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Romney competence?

AdamT

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Seems the main selling point for Romney, since he won't really say what his policies are, and he flips faster than a Chinese gymnast, is that he's just a competent fellow. But he sure seems to be running an incompetent campaign. The latest example of that was Romney choosing American Spring Wire as the location to press his big China argument against Obama. Romney, of course, argues that Obama hasn't done enough to protect American trade from the Chinese. The only problem? In 2009, American Spring Wire sought and received protection from the Obama administration against Chinese dumping. DOH!

(CNN) – Despite Mitt Romney's ongoing attack against President Barack Obama for not protecting American businesses against China, the Republican nominee held an event at a company Wednesday that may have benefited from an Obama administration trade action against the country.

Romney held a roundtable discussion on manufacturing with business leaders at American Spring Wire's headquarters in Bedford Heights, Ohio as part of his campaign's three-day bus tour across the Buckeye State.

The same company, along with two steel wire companies from North Carolina and Tennessee, petitioned the government on May 27, 2009 to look into a trade issue, arguing that Chinese firms were selling steel wire products in the U.S. at less than normal value. On June 17, 2009, the Department of Commerce announced a decision to start investigating the problem.

A year later, the International Trade Administration, a division within the Commerce Department, announced it was ordering an "antidumping" duty on "prestressed concrete steel wire" strands from China. It also announced a countervailing duty, aimed to counter subsidized products coming from other countries.

As part of the order, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers were instructed to suspend liquidation on the merchandise from China and "require cash deposits equal to the estimated amount by which the normal value exceeds the U.S. price," according to a Commerce statement issuing the order at the time.

The department regularly issues antidumping and countervailing duty orders on products being imported at unfair prices-a policy in place before Obama took office. Under his administration, more than 53 such orders have been issued, 39 of which have been against China.

Romney's campaign, however, argued the president "deserves no credit" for enforcing policies that have already been in place.

China conundrum: Romney event site benefited from Obama trade action – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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How incompetent is that? Of all the companies in the U.S. to pick to deliver your trade protection message, you pick one that benefitted enormously from the Obama administration's trade policy intervention?

Romney also claims that Obama hasn't done enough to force the Chinese to inflate their currency. Last week it was announced that China's yuan hit it's highest level versus the dollar in 19 years.
 
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AdamT said:
Seems the main selling point for Romney, since he won't really say what his policies are, and he flips faster than a Chinese gymnast, is that he's just a competent fellow. But he sure seems to be running an incompetent campaign. The latest example of that was Romney choosing American Spring Wire as the location to press his big China argument against Obama. Romney, of course, argues that Obama hasn't done enough to protect American trade from the Chinese. The only problem? In 2009, American Spring Wire sought and received protection from the Obama administration against Chinese dumping. DOH!



How incompetent is that? Of all the companies in the U.S. to pick to deliver your trade protection message, you pick one that benefitted enormously from the Obama administration's trade policy intervention?

Romney also claims that Obama hasn't done enough to force the Chinese to inflate their currency. Last week it was announced that China's yuan hit it's highest level versus the dollar in 19 years.
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We don't need tariffs or other forms of protectionism, we just need to send all the blue collar and union jobs to China as quickly as we can.

Hopefully Romney can use his experience at Bain Capital to make this happen once he is inaugerated as president.
 
More Romney competence? Two days ago Romney picked another company as the site to deliver his economic message that the Obama administration wasn't doing enough to help small businesses. Problem? You guessed it; Kinzler Construction Services, the site Romney chose, received $1.25 million in small business loans from Obama's stimulus program and an additional $650,000 through DOE stimulus programs.

Ames, Iowa (CNN) – The owner of an Iowa construction company where Mitt Romney will deliver a speech on the economy received stimulus funds, according to the government's web site that tracks expenditures from the federal program.

Kevin Kinzler, owner of Kinzler Construction Services, received a $1.25 million dollar loan from the Small Business Administration through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in May of 2009, shortly after the stimulus plan was signed into law by President Obama.

The Recovery.Gov web site describes the loan as being designed "to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace."
In addition to the small business loan, Kinzler Construction Services also received nearly $650,000 in stimulus funds through grants provided by the Department of Energy. The grants were first reported by the left leaning blog, Think Progress.

