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Benghazi Lies and The 2012 Presidential Election Cycle[W:185]

It rhymes. That's about the extent of it. Is that what the entire Romney, campaign for the Presidency has come to? Rhythmic follow-ups? Hey, I'm OK with that. I've got one too:




At least you can get up and shake a leg to that one. ;)


I guess we have another week and a half of these sort of posts.
 
The FACT remains that security was denied. Your argument? "The Libyan Ambassador will be in the building, but there were only four other people with him, so we don't need more security." That.Is.Ridiculous. Patently so.

Now, I don't feel like countering your "facts," just not up to it tonight. But make no mistake: The American people were led to believe, for a considerable period of time, that this incident was the result of an unpopular video. That information turned out to be wrong. This consulate had asked for more security. That security was denied. People died.

The man who made the video is in jail right now, Hillary keeping her promise to the father of one of the slain SEALS that he would be arrested. His bail hearing is set for three days after the election. What a co-inkydink.

Who gave the command NOT to rescue these men?

And, please, no more so-long posts. People don't want to read them.

I'd love to see the President operate on so little security. He only needs a Navy Seal or two when 20 men are firing mortars and RPGs at him, right?
 
That you constantly come in here and bait, with laughable sourcing such as Media Matters, and call those that are having rational discussions "racist".... Yeah, I won't take your bait any longer, go troll somewhere else.


Here, let me give you a little hint about when you should take a URL and place it into your HOSTS file and direct it to 127.0.0.0. Are you ready? Here we go:

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Rule #1: Never trust a Neocon Hack.
Rule #2: See Rule #1.

Now, if you really want to tap into something important, go ask William Kristol, who was feeding Dick Cheney, in-bound distance telemetry on and aircraft for which the FAA and NORAD had no radar track on September 11th, 2001, up to as much as 15 minutes BEFORE the Pentagon was struck. How is it technologically possible for Dick Cheney's Aide, to be in contact with a third-party that was not the FAA and not NORAD, who would just happen have real-time inbound telemetry relative to distance in miles away, on an airborne vehicle on its way to the Pentagon?

While you people pretend to spin the mis-information that you've been feed about red herring security problem in Benghazi, when other U.S. Embassies in past years have been attacked with a loss of life attached, 3,000 people in the twin towers lost their lives, over 6,000 American Troops lost their lives, over 47,000 American Troops were critical wounded and countless hundreds of thousands of Men, Women and Children died for no damn good reason whatsoever, other than profit sharing agreements and strategic control over Iraqi oil supplies and production.

The level of hypocrisy is downright unbearable in this country at times.

Feigned. Feigning. Fake. Phony. Frauds. Prophets of the spread of Democracy, bull. I am so sick and tired of the delusions of people.

Wake Up, America!
 
Why are you covering for Obama, does he pay you to run interference? Clearly he ****ed up. They didn't have sufficient security in a zone KNOWN to be highly dangerous. This wasn't Paris, France or the Virgin Islands. It was freaking Libya, and they had no guards to speak of.

Clearly, he $@%$ up?

So, you have no ability to read what's been put directly under your nose - is that it? Let's just ignore the facts, right? Let's pretend that we live in some kind of alternate reality, right?

Geeepers, people. Come on. You can do better than this.

Wake Up!
 
Whatever.


It's what I know and your whatever.

You can stick your head in the sand until the cows come home, it won't pull your rear-end back to earth.
 
Clearly, he $@%$ up?

So, you have no ability to read what's been put directly under your nose - is that it? Let's just ignore the facts, right? Let's pretend that we live in some kind of alternate reality, right?

Geeepers, people. Come on. You can do better than this.

Wake Up!

You do live in an alternate reality.
 
