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The jesus party

wolfman24

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Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?
 
Just one....


.....bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
I can only imagine the tax plan.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. What next.


Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?
 
Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?


To my knowlege Jesus is not running for public office at this time, therefore "literally voting for Jesus" would be a bit pointless.
 
Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?

What do they mean by "literally voting for Jesus"? That they are the only people who know what Jesus really wants, and thus a vote for them is a vote for Jesus?
 
Jesus, of course, was for taxing the rich and redistributing that to the poor. He despised religious hypocrites and condemned the rich as doomed to hell. He abhorred violence and war.

Maybe this is a good idea.
 
What do they mean by "literally voting for Jesus"? That they are the only people who know what Jesus really wants, and thus a vote for them is a vote for Jesus?

If I knew what people like this meant or were thinking I would be god. Not within the realm of human understanding and frankly I do not want to try.
 
Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?

Apparently not.

Also, does 500,000 members count as facebook friends?
 
Jesus, of course, was for taxing the rich and redistributing that to the poor. He despised religious hypocrites and condemned the rich as doomed to hell. He abhorred violence and war.

Maybe this is a good idea.


Jesus never mentioned wealth redistribution through taxation.... but he spoke favorably of charity. (Charity is voluntary btw).

Yes, he despised religious hypocrits. A religious hypocrite is someone who professes something they do not actually believe, or who judges others harshly while themselves violating their own rules.

No, he did not doom the rich to hell. He spoke about how difficult it was for the rich to enter into the Kingdom, because of their tendency to trust in their Earthly riches. He also said that those without faith were doomed, and spoke out against many forms of immorality.

Your statement "Jesus abhorred violence and war" is not entirely accurate, as it treats a very complex subject in an overly simplistic manner, and ignores half the Bible.


Perhaps you should study theology a bit more before speaking for Jesus and God.
 
Jesus never mentioned wealth redistribution through taxation.... but he spoke favorably of charity. (Charity is voluntary btw).

Yes, he despised religious hypocrits. A religious hypocrite is someone who professes something they do not actually believe, or who judges others harshly while themselves violating their own rules.

No, he did not doom the rich to hell. He spoke about how difficult it was for the rich to enter into the Kingdom, because of their tendency to trust in their Earthly riches. He also said that those without faith were doomed, and spoke out against many forms of immorality.

Your statement "Jesus abhorred violence and war" is not entirely accurate, as it treats a very complex subject in an overly simplistic manner, and ignores half the Bible.


Perhaps you should study theology a bit more before speaking for Jesus and God.

To be fair, I guess it should be said that in Jesus' times, there was no such thing as a modern national state, and thus we don't know what he would have said about redistribution via taxes. There are Christians who argue with Jesus' teachings to justify limited public social programs, such as the Christian Democrats in Germany (the major center-right party here) and in other European countries.

As for war and violence, I believe we have to look at the historical context. At Jesus' times, things like blood vengeance and clan fights were not uncommon. Including unproportional retaliation (more than an eye for just one eye). So the OT law "eye for an eye" was a progress already, limiting the allowed retaliation in clan fights. Jesus went one step further, emphasizing the importance of forgiveness. But I believe he addresses especially individual "vigilantes" in his times.

The individual shall forgive. But that doesn't necessarily mean he believes there shall be no legal prosecution or no legal punishment by the legal system. At least that's how I understand it. Again, a similar problem as in the case above, when it's about the role of government in a modern nation state: It didn't really exist in Jesus' times, so we cannot be entirely sure.
 
To be fair, I guess it should be said that in Jesus' times, there was no such thing as a modern national state, and thus we don't know what he would have said about redistribution via taxes. There are Christians who argue with Jesus' teachings to justify limited public social programs, such as the Christian Democrats in Germany (the major center-right party here) and in other European countries.

As for war and violence, I believe we have to look at the historical context. At Jesus' times, things like blood vengeance and clan fights were not uncommon. Including unproportional retaliation (more than an eye for just one eye). So the OT law "eye for an eye" was a progress already, limiting the allowed retaliation in clan fights. Jesus went one step further, emphasizing the importance of forgiveness. But I believe he addresses especially individual "vigilantes" in his times.

The individual shall forgive. But that doesn't necessarily mean he believes there shall be no legal prosecution or no legal punishment by the legal system. At least that's how I understand it. Again, a similar problem as in the case above, when it's about the role of government in a modern nation state: It didn't really exist in Jesus' times, so we cannot be entirely sure.


A well-reasoned reply with many good points.... kudos sir. :)
 
Last night on TV (MSNBC) I saw that some people are starting a Jesus party. They say that the current system has abandoned our religious base and the fundamentals of the Bible and are urging people to literally vote for Jesus. According to the story they claim to have almost 500,000 members nationally.

Any thoughts?

If there's going to be a Jesus party there had better be plenty of loaves, fishes, and water turned to wine.
 
If there's going to be a Jesus party there had better be plenty of loaves, fishes, and water turned to wine.


That would be cool; I love all that stuff. :mrgreen:
 
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