watch Fox and another group watch a sunday morning news show and then test them to see which group was more informed.
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Youre talking nonsense. And its your media bias making you do so.

NPR and Sunday morning political talk shows are the most informative news outlets, while exposure to partisan sources, such as Fox News and MSNBC, has a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge.

People who watch MSNBC and CNN exclusively can answer more questions about domestic events than people who watch no news at all. People who only watch Fox did much worse. NPR listeners answered more questions correctly than people in any other category.

The largest effect is that of Fox News: all else being equal, someone who watched only Fox News would be expected to answer just 1.04 domestic questions correctly — a figure which is significantly worse than if they had reported watching no media at all. On the other hand, if they listened only to NPR, they would be expected to answer 1.51 questions correctly
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http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...est-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
 
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OscarB63 said:
anyone who uses derogatory or demeaning labels to describe groups they disagree with doesn't have a leg to stand on when talking about bias. that goes for both sides of the spectrum.
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This, from a conservative! Wonderful!
 
Panopticon said:
Youre talking nonsense. And its your media bias making you do so.




http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...est-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/
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still missing the point. nothing in that study shows that people don't get news from other sources besides TV. just because someone watches XYZ News "exclusively" doesn't mean they don't read a paper or surf the web. it just means that XYZ News is the only news show they watch on TV.



which still has absolutely nothing to do with your original claim about bias. your attempt to change the topic can only be viewed as an admission that you have zippo to back up your original claim and rather than manning up and admitting it, you try to divert to a new line of argument.
 
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head of joaquin said:
This, from a conservative! Wonderful!
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truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. the fact that you focus on me being a conservative instead of what I actually said (particularly the bit "that goes for both sides of the spectrum") shows your bias.
 
OscarB63 said:
still missing the point. nothing in that study shows that people don't get news from other sources besides TV. just because someone watches XYZ News "exclusively" doesn't mean they don't read a paper or surf the web. it just means that XYZ News is the only news show they watch on TV.



which still has absolutely nothing to do with your original claim about bias. your attempt to change the topic can only be viewed as an admission that you have zippo to back up your original claim and rather than manning up and admitting it, you try to divert to a new line of argument.
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What the hell is up with such dishonesty? cant you read words such as "exclusively" "only"? Youre not worth it other than as a study example of media bias, not to mention, a product of the media that has the most ill informed viewers, more ill informed than people who dont watch any news at all
 
I have long said there many many "facts" only Fox news and the far right knows. I would say that is probably about 20% or so of the nation. What if they are right and the rest of the world is wrong? I guess it could be.
 
AdamT said:
He is talking about relative bias between two admittedly biased sites. Conservatives cannot even admit that Fox IS biased.
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And the "relative bias" always seems to confirm that it's worse on the Right.

I personally don't know any conservatives that adamantly refuse to acknowledge any bias on right-leaning outlets like Fox, but I know hordes of liberals who will scream until blue in the face that Fox - the outlet they happen to disagree with most - is "the worst." Is that really any different?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
And the "relative bias" always seems to confirm that it's worse on the Right.

I personally don't know any conservatives that adamantly refuse to acknowledge any bias on right-leaning outlets like Fox, but I know hordes of liberals who will scream until blue in the face that Fox - the outlet they happen to disagree with most - is "the worst." Is that really any different?
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when youre using research as the basis of your argument, its nothing like screaming - especially in comparison to someone who isnt using research. And pretty much all the "liberals" here diss msnbc much more than the "cons" are dissing fox. For example, I refuse to watch msnbc. Thats a MUCH more consistent and honest approach.
 
AdamT said:
Fox and MSNBC are both biased. The difference is that liberals understand, and have no problem admitting that MSNBC is biased. Conservatives are simply living on a different planet.
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once again you have it wrong, Adam. Fox news is fair and balanced and gives equal time to both sides. Hannity is not fox news. O'Reilly leans right but he goes overboard giving equal time to the left. But if you will notice, many leftists will not come on O'Reilly because they do not want to deal with real questions. They cannot survive when the truth comes out about both sides.

Liberalism always loses when both sides are given equal time. And that is why obama will be defeated next tuesday
 
Panopticon said:
What the hell is up with such dishonesty? cant you read words such as "exclusively" "only"? Youre not worth it other than as a study example of media bias, not to mention, a product of the media that has the most ill informed viewers, more ill informed than people who dont watch any news at all
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ignoring the context such as "exclusively WATCH" or 'only WATCH". still doesn't say jack **** about bias...which was the orignal claim you made, which you have now dishonestly attempted to avoid.

people who exclusively drink jack daniels get drunk more often than people who don't drink alcohol at all. doesn't say zippo about any other fluids they drink (not that I expect you to understand the analogy)
 
Panopticon said:
when youre using research as the basis of your argument, its nothing like screaming - especially in comparison to someone who isnt using research. And pretty much all the "liberals" here diss msnbc much more than the "cons" are dissing fox. For example, I refuse to watch msnbc. Thats a MUCH more consistent and honest approach.
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research that you insist exists but have repeated failed to provide? somehow, i am singularly unimpressed :lamo
 
Giving the left equal time is flat funny. I would say it is possible they talk equally about them both but it is all good for the RWer and all bad for the left. But hey I guess it could be consdiered equal time.
Bobcat said:
once again you have it wrong, Adam. Fox news is fair and balanced and gives equal time to both sides. Hannity is not fox news. O'Reilly leans right but he goes overboard giving equal time to the left. But if you will notice, many leftists will not come on O'Reilly because they do not want to deal with real questions. They cannot survive when the truth comes out about both sides.

Liberalism always loses when both sides are given equal time. And that is why obama will be defeated next tuesday
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Bobcat said:
once again you have it wrong, Adam. Fox news is fair and balanced and gives equal time to both sides. Hannity is not fox news. O'Reilly leans right but he goes overboard giving equal time to the left. But if you will notice, many leftists will not come on O'Reilly because they do not want to deal with real questions. They cannot survive when the truth comes out about both sides.

Liberalism always loses when both sides are given equal time. And that is why obama will be defeated next tuesday
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liberals seem incapable of understanding that not everything that is on FOX is, or is intended to be, "news'. there is a difference between "news' and 'political commentary'. from what I've seen....most of what is presented on FOX falls into the category of political commentary and not "news"
 
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Bobcat said:
once again you have it wrong, Adam. Fox news is fair and balanced and gives equal time to both sides. Hannity is not fox news. O'Reilly leans right but he goes overboard giving equal time to the left. But if you will notice, many leftists will not come on O'Reilly because they do not want to deal with real questions. They cannot survive when the truth comes out about both sides.

Liberalism always loses when both sides are given equal time. And that is why obama will be defeated next tuesday
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The reverso meme in all its glory. The fact is that Fox News has been repeatedly exposed as broadcasting lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations, so the meme is to claim it's telling the truth against the falsehood of the mystical "libral media conspiracy".

This is the best expression of this silly meme I've seen for a while. Ripped right from some teabagger website, I presume.
 
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