Any decent human in this country could listen to the interview on Fox with the Dad of one of the men who died that day. Fox just played the interview. This Dad was on the verge of tears, he has lost his son. Yes, he wants answers. Wouldn't you? All you people who get on here and claim daily to care about the poor and disadvantaged of this country....there is no way you could listen to this Dad and feel anything except a deep desire for this man to have the answers he wants. If not, you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
The FACT remains that security was denied. Your argument? "The Libyan Ambassador will be in the building, but there were only four other people with him, so we don't need more security." That.Is.Ridiculous. Patently so.

Now, I don't feel like countering your "facts," just not up to it tonight. But make no mistake: The American people were led to believe, for a considerable period of time, that this incident was the result of an unpopular video. That information turned out to be wrong. This consulate had asked for more security. That security was denied. People died.

The man who made the video is in jail right now, Hillary keeping her promise to the father of one of the slain SEALS that he would be arrested. His bail hearing is set for three days after the election. What a co-inkydink.

Who gave the command NOT to rescue these men?

And, please, no more so-long posts. People don't want to read them.


Frankly, I could careless what deluded people want to read. In fact, it goes without saying that some of you don't read at all. Clearly, you have not read what Susan Rice, told the country. Clearly, you did not read what the President, told the country. And, it is painfully clear that you have no rebuttal for the Video matching the Quotes in this thread, from the very two people that you have used to spread Romnesia'esk lies regarding what the White House knew and when it knew it.

So, when the facts don't line-up with your bull, you break-out into some non-sequitur red herring reply that is just a off the wall as your ridiculous bemoaning of the President. Arguing about the length of a post, instead of arguing its contents, is proof that you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Lastly, you have rebutted nothing that I've put forth in this thread with anything that is factual, or that can be verified. To the contrary, I have used actual copies of source documents that prove your two (2) primary statements to be utterly false. The most telling and amazing thing of all, is the fact that you are still attempting to push a thousand pound cart uphill - despite the fact that its steam rolling you backwards.

As you were - or as you thought you were.
 
You do live in an alternate reality.

Is that a rebuttal to the NEA's Action Memo? Or, is that statement about where Derrell Issa, now resides?
 
It is not done. Period. I've never trained on providing civilian CAS. Ever. She lied. Period. Because, if I've never trained on it - it does not exist. I know CAS. I know it very well. Fox News is busted (again). Period.

There's only one exception to that would be a special kind of 'operation' involving certain things that I'm not getting into and where certain other things took place that were not supposed to happen, and where somebody did something else to ended up requiring a certain kind of support, possibly from the air - but even then, it would not be regular air force and/or regular navy and/or regular marines. There would be nothing "regular" about the op.

And, yes - I am being vague. And, no - I will not be responding again to the question.

With all due respect, you're talking out you're......

There absolutely, positively would have been a ground defense plan in place and if air assets were generally available in the region then they would have been part of that plan. We've been getting a whole lot of practice dropping Hellfires on illuminated targets over the last few years so leaving that asset out of the plan in a potentially hostile urban area would have been absolutely ludicrous. There would have been evacuation routes, rendezvous points and a prioritized list of targets which would have been updated regularly (probably daily). Although there may not have been a traditional QRF in place there damned sure would have been a plan and personnel that were designated to act in that capacity.

It may be that with the resources available that nothing could have been done to prevent the attack but word is that the attack went on for as much as 4 hours and that's more than enough time to get assets on station....unless the chain of command is giving conflicting orders. So far everything points to this tragedy being the result of a monumental cluster**** and the response of the administration being a pathetic exercise in CYA doublespeak.
 
Frankly, I could careless what deluded people want to read. In fact, it goes without saying that some of you don't read at all. Clearly, you have not read what Susan Rice, told the country. Clearly, you did not read what the President, told the country. And, it is painfully clear that you have no rebuttal for the Video matching the Quotes in this thread, from the very two people that you have used to spread Romnesia'esk lies regarding what the White House knew and when it knew it.

