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Romney lie - Jeep moving all production to China

Masada said:
Compare this to the LIbya story......is there really a comparison?

But of course, you liberals are all up in arms over a "gaffe" like this, but say nothing about the proven "lies" the Obama administration has told about Libya.....

What is a sad state of affairs is how both sides ignore things because of partisanship. Especially on important issues that should matter to ALL Americans.
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I love how when someone disagree with you you automatically label them as a liberal. I a moderate with liberal leaning and BTW conservative as well.
 
Fisher said:
I can see how truth might be off-topic to this thread. Responding to a post is as "relevant" to the 50 million posts on this site where you folks flood the Benghazi threads with race/obamacare crap. If you own the site, ban me, otherwise, bite me. :2wave:
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Very nice - get called out for being irrelevant and your response is a rather juvenile one. Have fun in your bubble.
 
Masada said:
Compare this to the LIbya story......is there really a comparison?

But of course, you liberals are all up in arms over a "gaffe" like this, but say nothing about the proven "lies" the Obama administration has told about Libya.....

What is a sad state of affairs is how both sides ignore things because of partisanship. Especially on important issues that should matter to ALL Americans.
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As sad as the attack on the consulate in Benghazi may be, the claims made by Romney about Jeep closing plants in the US actually affect more Americans.

Liberals aren't trying to play down the deaths of four Americans in Libya but they are saying "Why don't we wait until we have better information before making any claims or providing any judgment on those involved"
 
wolfman24 said:
I love how when someone disagree with you you automatically label them as a liberal. I a moderate with liberal leaning and BTW conservative as well.
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your own lean says "slightly liberal".....so, my labeling of "liberal" is accurate. Are you "moderately" interested at all in this administration lying to you about LIbya? Are you "moderately" concerned about bus loads of Somalians being brought to the polls in busses to vote? Are you "moderately" concerned about the Bureau of Labor Statistics stalling the release of Friday's jobs numbers?

Are you "moderately" questioning why our economy isn't growing any faster than 2%, despite Obama's previous claims that by now, it would be growing at 4%?

Are you "moderately" worried about median incomes dropping $4600 under Obama's watch?

Are you "moderately" concerned about 47 million people on food stamps?

I mean.....I don't care if you're "moderate" or not. What is that supposed to make you? Informed? Fair? Intelligent? Tell ya what, you tell me the main reason Obama deserves a second term. A real reason. Because "moderates" always claim that they "vote the issues". Well, it dumbfounds me when a person says they will be voting for Obama on the issues, because all the issues are negative for him. The economy, foreign policy, job creation, debt, deficits, you name it. All the "issues" are negative for him.

So, let's just attack Romney, and accuse him of killing a woman, cheating on his taxes, and accuse him of hating women and minorities. Don't be dull around me, you're a liberal Obama supporter, not a "moderate". Real "moderates" look at the issues, and on the issues, Obama loses in a landslide.
 
Somerville said:
As sad as the attack on the consulate in Benghazi may be, the claims made by Romney about Jeep closing plants in the US actually affect more Americans.

Liberals aren't trying to play down the deaths of four Americans in Libya but they are saying "Why don't we wait until we have better information before making any claims or providing any judgment on those involved"
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Nice try, in hindsight. You guys expect everyone to forget that for 13 days, the administration DID MAKE CLAIMS, AND THEY DID PROVIDE A JUDGEMENT. They told us it was about the video. They didn't say, "let's wait to see what happened". They said, "there is NO EVIDENCE of a premeditated attack".

That's not a "wait and see" statement, it's a "claim", and a "judgement".

Now you clowns expect people like me to forget the stories being told for 2 solid weeks after the attacks happened. All the info available now, points to a cover up, or massive incompetency. And the Obama admin wont even respond to Congressional requests to see the drone feed video, and they refuse to answer any question about how help was denied in the ongoing hours of the attack in Benghazi. They say, "no comment". Do they need an investigation to answer a question about what they did? No, they don't.

So spare me the apology....
 
Masada said:
your own lean says "slightly liberal".....so, my labeling of "liberal" is accurate. Are you "moderately" interested at all in this administration lying to you about LIbya? Are you "moderately" concerned about bus loads of Somalians being brought to the polls in busses to vote? Are you "moderately" concerned about the Bureau of Labor Statistics stalling the release of Friday's jobs numbers?

Are you "moderately" questioning why our economy isn't growing any faster than 2%, despite Obama's previous claims that by now, it would be growing at 4%?

Are you "moderately" worried about median incomes dropping $4600 under Obama's watch?

Are you "moderately" concerned about 47 million people on food stamps?

