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Jane Roe "Do not vote for Barack Obama, he murders babies" WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO

Choiceone posted this on another thread: I selected the part of the post that relates to my point that when a woman uses Birth Control she is saying NO to pregnancy.
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Pregnancy is a known consequence of unsuccessful contraception, and rape and murder are consequences of unsuccessful self-defense. Using any form of contraception while having sex is a clear statement of the intention not to accept getting pregnant.

That's why, when a woman uses contraception, it is not through her own action that the zygote comes into being, just as, when a woman says "No" and tries to the extent possible to reject sex, it is not through her own action that rape occurs.<SNIP>

http://www.debatepolitics.com/abort...more-rights-than-woman-56.html#post1061085267
 
When was the last time she was right about anything?

Comparing engaging in voluntary sex and risking pregnancy to rape was absurd then, and it's absurd now.

When you have voluntary heterosexual vaginal intercourse, you are saying "yes" to the possibility of pregnancy, both you and your partner.
 
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According to your chart, the only way to say no is to not bring sperm together with an egg. That means 0%. ...

My chart does not have abstinece on it.
Abstinece is not a type of contraception.
 
Give it time, the day is young and the GOP are experts in saying dumb things!

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The entire republiklan party is dedicated to stealing this election, they have stolen many in the past but always in the dark of night, this time it is right out in the open...
 
My chart does not have abstinece on it.
Abstinece is not a type of contraception.

Right, abstinence is the only way to avoid unplanned pregnancies. Would you say that someone not using birth control could still be saying "no" to pregnancy?
 
Yes, people can abstain from sex.
And there are times in our lives when it may be best if we do abstain from sex.
I abstained until I was married and I encouraged my children to do the same in their teen and young adult years.

But once most people reach their mid to late 20's most want to share an adult commited relationship with someone.

Sex is very impotant part of most adult couple relationships including marriage.
Sex should not be used just create children in most relationships. It is a part of being intimate with their spouce/significate other. It is wanting to please their spouce/partner to make both their spouce/partner and themselves feel closer to each other.
It is a way of showing how much they care about and how much they love each other.
 
Yes, people can abstain from sex.
And there are times in our lives when it may be best if we do abstain from sex.
I abstained until I was married and I encouraged my children to do the same in their teen and young adult years.

But once most people reach their mid to late 20's most want to share an adult commited relationship with someone.

Sex is very impotant part of most adult couple relationships including marriage.
Sex should not be used just create children in most relationships. It is a part of being intimate with their spouce/significate other. It is wanting to please their spouce/partner to make both their spouce/partner and themselves feel closer to each other.
It is a way of showing how much they care about and how much they love each other.

Saying no to pregnancy means abstinence. That is just fact. We don't have any other means to avoid it totally. Using contraception means you dont intend it but are willing to play the odds. Heck, i know a few people that dont intend to get pregnant but have sex without contraception anyway. Your post has good intention but blurs the bottom line and glamorizes the premise that as long as sex is beneficial to a relationship it somehow changes whether an unplanned pregnancy is responsible or not.
 
Using contraception is saying no to pregnancy.
If the contraception fails and
pregnancy occurs the woman does not need to gestate and give birth she can have an early legal abortion.
 
Using contraception is saying no to pregnancy.
If the contraception fails and
pregnancy occurs the woman does not need to gestate and give birth she can have an early legal abortion.

What some people say and what they do are usually two different things. If you say no, then no means no. Abstinence only. That is your only choice that we know of to be truthful, honest, and responsible. Contraception is not no means no. It is no with an asterisk. The asterisk being "but I'm willing to play the odds and potentially compromise my position".
 
What some people say and what they do are usually two different things. If you say no, then no means no. Abstinence only. That is your only choice that we know of to be truthful, honest, and responsible. Contraception is not no means no. It is no with an asterisk. The asterisk being "but I'm willing to play the odds and potentially compromise my position".

Accepting the risk of pregnancy does not mean a woman has to continue the pregnancy.