So, when the facts don't line-up with your bull, you break-out into some non-sequitur red herring reply that is just a off the wall as your ridiculous bemoaning of the President. Arguing about the length of a post, instead of arguing its contents, is proof that you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Lastly, you have rebutted nothing that I've put forth in this thread with anything that is factual, or that can be verified. To the contrary, I have used actual copies of source documents that prove your two (2) primary statements to be utterly false. The most telling and amazing thing of all, is the fact that you are still attempting to push a thousand pound cart uphill - despite the fact that its steam rolling you backwards.

As you were - or as you thought you were.

Let me guess, you think the administration did everything in its power to protect the embassy, and that the attack was really caused by a video.
 
It wasnt an embassy.
Let me guess, you think the administration did everything in its power to protect the embassy, and that the attack was really caused by a video.
 
Let me guess, you think the administration did everything in its power to protect the embassy, and that the attack was really caused by a video.

WELL THAT IS THE STORY obama tells his faithful
 
Any decent human in this country could listen to the interview on Fox with the Dad of one of the men who died that day. Fox just played the interview. This Dad was on the verge of tears, he has lost his son. Yes, he wants answers. Wouldn't you? All you people who get on here and claim daily to care about the poor and disadvantaged of this country....there is no way you could listen to this Dad and feel anything except a deep desire for this man to have the answers he wants. If not, you should be ashamed of yourself.


Lying about such things and pretending as if the President actually caused it to happen (which is what the Republicans are all about these days), is in fact the indecent and inhumane thing to do. Merely correcting these people in broad daylight, is in no way the denigration of those who lost their lives, or an insensitive poke at the victims surviving family members.

Unfortunately, this would not be an issue had the truly corrupt in this country had not made it so. This nation had better learn how to start putting 2 and 2 together to come up with 4, or we are all going to pay a very heavy price that precious few can imagine, in the not so distant future.
 
(Jason*Howerton) --*The father of one of the former Navy SEALs killed in the terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya says President Barack Obama wouldn’t even look him in the eye and Vice President Joe Biden was disrespectful during the ceremony when his son’s body returned to America. He also says the White House’s story on the attack doesn’t pass the smell test.
Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, called into “The Glenn Beck Program” on TheBlazeTV Thursday and recounted his interactions with the president, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Biden at the ceremony for the Libya victims at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. He told host Glenn Beck that what they told him, coupled with new reports that indicate the Obama administration knew very good and well, almost immediately, that a terrorist attack was occurring in Benghazi, make him certain that the American people are not getting the whole truth.
Vice President Biden, as he has become known to do, reportedly made a wildly inappropriate comment to the father who had just lost his hero son.
Woods said Biden came over to his family and asked in a “loud and boisterous” voice, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?”
“Are these the words of someone who is sorry?” said Woods.
The grieving father also described his brief encounter with President Obama during the ceremony for the Libya victims.
“When he finally came over to where we were, I could tell that he was rather conflicted, a person who was not at peace with himself,” Woods said. “Shaking hands with him, quite frankly, was like shaking hands with a dead fish. His face was pointed towards me but he would not look me in the eye, his eyes were over my shoulder.”
“I could tell that he was not sorry,” he added. “He had no remorse.”
Beck said he wanted to give the president “the benefit of the doubt,” and asked Woods how he could be sure that Obama wasn’t just uncomfortable or nervous during their conversation. Woods said it was Obama’s “demeanor.”
Hillary Clinton’s comments to Woods raise even more questions about the White House’s official story on the Benghazi attack, which has already been extremely inconsistent.
After apologizing for his loss, Woods said Clinton told him that the U.S. would “make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”
Obviously, Clinton was referring to the anti-Muslim YouTube video that the Obama administration spent nearly two weeks blaming for the attack. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, Clinton and the president himself all blamed the video at various points. Beck pointed out that the White House is now trying to claim that it has always considered terrorism as the cause of the attack.
“When she said that, I could tell that she was not telling me the truth,” Woods said about Clinton.


Read more: Father of Navy SEAL killed in Benghazi says Biden disrespectful | Michael Berry - NewsRadio 740 KTRH Houston News, Weather, Traffic
 
I guess we have another week and a half of these sort of posts.

