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Democratic congressman's son discusses how to commit voter fraud...

He was. Proper response was, "Are you ****in' nutz? GTF out of here." I think, though, that he'll be lucky if this doesn't get legs and people (reporters) start investigating to see if they can dig up any fraud. It's obvious to me that this guy didn't like being questioned. He should have opened his mouth. Ah. Youth. But, if I'm not mistaken it was his idea re the water bills . . . that, in itself, is a little eyebrow raising, imo.
Ah, would the water bills have worked, I don't know? Anyway, its a lot of work to get caught and get a $10,000 fine.

Where is there any evidence that voter fraud is a problem?
 
Except when the source has been proven many times over to present doctored and highly misleading video footage, one might, or rather should, be embarrassed to present his latest and greatest "sting" as if it's compelling evidence of anything. Each of his previous bull**** attack videos has been debunked, but in each case it took some time and investigation to put the lie to them.

O'Keefe is scum, but he has, iirc, caught a couple of INDIVIDUALS doing some pretty stupid crap.

What he NEVER shows is all the videos where he is theown out on his ass and even has the police called on him. (One of the videos where the employee appeared to be going along with him she was actually stalling on instruction from LE. (Iirc))

Can't watch this one now, but looks pretty bad.

Hopefully homey gets.canned.

None of this is ok.
 
Ah, would the water bills have worked, I don't know? Anyway, its a lot of work to get caught and get a $10,000 fine.

Where is there any evidence that voter fraud is a problem?

I'm not going there with ya', pbrauer. Yes, I agree, it's a lot of work. I'm sure there are much easier ways. BUT this kid got caught up in youthful inexperience, in my opinion.
 
In this instance, how would one do that? Do you believe it was doctored? Did you watch it? It seems clear to me that it was a straight-on video of events as they unfolded. What do you think?

O'keefes modus is deceptive editing.

Mixing up the questions and answers for example to make it look like the subject is saying something they're not.

He's really bad. Tbere's some really good articles on it.

I'll check this one out when I can.

If he's provided the raw footage (he usually doesn't) it'a probably relatively legit.

But still mostly selective gotchas.

If you approach enough people, eventually you get a knucklehead to **** up.
 
Yes, I agree, it's a lot of work. I'm sure there are much easier ways.
Maybe easier, but still would be subject to the same fines and jail time.

BUT this kid got caught up in youthful inexperience, in my opinion.
Yes, he did.
 
I hate to have to say this again, but how about you address the video instead of attacking the source?

If you believe there is anything fishy or unclear with the video, that's a legitimate beef... But attacking O'Keefe's credibility is BS, because he isn't asking you to believe him, but rather your own 2 ears and eyes.

But he has REPEATEDLY presented deceptively edited video.

He has LIED to our eyes and ears.

So it absolutely IS prudent to ASSUME he is lying AGAIN.

Can't watc the video now so he may not be lying THIS time.
 
Maybe easier, but still would be subject to the same fines and jail time.


Yes, he did.

The more I think about it, the worse I feel, honestly. I know this kid got entrapped, no question about it. He may even have a broken moral compass; but one that could have been unskewed given a few years and the mentorship of his father. It's a shame really. If his father, or he himself, had any inclination of running for public office, I'd say he's pretty well screwed. *Shrug*
 


Go to 8:38 for the full unedited video.

There's a part of me that thinks this is pretty sneaky. But what would your reaction be as a full-time employee of your dad's campaign? Mine would be to run 60 mph in the opposite direction.

(He even tells the reporter that if his forgeries look good enough, one of their attorneys will defend him if he's caught.)


1) Patrick Moran is a dumbass for not shutting this guy down right off the bat.

2) If this guy (who created the video) had been a cop, he'd be riding really, really close to the entrapment line.

3) There is no conspiracy here. Moran never indicated any actual direct support for what this guy proposed to do, and encouraged him, three different times, to divert his energies into encouraging these registered voters to get out and vote. There is no demonstrated intent, no agreement, and no act in furtherance of the agreement (the elements of conspiracy).

4) This is just dirty pool all over the place. It's a sad, desperate thing to basically trap someone into supporting voter fraud.

5) Yes, I would distance myself from Moran at this point, if I were the candidate, but it's kind of messed up that such a thing is necessary.

6) The bigger question (beyond Patrick Moran being a moron) is, what the **** is wrong with the guy making the video? If he's really opposed to the candidate getting elected, and believes his candidate is right, why not actually, y'know, campaign on the issues, rather than trying to create a scandal where none would have existed absent his presence? That is the act of a coward.
 
NEVADA VOTER FRAUD LAW UPHELD, ACORN CONVICTION SUSTAINED Nevada Voter Fraud Law Upheld, ACORN Conviction Sustained

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud Read more: 18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud | Fox News

ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada Read more: ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada | Fox News

Hardly framed innocents...


Besides, look above. The Congressman's son has resigned. My guess is he resigned so the press would stop digging. Yours?

You do realize almost ALL these cases are those guhs who.sit oitside the supermarket turning in fake registration to pad their paychecks, right? Not actual intents to fraudule tly vote. Just extra registrations to

And the Nevada one was just a violation of a prohibition against paying bonuses to canvassers. No vote or registration fraud involved at all.