She can accept the risk while knowing that she if she does become pregnant she will have the choice of continuing the pregnancy or having a abortion.
As you said abstience is NOT contraception.
Couples are not going to STOP having sex just because a woman might might get pregnant.
Abstience is not a realistic solution to stop unwanted pregnancies.
THe only realistic way to cut down on the number of abortions in this country is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

The abortion rate has been coming down since 1981.

The abortion percentage of abortions vs 1000 live births went from a high of just over 30 % to hovering between 21.9% to 22.9 during the years 2004-2008( which is the lastest we have the stats for).

That was a decrease of about 8 percent in the last 27 years.

We need more effective ,affordable, easy to use, birth control , with fewer side effects to help bring the number of abortions down another 8 to 10 percent or so.
 
There's multiple reasons to vote against Obama...yet so often Republicans always have to go back to the emotional heart string tugging abortoin issue

Because they need a wedge issue to get the voters out. If the GOP was really against abortion they'd be for proper sex education, subsidized condoms and subsidized contraceptives. Most of them are not.
 
And I find it absurdly outrageous that anyone who claims to understand our Constitution doesn't think it applies to that defenseless child from being killed. That is among the most most basic Constitutional rights, the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Constitution and the laundry list of why the King Sucks also known as the Declaration of Independence. One is law, the other is a glorified rant. Learn the difference.

It does not surprise me in the slightest that the loudest, most radical on the right here have no real grasp of what the historical and legal documents of our society actually say and readily attribute the statements of one to each other.
 
Accepting the risk of pregnancy does not mean a woman has to continue the pregnancy.

She can accept the risk while knowing that she if she does become pregnant she will have the choice of continuing the pregnancy or having a abortion.
As you said abstience is NOT contraception.
Couples are not going to STOP having sex just because a woman might might get pregnant.
Abstience is not a realistic solution to stop unwanted pregnancies.
THe only realistic way to cut down on the number of abortions in this country is to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

The abortion rate has been coming down since 1981.

The abortion percentage of abortions vs 1000 live births went from a high of just over 30 % to hovering between 21.9% to 22.9 during the years 2004-2008( which is the lastest we have the stats for).

That was a decrease of about 8 percent in the last 27 years.

We need more effective ,affordable, easy to use, birth control , with fewer side effects to help bring the number of abortions down another 8 to 10 percent or so.

I realize couples will not stop having sex. My point is showing how it is irresponsible behavior if they state that pregnancy is not an option. IMO, we live in a culture that worships and distorts sexual desire, while making excuses for the dangers and responsibility that comes with it. That is why elective abortion sorrows me so much.
 
You seem to be unaware of the difference between the Constitution and the laundry list of why the King Sucks also known as the Declaration of Independence. One is law, the other is a glorified rant. Learn the difference.

It does not surprise me in the slightest that the loudest, most radical on the right here have no real grasp of what the historical and legal documents of our society actually say and readily attribute the statements of one to each other.

Yes the mission statement of the United States is just some rant.
 
If the GOP was really against abortion they'd be for proper sex education, subsidized condoms and subsidized contraceptives. Most of them are not.

Say, I'm against abortion. You want my tax dollars to do what now? Because it sort of sounds like you want the government to teach something it has no business teaching and you want me to buy things other people plan to consume, when they should buy their own.
 
I realize couples will not stop having sex. My point is showing how it is irresponsible behavior if they state that pregnancy is not an option. IMO, we live in a culture that worships and distorts sexual desire, while making excuses for the dangers and responsibility that comes with it. That is why elective abortion sorrows me so much.
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There has always been sexual desire since 'Adam and Eve".

Abortions have been taking place since at least the early Greek days.
Abortions will not go away as long as there are unwanted pregnancies.

And that is why I advocate for better access to more effective , affordable, easy to use, birth control , with fewer side effects.
 
Say, I'm against abortion. You want my tax dollars to do what now? Because it sort of sounds like you want the government to teach something it has no business teaching and you want me to buy things other people plan to consume, when they should buy their own.

Government has no business providing students with proper sexual education? Where did you get that idea?

What I never got about people like you is that you, yourself want to do nothing to solve a problem, but you want the problem to go away.

You want to complain and then have other people fix it for you.
 
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