Actually, I like that one so much - I plan on leading with it on November 6th, after Ohio, comes rolling down hill. ;)
 
(from your post #14)7 Embassies were attacked when Bush was in office. Lives lost. And that's when he had a full budget for security.

The shame. 7 times the death under Bush.

Thanks for trying to put this latest Embassy tragedy into perspective.

Frankly, I hadn't heard about this before, but I'm sure folks remember the Embassy attacks in Africa under Clinton. I guess my point here is: 1) this isn't the first Embassy attack America has suffered abroad; and 2) other such attacks were worse as far as their destructive capabilities and the total lose of life. The only differences here seem to be: a) what officials really knew and how far up the chain does the blame go, i.e., Secretary of State, CIA Dir., Dir, NSA, SecDef on up to the WH; and, b) events not only happened on 9/11(2012) but so close to a presidential election. I dare say if this wasn't election season, I doubt this story would have retained so much traction. Not saying it's not worth getting to the bottom of things, just that I seriously doubt we'd have the intel leaks we have now or that we'd still be talking about it well over 1-month later.
 
How can anyone defend the load of shix the administration is spewing or refusing to honestly reveal?
 
Frankly, I could careless what deluded people want to read. In fact, it goes without saying that some of you don't read at all. Clearly, you have not read what Susan Rice, told the country. Clearly, you did not read what the President, told the country. And, it is painfully clear that you have no rebuttal for the Video matching the Quotes in this thread, from the very two people that you have used to spread Romnesia'esk lies regarding what the White House knew and when it knew it.

So, when the facts don't line-up with your bull, you break-out into some non-sequitur red herring reply that is just a off the wall as your ridiculous bemoaning of the President. Arguing about the length of a post, instead of arguing its contents, is proof that you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Lastly, you have rebutted nothing that I've put forth in this thread with anything that is factual, or that can be verified. To the contrary, I have used actual copies of source documents that prove your two (2) primary statements to be utterly false. The most telling and amazing thing of all, is the fact that you are still attempting to push a thousand pound cart uphill - despite the fact that its steam rolling you backwards.

As you were - or as you thought you were.

You are, or think you are, an expert on this incident. (I'm not being insulting, just that I don't accept your "facts" as facts.) I felt the same way when discussing Obamacare back in the day of lies and ridiculous emails. I was right . . . those death panels and all the other **** put out there was wrong. It was frustrating at the time, but worthy.

This is worthy as well. And I could be wrong. Know what I really think after reading much of what you've written? That too many people in too many directions were talking out their ass. When things like this happen, perhaps instead of ten people commenting, one person should be sheriff. That's obviously not what happened here. Too many people sending too many mixed messages.

I'm going to pay attention to this probably long after the hearings are finished. There will come a time in the near future when the true facts will be out there for all to see. I'll resurrect this thread and apologize if I'm wrong in the following:

  • The messages to the American people were, at best, mixed from the very beginning as to what caused the attack on the consulate. We weren't given the information the Administration had when the Administration had it.
  • There was a fatal flaw in the security provided to the consulate...and a fatal flaw in our reaction when the attack was ongoing. The people who died there died because of our failure to provide adequate security. Heads will roll. Unfortunately, it probably won't be the right heads.
 
Let me guess, you think the administration did everything in its power to protect the embassy, and that the attack was really caused by a video.


Let me take stab at it.

You think the President, deliberately weakened his own hand, at a time in the election cycle when he could least afford to do it, drew-down security on the compound of his own volition and of his own creative thought process because he had absolutely nothing else to do with his time or energy, put in-place a prior order up the chain of command to ignore any and all requests from the CIA asking for "Air Support" in a civilian zone with no military plan of CAS Integration, knowing full well that some Al-Qaeda wannabe upstarts who just got their gang tattoos mounted in late 2011/early 2012 and who are so incredibly stupid as to hold outdoor tailgating parties with light to medium armament as they cruise the streets of Libya, with no fear whatsoever of being identified by anyone and while posting YouTube videos to confirm just how stupid they really happen to be, just so U.S. soil in a foreign country could be struck and four people could be killed?