I mean.....I don't care if you're "moderate" or not. What is that supposed to make you? Informed? Fair? Intelligent? Tell ya what, you tell me the main reason Obama deserves a second term. A real reason. Because "moderates" always claim that they "vote the issues". Well, it dumbfounds me when a person says they will be voting for Obama on the issues, because all the issues are negative for him. The economy, foreign policy, job creation, debt, deficits, you name it. All the "issues" are negative for him.

So, let's just attack Romney, and accuse him of killing a woman, cheating on his taxes, and accuse him of hating women and minorities. Don't be dull around me, you're a liberal Obama supporter, not a "moderate". Real "moderates" look at the issues, and on the issues, Obama loses in a landslide.
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What references do you have for above claims?
 
mak2 said:
What references do you have for above claims?
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Oh look....another liberal out of the loop of what's going on in this country, who is coming here to get educated by others! Sweet!

What claim would you like a reference to?

You need a reference to our sluggish 2% GDP growth? pretty easy to find.
You need a reference to there being 47 million people on food stamps? also easy to find
You need a reference to median incomes declining $4600 under Obama? also easy to find
You need a reference to the release of Friday's job numbers being delayed? in the news today, easy to read the news right?
You need a reference to the liberals blaming the death of a woman who died of cancer directly on Romney? story is online, easy to find.

I mean, what do you need reference for? You see, when a liberal on here says something that I want reference to, I simply go research and find it myself. I don't ask them to post jack ****. I want my own sources, I wan't to find it myself.

There's this amazing tool called "Google". It's a place you can type in virtually ANYTHING and find out something about it. Good thing is, there are numerous sources, so you can pick which one you find credible yourself. That prevents you from having to take my word for anything. You should try it some time. It works pretty well.

Just go to Google, and type in whatever you'de like.....
 
:lamo you are a hoot. Actually I read down to the bus load of Somalies voting and I was laughing too hard to read the rest, lets start with the bus load of illegal voters. Any proof or did you just make it up?
Masada said:
Oh look....another liberal out of the loop of what's going on in this country, who is coming here to get educated by others! Sweet!

What claim would you like a reference to?

You need a reference to our sluggish 2% GDP growth? pretty easy to find.
You need a reference to there being 47 million people on food stamps? also easy to find
You need a reference to median incomes declining $4600 under Obama? also easy to find
You need a reference to the release of Friday's job numbers being delayed? in the news today, easy to read the news right?
You need a reference to the liberals blaming the death of a woman who died of cancer directly on Romney? story is online, easy to find.

I mean, what do you need reference for? You see, when a liberal on here says something that I want reference to, I simply go research and find it myself. I don't ask them to post jack ****. I want my own sources, I wan't to find it myself.

There's this amazing tool called "Google". It's a place you can type in virtually ANYTHING and find out something about it. Good thing is, there are numerous sources, so you can pick which one you find credible yourself. That prevents you from having to take my word for anything. You should try it some time. It works pretty well.

Just go to Google, and type in whatever you'de like.....
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Masada said:
Nice try, in hindsight. You guys expect everyone to forget that for 13 days, the administration DID MAKE CLAIMS, AND THEY DID PROVIDE A JUDGEMENT. They told us it was about the video. They didn't say, "let's wait to see what happened". They said, "there is NO EVIDENCE of a premeditated attack".

That's not a "wait and see" statement, it's a "claim", and a "judgement".

Now you clowns expect people like me to forget the stories being told for 2 solid weeks after the attacks happened. All the info available now, points to a cover up, or massive incompetency. And the Obama admin wont even respond to Congressional requests to see the drone feed video, and they refuse to answer any question about how help was denied in the ongoing hours of the attack in Benghazi. They say, "no comment". Do they need an investigation to answer a question about what they did? No, they don't.

So spare me the apology....
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First of all it was not an apology? where did that come from. Second I think you need to read your post about partisanship. YOur comments pertain more to that comment than mine.
 
mak2 said:
:lamo you are a hoot. Actually I read down to the bus load of Somalies voting and I was laughing too hard to read the rest, lets start with the bus load of illegal voters. Any proof or did you just make it up?
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How bout you take my advice and google it.....see if I made it up or not chief!
 
mak2 said:
:lamo you are a hoot. Actually I read down to the bus load of Somalies voting and I was laughing too hard to read the rest, lets start with the bus load of illegal voters. Any proof or did you just make it up?
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If you're expecting Masada to back up his wild-ass claims, ever, you're in for a disappointment.
 
Gina said:
He's running a misleading ad on the claim.