Romney has made the plight of small businesses a key line of attack on Obama in the final weeks of his campaign.

"I want to make sure that we champion small business, we help small business grow and thrive," Romney said on Thursday in Cincinnati before embarking on a bus tour across the battleground state of Ohio.

The GOP nominee has also repeatedly labeled the stimulus program a failure and accused the president of basing his second term agenda around passing another round of Recovery-type funds.

Romney economic speech at company that received stimulus funds – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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johnny_rebson said:
We don't need tariffs or other forms of protectionism, we just need to send all the blue collar and union jobs to China as quickly as we can.

Hopefully Romney can use his experience at Bain Capital to make this happen once he is inaugerated as president.
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Raise unemployment! Good strategy!
 
AdamT said:
More Romney competence? Two days ago Romney picked another company as the site to deliver his economic message that the Obama administration wasn't doing enough to help small businesses. Problem? You guessed it; Kinzler Construction Services, the site Romney chose, received $1.25 million in small business loans from Obama's stimulus program and an additional $650,000 through DOE stimulus programs.
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Should he have given his speech at a closed company that didn't get funding?
 
MaggieD said:
Should he have given his speech at a closed company that didn't get funding?
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I'd imagine that the best choice would be an open company that hasn't benefitted from Obama's small business assistance.
 
AdamT said:
Seems the main selling point for Romney, since he won't really say what his policies are, and he flips faster than a Chinese gymnast, is that he's just a competent fellow. But he sure seems to be running an incompetent campaign. The latest example of that was Romney choosing American Spring Wire as the location to press his big China argument against Obama. Romney, of course, argues that Obama hasn't done enough to protect American trade from the Chinese. The only problem? In 2009, American Spring Wire sought and received protection from the Obama administration against Chinese dumping. DOH!

How incompetent is that? Of all the companies in the U.S. to pick to deliver your trade protection message, you pick one that benefitted enormously from the Obama administration's trade policy intervention?

Romney also claims that Obama hasn't done enough to force the Chinese to inflate their currency. Last week it was announced that China's yuan hit it's highest level versus the dollar in 19 years.
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It's misleading to call it "Obama's Trade Policy". Anti dumping trade policies have been in effect since forever. However, I suppose we should celebrate the fact that the Obama administration was at least able to enforce longstanding policies.

There is no disagreement between the political parties about opposing unfair trade practices like dumping. Trying to make it a political issue is lame.
 
well Obama never had much of a record of anything that mattered prior to entering public office and once he got there his record is one of incompetence

Romney has a proven record of competence in what he has done. That's what really matters
 
AdamT said:
I'd imagine that the best choice would be an open company that hasn't benefitted from Obama's small business assistance.
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Yes, thank goodness for all that Obama assistance........God only knows where we'd be without it. :lol:

Obama_you_didnt_build_that_legos.jpg
 
AdamT said:
I'd imagine that the best choice would be an open company that hasn't benefitted from Obama's small business assistance.
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Being a Christian, I just couldn't leave this one out. :lol:

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LowDown said:
It's misleading to call it "Obama's Trade Policy". Anti dumping trade policies have been in effect since forever. However, I suppose we should celebrate the fact that the Obama administration was at least able to enforce longstanding policies.

There is no disagreement between the political parties about opposing unfair trade practices like dumping. Trying to make it a political issue is lame.
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Okay, I see how it works. If the deficits skyrocket because of policies and laws that were in place before Obama came into office then Obama owns those deficits. But if Obama enforces laws that were on the books to help businesses, then Obama gets no credit for that. Seems fair to me.

Of course the laws being on the books don't help anyone unless there's an effective administration to enforce them.
 