Is that what you and Fooks Niewz are attempting to sell me? What's the advantage to the President in doing that?

Look, I just got back from the grocery store and I purchased a bucket load of IDIOT, so I really don't need anymore this month - I'm all stocked up.
 
Rush was spewing on about Obama having gone to his room and would not come out when it happened. This people believe this crap from Fox news and RW nuts, the scary part is without questioning it at all. Whatever happened to critical thinking?
Let me take stab at it.

You think the President, deliberately weakened his own hand, at a time in the election cycle when he could least afford to do it, drew-down security on the compound of his own volition and of his own creative thought process because he had absolutely nothing else to do with his time or energy, put in-place a prior order up the chain of command to ignore any and all requests from the CIA asking for "Air Support" in a civilian zone with no military plan of CAS Integration, knowing full well that some Al-Qaeda wannabe upstarts who just got their gang tattoos mounted in late 2011/early 2012 and who are so incredibly stupid as to hold outdoor tailgating parties with light to medium armament as they cruise the streets of Libya, with no fear whatsoever of being identified by anyone and while posting YouTube videos to confirm just how stupid they really happen to be, just so U.S. soil in a foreign country could be struck and four people could be killed?

Is that what you and Fooks Niewz are attempting to sell me? What's the advantage to the President in doing that?

Look, I just got back from the grocery store and I purchased a bucket load of IDIOT, so I really don't need anymore this month - I'm all stocked up.
 
How can anyone defend the load of shix the administration is spewing or refusing to honestly reveal?

Personally, I'm not defending the Obama Administration as much I'm saying to folks "calm down and be more rational".

At the risk of sounding uncaring, it's not the first time one of our embassies has come under attack. It certainly won't be the last. However, what gives this story breath is the fact that this particular embassy was denied military protection in advance of the attack and, if you believe the most recent reports, what few military personnel were on station were denied permission to engage the attackers. Add in the fact that a presidential election is right around the corner, and I can certainly understand how many are hoping for an "October Surprise" that goes against President Obama and for Mitt Romney.

I would agree with those who are of the opinion that the President owes the public an explanation as to what really happened and who from himself down knew what and gave what directives (i.e., protection denial, airlift denial, non-engagement orders, who hired the security contingent at the Benghazi Embassy, etc.), but I also think a little perspective is in order: this isn't the first U.S. Embassy attack and it certainly isn't the worse. Timing, media/information handling and/or the lack of details as to what really happened are what's keeping people so entrallled with this tragic event.
 
Let me take stab at it.

You think the President, deliberately weakened his own hand, at a time in the election cycle when he could least afford to do it, drew-down security on the compound of his own volition and of his own creative thought process because he had absolutely nothing else to do with his time or energy, put in-place a prior order up the chain of command to ignore any and all requests from the CIA asking for "Air Support" in a civilian zone with no military plan of CAS Integration, knowing full well that some Al-Qaeda wannabe upstarts who just got their gang tattoos mounted in late 2011/early 2012 and who are so incredibly stupid as to hold outdoor tailgating parties with light to medium armament as they cruise the streets of Libya, with no fear whatsoever of being identified by anyone and while posting YouTube videos to confirm just how stupid they really happen to be, just so U.S. soil in a foreign country could be struck and four people could be killed?

Is that what you and Fooks Niewz are attempting to sell me? What's the advantage to the President in doing that?

Look, I just got back from the grocery store and I purchased a bucket load of IDIOT, so I really don't need anymore this month - I'm all stocked up.

You didn't take a stab at it, you ignored it. I have not problem believe YOU would buy a bucket load of idiot.
 
Actually, I like that one so much - I plan on leading with it on November 6th, after Ohio, comes rolling down hill. ;)

You have a suicide note written in case Obama fails to steal the election.?
 
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