Romney under fire for ad claim that Jeep brand moving to China - The Hill's Transportation Report


They will build Jeeps in China, but not at the loss of American jobs. In fact they are adding 1100 jobs.
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It's not misleading at all

The only reason why you people are whining so loud about this is because where there is smoke there is fire

AdamT said:
Obviously the answer is that it's cheaper to build them there for the Chinese market. It won't benefit Chrysler's US workers if the company does stupid **** that causes it to fail again.
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Dodge noted and hilarious fail in your logic detected
 
wolfman24 said:
First of all it was not an apology? where did that come from. Second I think you need to read your post about partisanship. YOur comments pertain more to that comment than mine.
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I never denied being partisan. I'm damn sure partisan. Because I could never support a liberal party that actively opposes things like voter ID laws, and allows organizations like ACORN to illegally register voters on my party's behalf. I could never support a party that doesn't value the sanctity of human life in the womb, and is led by a man who refused to protect life EVEN OUTSIDE THE WOMB when he had a chance to as an Illinois Senator. I could never support a party that believes in wealth redistribution via a punative tax system. I could never support a party who claims they are the party of "individual freedom", but then FORCE Americans to purchase something like insurance. I could never support a party who claims they care about the poor, but refuses to address the unintended adverse consequences of ever increased entitlement spending and programs.

Yes, I'm very partisan. Liberalism is a disease, masked behind the populist arguments of "collectivism". I'm not in this with you liberals. I don't play a part in advancing abortion access. I don't play a part in ignoring our debt crisis for the sake of redistributing wealth away from one class of American to another. I don't play into this philosophy of government being the solution to all our problems.

Look at where we are headed as a nation. More entitlement, more dependency, less responsibility, less transparency. You guys can't even call yourselves "liberals" anymore.
 
mak2 said:
No uh, I really wasnt.
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Since you're nothing more than a lazy liberal, I'll take it upon myself this one time to help you out:

Here's the story, and if you don't like the source, just google the story, and pick which source you like best, because there's literally dozens:

Is voter fraud being committed in Ohio? - Conservative News

Let me give you some advice, educate yourself. We've already got Adam here, who refuses to bring any information to this site. It's pretty boring to argue with liberals like you and Adama, who all they do is contradict someone else's claims, but are never seen making claims of their own. Bring something to the debate. It's much more fun for us who read and keep up with things, to have a debate with someone who has read something for themselves.
 
Masada said:
Since you're nothing more than a lazy liberal, I'll take it upon myself this one time to help you out:

Here's the story, and if you don't like the source, just google the story, and pick which source you like best, because there's literally dozens:

Is voter fraud being committed in Ohio? - Conservative News

Let me give you some advice, educate yourself. We've already got Adam here, who refuses to bring any information to this site. It's pretty boring to argue with liberals like you and Adama, who all they do is contradict someone else's claims, but are never seen making claims of their own. Bring something to the debate. It's much more fun for us who read and keep up with things, to have a debate with someone who has read something for themselves.
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I think we can all see why you refuse to post your sources: they're all right wing conspiracy rags. "Human Events: Powerful Conservative Voices"! :lamo
 
I know I am crazy for even trying this but here goes.

Lets not think about each others sources. Lets try to think logically for a minute. I have heard for years and years and years there are bus loads of (others) them people driving around voting for democrats all over the place. I beleived it for many years. One day I got to thinking, hummm, I wonder how many people get busted for voter fraud every election. Guess what, not very many, actually very very few. Just did not make sense. then I read another story like the one above, then I thougt about it a little more, lets see, there are very stiff penalties for voter fraud. If just one of those busloads of them people get busted it would stop. Wow, then I got to thinking a little more, conservatives all know about this, why isnt there just one with a camera, or some proof, and get that busload busted. I figured out why, there arent any bus loads of them people illegally voting. There just isnt. It is a made up Right Wing lie to keep you guys all stirred up. If not go watch for those busloads and take picutres on election day.
Masada said:
Since you're nothing more than a lazy liberal, I'll take it upon myself this one time to help you out:

Here's the story, and if you don't like the source, just google the story, and pick which source you like best, because there's literally dozens:

Is voter fraud being committed in Ohio? - Conservative News

Let me give you some advice, educate yourself. We've already got Adam here, who refuses to bring any information to this site. It's pretty boring to argue with liberals like you and Adama, who all they do is contradict someone else's claims, but are never seen making claims of their own. Bring something to the debate. It's much more fun for us who read and keep up with things, to have a debate with someone who has read something for themselves.
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For some reason the only time the righties ever claim to have photo/video 'evidence' it always turns out to be manipulated - digital photos are easily redone nowadays, although the Repubs aren't very good at it.

Slightly off topic but relevant as to photo evidence of misdeeds and just how bad the righties can be AND still more evidence at how willing the right's acolytes are to swallow the most preposterous nonsense.

Romney Campaign Exaggerates Size Of Nevada Event With Altered Image
 
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