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Voting Johnson is not throwing vote away

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The Five Percent Threshold « Current Events « PostLibertarian

If Gary Johnson can secure 5% of the popular vote this November the Libertarian party may have a shot at making some noise in the 2016 presidential election. Some people view voting for Johnson as throwing their vote away or only doing it as a protest vote. Voting Johnson now will likely not get him into office this year however you can be making a difference in the future by breaking up this two party strangle hold that the Democrats and Republicans have on us.
 
This means that a vote for Gary Johnson is not a wasted vote as many claim. In fact, depending on your state, your single vote may do more to close the gap between Johnson and 5% than it will to close the gap between the “two evils.” If Johnson does cross the five percent threshold, your single vote literally increases the amount of funding available to the Libertarian Party to spread their message in the next cycle. This would actually make a vote for Johnson the least wasted vote possible.
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A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. Its that simple.

Every election, 3rd parties candidates and supporters make the same claim the OP does. Election after election, decade after decade. 3rd Party candidates are spoilers at best, spoilers for the other side.

Johnson's candidacy is to retaliate against Republicans for not supporting him and to try to form his own little ego-stroking clique, nothing else.
 
many of us thought the same thing and voted for Perot. That action elected Clinton. If you want more obama, vote Johnson. This is not the election to try to create a viable 3rd party.

The people pushing this are most likely obama supporters.
 
I made a protest vote against George HW Bush by voting for Ross Perot, thinking that I was sending a message to Bush & the GOP. Instead, we got 8 years of Slick Willy Clinton. I wish I could take that protest vote back.
 
muciti said:
The Five Percent Threshold « Current Events « PostLibertarian

If Gary Johnson can secure 5% of the popular vote this November the Libertarian party may have a shot at making some noise in the 2016 presidential election. Some people view voting for Johnson as throwing their vote away or only doing it as a protest vote. Voting Johnson now will likely not get him into office this year however you can be making a difference in the future by breaking up this two party strangle hold that the Democrats and Republicans have on us.
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Really? I should vote for a third-party candidate. A few years ago, I thought that was the answer: Send a powerful message to both parties that they were ****ing up. I may do just that now that I've thought about it again. Here in Illinois, my vote for Romney will make no difference at all. I'm going to have to think about this.

As more and more people begin voting for third-party candidates, the message to Dems & Reps will be loud and clear: Take off your clown make-up and do what's best for our country, damn it!

If, however, people live in a swing state, then I think they should use their vote to vote for the lesser of two evils.
 
Frankly, think the 3rd party approach is just going nowhere. Bottom line, 3rd party candidates would morph into everything we hate about the major party candidates. Its easy to be purist when you have no chance at winning.
 
muciti said:
The Five Percent Threshold « Current Events « PostLibertarian

If Gary Johnson can secure 5% of the popular vote this November the Libertarian party may have a shot at making some noise in the 2016 presidential election. Some people view voting for Johnson as throwing their vote away or only doing it as a protest vote. Voting Johnson now will likely not get him into office this year however you can be making a difference in the future by breaking up this two party strangle hold that the Democrats and Republicans have on us.
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The only people claiming that are party-tards who want you to vote for their candidate.
 
That's fine. If Johnson gets more backing, then it will be from those in the right who tend to support Republicans. This will just give the Democrats a bigger chance at securing elections. Cool with me.
 
I love how every time this topic comes up people think America is a direct democracy. If the race isn't close in your state you should vote third party if you don't like who will surely win.
 
Thorgasm said:
I love how every time this topic comes up people think America is a direct democracy. If the race isn't close in your state you should vote third party if you don't like who will surely win.
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true, if you are in a solid blue or red state, go ahead and cast your protest vote, no one will care but if it makes you feel good, do it.
 
joko104 said:
A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama. Its that simple.

Every election, 3rd parties candidates and supporters make the same claim the OP does. Election after election, decade after decade. 3rd Party candidates are spoilers at best, spoilers for the other side.

Johnson's candidacy is to retaliate against Republicans for not supporting him and to try to form his own little ego-stroking clique, nothing else.
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no a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson.
 
Thorgasm said:
I love how every time this topic comes up people think America is a direct democracy. If the race isn't close in your state you should vote third party if you don't like who will surely win.
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Yep, it's only close states where the vote could have an impact, so I guess in states like mine (Illinois), people should do whatever.
 
Yes it is. Voting for Johnson is a waste.

Obama or The Constitution

Pick one
 
Bronson said:
Yes it is. Voting for Johnson is a waste.

Obama or The Constitution

Pick one
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Obama is included in The Constitution, Romney isn't. :lol:
 
muciti said:
The Five Percent Threshold « Current Events « PostLibertarian

If Gary Johnson can secure 5% of the popular vote this November the Libertarian party may have a shot at making some noise in the 2016 presidential election. Some people view voting for Johnson as throwing their vote away or only doing it as a protest vote. Voting Johnson now will likely not get him into office this year however you can be making a difference in the future by breaking up this two party strangle hold that the Democrats and Republicans have on us.
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It is vitally important to America's survival that Obama, whose policies are killing America, gets tossed out of office: Hold Your Nose ..And Vote For Romney.

The only way to do that is to elect Romney.

The great majority of those who are planning to vote the Libertarian Party ticket would vote the Republican ticket if the Libertarian Party didn't exist.

Thus voting for the Libertarian Party candidate increases the chances that Obama will win.

In 1992 those otherwise-Republican-voters who voted for Ross Perot wanted to make "a statement" .. but when the smoke cleared and Clinton had won, who they truly disliked more than President George Herbert Bush from the most relevant perspective of political philosophy and policy, the "statement" they made then was "Oh f***!"