AdamT said:
Okay, I see how it works. If the deficits skyrocket because of policies and laws that were in place before Obama came into office then Obama owns those deficits. But if Obama enforces laws that were on the books to help businesses, then Obama gets no credit for that. Seems fair to me.
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AdamT said:
Seems the main selling point for Romney, since he won't really say what his policies are, and he flips faster than a Chinese gymnast, is that he's just a competent fellow. But he sure seems to be running an incompetent campaign. The latest example of that was Romney choosing American Spring Wire as the location to press his big China argument against Obama. Romney, of course, argues that Obama hasn't done enough to protect American trade from the Chinese. The only problem? In 2009, American Spring Wire sought and received protection from the Obama administration against Chinese dumping. DOH!



How incompetent is that? Of all the companies in the U.S. to pick to deliver your trade protection message, you pick one that benefitted enormously from the Obama administration's trade policy intervention?

Romney also claims that Obama hasn't done enough to force the Chinese to inflate their currency. Last week it was announced that China's yuan hit it's highest level versus the dollar in 19 years.
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Obama is a pathological liar, did exactly opposite of what he promises, now vows to undo almost everything he did in his first time - laughing at partisan Democrats for being such gullible fools.
 
joko104 said:
Obama is a pathological liar, did exactly opposite of what he promises, now vows to undo almost everything he did in his first time - laughing at partisan Democrats for being such gullible fools.
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Exactly, Obama is basically a flip-flopper.

Why should I vote for a politician who flip-flops?
 
AdamT said:
Okay, I see how it works. If the deficits skyrocket because of policies and laws that were in place before Obama came into office then Obama owns those deficits. But if Obama enforces laws that were on the books to help businesses, then Obama gets no credit for that. Seems fair to me.

Of course the laws being on the books don't help anyone unless there's an effective administration to enforce them.
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They are OBAMA'S TAX CUTS, not Bush's. Obama promised 200 times in his 2008 election to eliminate them. He didn't though he had both houses on Congress. Nor did Obama install the middle class tax cuts when had control. Nor did Obama end either war when he said he would.

Plus his claims to cut it all in half a massive lie, his doing the opposite.

It's all Obama's doing. 100%. Obama's wars. Obama's tax cuts. Obama's spending.
 
AdamT said:
When he wins he will absolutely inherit a much stronger country than Obama 1.0 inherited.
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Stronger how? Stronger employment? Stronger value of the US dollar? Stronger international credit rating? Stronger housing market?


I pick........ (E) None of the above. :lol:
 
johnny_rebson said:
Exactly, Obama is basically a flip-flopper.

Why should I vote for a politician who flip-flops?
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MUCH, MUCH WORSE. It is one thing for a person to change their policies along the way before being in office. It is another thing for a politician to do EXACTLY OPPOSITE what he promised he would do - when he TOTAL power to keep his promises. Obama's a shill and a liar, not just a flip-flopper.
 
joko104 said:
MUCH, MUCH WORSE. It is one thing for a person to change their policies along the way before being in office. It is another thing for a politician to do EXACTLY OPPOSITE what he promised he would do - when he TOTAL power to keep his promises. Obama's a shill and a liar, not just a flip-flopper.
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I've had some discussions with people regarding Romney's recent statements claiming he is now pro-life. If Romney is elected, will he end legal abortion?
 
johnny_rebson said:
I've had some discussions with people regarding Romney's recent statements claiming he is now pro-life. If Romney is elected, will he end legal abortion?
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He would if he could. He's made that pretty clear. But that was after he said that he respected a women's right to choose....
 
AdamT said:
I'd imagine that the best choice would be an open company that hasn't benefitted from Obama's small business assistance.
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Considering how Ryan made a speech bashing Obama at a steel mill that survived because of an SBA loan, they really aren't thinking through their speech spots.
 
AdamT said:
Okay, I see how it works. If the deficits skyrocket because of policies and laws that were in place before Obama came into office then Obama owns those deficits. But if Obama enforces laws that were on the books to help businesses, then Obama gets no credit for that. Seems fair to me.

Of course the laws being on the books don't help anyone unless there's an effective administration to enforce them.
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A lot of it has to do with what Obama did about the problems he inherited. In the case of the deficit he made it a LOT worse, adding on policies that markedly increased the problems we already had and, in my opinion, actually retarded the economic recovery.

And, yes, we need an effective administration to enforce policies we all agree on. But that has more to do with career bureaucrats who have been in place through multiple administrations.
 
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