More Homeless Under Obama than under Reagan (Remember the media howling then?)

AdamT said:

So you think the problem is personal responsibility? People just became less responsible under Reagan and during the Great Recession? Interesting theory.

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So you think 47,000,000 on welfare is being responsible on the part of the Obama administration? Creating more addiction instead of opportunity and personal responsibility; interesting theory...

Zimmer, since you surprisingly seem to care so much about the homeless, it's unfathomable to think you are voting for Romney/Ryan. As if their policies will do anything to help th cause which you seem to care so much about!

Μολὼν λαβέ;1061072389 said:

So you think 47,000,000 on welfare is being responsible on the part of the Obama administration?

Creating more addiction instead of opportunity and personal responsibility; interesting theory...

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Responsibility doesn't really come into the equation here, the programs of which you speak are doled out based on prerequisites that applicants must meet, not a mere whim or random groupings from the local phone book.

A tired old meme if I've ever seen one. This "addiction" and seemingly sudden onset of slothfulness curiously coincided with the loss of around 20 trillion dollars in household wealth and the subsequent erosion of the labor market a few years back. A pretty silly theory if you ask me.

zimmer said:

The Lib commentary ought to be interesting... if they offer any.

The media, if they did their job as aggressively against Obama as they had against Bush 43 or Reagan, or Bush 41... we would find Obama polling at 25%; just the lunatic base of the Socialists of America Party (SAPs) and a few naive college kids who buy the socialist claptrap because it sounds nice.

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You are so right - if anything serves to metaphysically PROVE that the MSM is completely devoted to DEMOCRAT campaign successes, it is the way they completely align themselves with whatever talking point the DNC vomits forth every day.

DNC makes a comment about homeless? ==> Journ-O-lists go looking under every bridge for someone to interview that will blame in on 'greedy' GOP officials.

DNC points out the 'read my lips' sound byte ==> Journ-O-lists replay the clip every chance they get and drive it home in every interview. Of course they never point out that the tax increase that Bush signed was a COMPROMISE with the DEMs - it was a DEMOCRAT idea that they were hounding on Bush for ACCEPTING. They also never did report - and still don't - that in order to get Bush to compromise on the tax increase they promised spending cuts of equal magnitude. Of course being DEMs they reneged on that promise - just as they did for Reagan. They still hound on Reagan for 'raising taxes' without ever revealing that he, too, tried to work with DEMOCRATS but they stabbed him in the back every time AFTER the compromise was negotiated. You NEVER hear the MSM make ANY reference to these facts when the DEM try doing the same thing every time.

IF the MSM were doing their job they would do a HUGE expose of the how the DNC has conducted campaigns based on outright lies for the last fifty years. I'm not talking about routine exaggeration in dueling political advertisements. I am talking about outright provable lies they put out to instigate fear in ignorant voters.

The biggest lie the DEM put forth is ACCUSING the GOP is of doing what the DEMs are ACTUALLY doing. Any honest journalist would say "wait just a minute here - isn't that what YOU are doing . . . . ."

The alphabet networks give the DEMs billions of dollars worth of free advertising 24/7/365.

Hare said:

Responsibility doesn't really come into the equation here, the programs of which you speak are doled out based on prerequisites that applicants must meet, not a mere whim or random groupings from the local phone book.

A tired old meme if I've ever seen one. This "addiction" and seemingly sudden onset of slothfulness curiously coincided with the loss of around 20 trillion dollars in household wealth and the subsequent erosion of the labor market a few years back. A pretty silly theory if you ask me.

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Only you stated anything about sloth. A pretty silly theory indeed. But then again, the party of entitlement seems to need someone to blame other than themselves.

megaprogman said:

We should restart our system of homes for the mentally unfit. Removing this service in the 80s has been a failure.

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We still have them--they just have bars on the cells.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1061072679 said:

Only you stated anything about sloth. A pretty silly theory indeed.

But then again, the party of entitlement seems to need someone to blame other than themselves.

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Creating more addiction instead of opportunity and personal responsibility

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Well, you did imply that the amount of individuals added to welfare rolls can be directly traced to a lack of personal responsibility. I just connected the dots for ya. By the way how does the executive branch go about "creating more personal responsibility?"

Tell me, just what policies would you place the blame upon? What's a more likely cause? The looming effects of catastrophic losses in personal wealth and meaningful employment or the seemingly unnamed stances by the DNC that supposedly encourage rampant neglect of personal responsibility?

AdamT said:

The reason that Reagan was blamed for homelessness is that his policies did a lot to exacerbate the problem -- in particular, cutting HUD funding by approximately 75%. He also slashed spending for food stamps, health care, and drug rehabilitiation -- all programs that impact homelessness.

In contrast, the recent rise in homelesness is a result of the real estate and financial crashes that occurred during the Bush administration. Obama has been fighting for policies to limit the damage and Republicans having been resisting his every effort. That, in a nutshell, is why Reagan was blamed and why Obama isn't.

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HUD should be closed, and it is hugely responsible for our financial meltdown.
Clinton, Cuomo (HUD Secretary) & retarded laws forcing banks to make bad loans are responsible.
We would be a million times better off without HUD and the DoE.

Here is the expansion of Carter's stupidity.

zimmer said:

HUD should be closed, and it is hugely responsible for our financial meltdown.

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You are so far from understanding the cause of the meltdown that you can't even get there from here.

AdamT said:

You are so far from understanding the cause of the meltdown that you can't even get there from here.

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You watched a 8:39 minute video in less than 2-minutes.
Sum mehn yu jus kaint reech.

Μολὼν λαβέ;1061072315 said:

Personal responsibility just doesn't seem to have a place in the democratic party. It's always someone else's fault.

Obama will bring people together? Only in the government cheese lines...

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That's so ironic...Personal responsibility means that you realize that the Great Recession was not Obama's fault but the fault of the Government(it's entirety, not just Bush) between ~2000-2008

Fisher said:

We still have them--they just have bars on the cells.

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I know ..

zimmer said:

You watched a 8:39 minute video in less than 2-minutes.
Sum mehn yu jus kaint reech.

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I've been studying the meltdown for four years -- I don't need to see your idiotic Youtube video to know what it's going to say.

AdamT said:

I've been studying the meltdown for four years -- I don't need to see your idiotic Youtube video to know what it's going to say.

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I agree; what Cuomo and Clinton did public was idiotic.
You've been studying the meltdown of what for four years? Obama? He looks angry, like he is at wits end.

Here... study this... it might help you learn something about the root of the financial meltdown.

[video=youtube;Lr1M1T2Y314]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Lr1M1T2Y314[/video]

Excon said:

No they wont be howling but instead make excuses and blame the economics of it on the Repubs, and in general, just distract from the numbers.


IMO, for the most part though, homelessness is caused by mental illness, more than anything else.

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I'd venture to guess substance abuse. Families can't help someone who keeps lying and stealing from them so they say gtfo. And getting a job gets in the way of shooting up so... That's what I would bet contributes to the bulk of those out there these days.

poweRob said:

I'd venture to guess substance abuse. Families can't help someone who keeps lying and stealing from them so they say gtfo. And getting a job gets in the way of shooting up so... That's what I would bet contributes to the bulk of those out there these days.

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I believe they made mention that "chronically homeless" consisted of both.
Me personally, I would have to say that mental illness contributes greatly to most substance abusers.

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