And in 2000 when the otherwise-Democrat-voters who voted for the Green Party wanted to make "a statement" .. but when the smoke cleared Dubya had won, who they truly disliked more than Gore from that most relevant perspective of political philosophy and policy, they too could be heard making a "statement" of "S***!"

Making a statement by voting for a third party, espcially one that only a handful of true-believing ideologues fantasize will ever amount to anything, and in an election as tight as this one and where it is crystal clear that voting for The Libertarian Party will most certainly damage Romney's chances of defeating the "Benedict Arnold" Obama ..

.. Is another "Oh f***!" and "S***! waiting to happen ..

.. And at the expense, this time, of thrusting the dagger into America's heart.

Do people really not learn from history's mistakes? Are they thus doomed to repeat these mistakes, this time at America's fatal expense?

Don't do it, people -- don't vote for anyone other than Romney .. or you'll be foolishly actively contributing to the death of America.
 
Fishstyx said:
Frankly, think the 3rd party approach is just going nowhere. Bottom line, 3rd party candidates would morph into everything we hate about the major party candidates. Its easy to be purist when you have no chance at winning.
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I think you are right. That is what happened with the so called freshman class that was voted in under Gingrich. These are the same ones we are now trying to get rid of.

The "freshman class", and Perot are the closest to a viable 3rd party in my lifetime. One turned out to be a kook, the other just more of the same.
 
Ontologuy said:
It is vitally important to America's survival that Obama, whose policies are killing America, gets tossed out of office: Hold Your Nose ..And Vote For Romney.

The only way to do that is to elect Romney.

The great majority of those who are planning to vote the Libertarian Party ticket would vote the Republican ticket if the Libertarian Party didn't exist.

Thus voting for the Libertarian Party candidate increases the chances that Obama will win.

In 1992 those otherwise-Republican-voters who voted for Ross Perot wanted to make "a statement" .. but when the smoke cleared and Clinton had won, who they truly disliked more than President George Herbert Bush from the most relevant perspective of political philosophy and policy, the "statement" they made then was "Oh f***!"

And in 2000 when the otherwise-Democrat-voters who voted for the Green Party wanted to make "a statement" .. but when the smoke cleared Dubya had won, who they truly disliked more than Gore from that most relevant perspective of political philosophy and policy, they too could be heard making a "statement" of "S***!"

Making a statement by voting for a third party, espcially one that only a handful of true-believing ideologues fantasize will ever amount to anything, and in an election as tight as this one and where it is crystal clear that voting for The Libertarian Party will most certainly damage Romney's chances of defeating the "Benedict Arnold" Obama ..

.. Is another "Oh f***!" and "S***! waiting to happen ..

.. And at the expense, this time, of thrusting the dagger into America's heart.

Do people really not learn from history's mistakes? Are they thus doomed to repeat these mistakes, this time at America's fatal expense?

Don't do it, people -- don't vote for anyone other than Romney .. or you'll be foolishly actively contributing to the death of America.
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Making the lesser of two evils argument? There is another choice.
 
The majority of individuals would agree that our government is not working. There is a reason it is so easy for Democrats to point out the stupidity of the Republicans and why it is so easy for the Republicans to point out the stupidity of the Democrats. Its because both parties continually do stupid things and make you think it is the other sides fault. These parties have you all so scared of the other party that they keep you voting theirs no matter how stupid your own party is.
 
muciti said:
Making the lesser of two evils argument? There is another choice.
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There is only one choice: to save America by voting for Romney.

Casting what would have been a Romney vote for a meaningless going-nowhere dead political party that has never been a player, never will be a player, and simply can't win is tantamount to increasing Obama's chances of winning, and if Obama wins, he'll finish killing off America in his remaining four years.

There is only one choice: to save America by electing Romney.

As I presented in my immediate previous post above, only die-hard true-believing ideologues would purposely punch another hole in a sinking ship thinking that would let the water out. :roll:

Please people, don't do something so incredibly stupid that you'll later guiltily come to regret: don't vote the Libertarian Party.

Cast your vote for Romney instead.

It's the right thing to do by your fellow American citizens.
 
Bobcat said:
many of us thought the same thing and voted for Perot. That action elected Clinton. If you want more obama, vote Johnson. This is not the election to try to create a viable 3rd party.

The people pushing this are most likely obama supporters.
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While I can see your point of view, to me there's not a big difference between Romney and Obama. One is already a failure, the other just hasn't failed yet (but probably will). Given that, I could give a **** who actually wins. I think it's about the same no matter which one.

The other problem is that people would rather vote for the lesser of 2 evils than vote what they believe. If all the people who claimed to be "Libertarian" actually voted for a Libertarian he'd get a significant number of votes right there. Of course I suspect that most "Libertarians" are just Republicans looking for a more fashionable label.

But honestly...either Obamney wins or Obamney wins. Tweelde-dee vs. Tweedle-dum.
 
muciti said:
Making the lesser of two evils argument? There is another choice.
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Believing that there is another choice is like me needing to go to Chicago and my choices are flying and driving, and I decide to walk.

I live in Virginia, a close swing state. I could not live with fact that Obama is still around and Virginia went his way by one vote. Mine

I'm going with the devil I don't know.
 
muciti said:
The majority of individuals would agree that our government is not working. There is a reason it is so easy for Democrats to point out the stupidity of the Republicans and why it is so easy for the Republicans to point out the stupidity of the Democrats. Its because both parties continually do stupid things and make you think it is the other sides fault. These parties have you all so scared of the other party that they keep you voting theirs no matter how stupid your own party is.
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I am all for third parties. Of course, I don't expect anyone to support a party that says, "Government can't solve your problems. Elect me and I won't solve your problems." :lol:
 
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