Look a little deeper.

And see how Fox lies.

Their article CLEARLY implies that ACORN was attempting to facilitate the casting of fraudulent votes.

I'm pretty sure NONE of the cases they listed actually involved attempts to cast fraudulent votes.
 
The more I think about it, the worse I feel, honestly. I know this kid got entrapped, no question about it. He may even have a broken moral compass; but one that could have been unskewed given a few years and the mentorship of his father. It's a shame really. If his father, or he himself, had any inclination of running for public office, I'd say he's pretty well screwed. *Shrug*

confused now...per the op:
the son of Virginia Rep. Jim Moran (and the Field Director for his father's campaign),
 
As a side note, the only person remotely close to committing an actual crime in this video is the guy who made the video. He was soliciting the commission of a crime. That would be a crime in and of itself, if he'd intended to go through with it.
 
I'm just waiting for something like this to happen with Tagg Romney. Exactly what is the purpose of owning one of the voting machine companies?
 
confused now...per the op:

I don't understand your post. Yes, it is the Congressman's son being talked about here. He resigned today shortly after the video was released, (The son, not the father.)
 
Sorry, I just don't get it. I just watched the unedited portion of the video. Sounds to me like Moran was trying to get only 1 vote...O'Keefe's. Yea, Moran could have said "Go away you creep, that's illegal!" I even feel a little sorry for the kid for having to resign. There are bigger issues to deal with in this campaign.
 
The bigger question (beyond Patrick Moran being a moron) is, what the **** is wrong with the guy making the video? If he's really opposed to the candidate getting elected, and believes his candidate is right, why not actually, y'know, campaign on the issues, rather than trying to create a scandal where none would have existed absent his presence? That is the act of a coward.

Wow... I can't believe you had the nerve to not only make O'Keefe the focal point of your post with those petty attacks, but then you actually attempt to shift part of the blame away from the guy caught on tape advising someone on how to get away with voter fraud, and shift it on the guy who busted him doing it.

Just wow.

If it's a democrat who's stung, it's entrapment by a political operative, story on page 6... If it's a republican that's stung, it's on the front page and that investigative journalist is up for a Pulitzer.... LMAO
 
it's a democrat who's stung, it's entrapment by a political operative, story on page 6... If it's a republican that's stung, it's on the front page and that investigative journalist is up for a Pulitzer.... LMAO

And Conservative/Republican persecution Complex makes another appearance.
 
Wow... I can't believe you had the nerve to not only make O'Keefe the focal point of your post with those petty attacks, but then you actually attempt to shift part of the blame away from the guy caught on tape advising someone on how to get away with voter fraud, and shift it on the guy who busted him doing it.

Is there an argument in there somewhere?

If it's a democrat who's stung, it's entrapment by a political operative, story on page 6... If it's a republican that's stung, it's on the front page and that investigative journalist is up for a Pulitzer.... LMAO

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This has what to do with me, exactly?
 
I even feel a little sorry for the kid for having to resign.

I have to admit, I felt a little sorry for the guy myself when I was watching it... But if having to resign and deal with the embarrassment is all that happens here, he should consider himself lucky. As painful as it was to watch, voter fraud is serious stuff and we need more videos like this to be made if we ever hope to eliminate it.
 
And Conservative/Republican persecution Complex makes another appearance.

And there's the petty insults you always turn to when you can't make a rational argument, or want desperately for a topic you don't like to go away.
 
And there's the petty insults you always turn to when you can't make a rational argument, or want desperately for a topic you don't like to go away.

Hmm, so your next non-argument/observation is that his observation isn't an argument?
 
Nope... That was an observation.

Given your strong opinion on the issue, I'm sure you could point out for me where, specifically, in the video, Mr. Moran indicated an intent to engage in voter fraud?

Nothing... Just an opinion related to this story.

Related how, exactly?
 
Given your strong opinion on the issue, I'm sure you could point out for me where, specifically, in the video, Mr. Moran indicated an intent to engage in voter fraud?

As far as I know, he didn't indicate he intended to engage in it... And I never said he did either. Here's what I said:

...you actually attempt to shift part of the blame away from the guy caught on tape advising someone on how to get away with voter fraud
 
I have to admit, I felt a little sorry for the guy myself when I was watching it... But if having to resign and deal with the embarrassment is all that happens here, he should consider himself lucky. As painful as it was to watch, voter fraud is serious stuff and we need more videos like this to be made if we ever hope to eliminate it.
This video proved exactly nothing except that the guy is a moron.... but so is James O'Keefe. And so are the idiots that believe this crap. Now tell me, Grim17, how do these people impersonating someone else for the purpose of voting... How they get past the signature part of voting????
 
As far as I know, he didn't indicate he intended to engage in it... And I never said he did either. Here's what I said:

...you actually attempt to shift part of the blame away from the guy caught on tape advising someone on how to get away with voter fraud

1) Why do you believe that part of the blame doesn't lie with the person who instigated the conversation? Do you disagree that Moran made three different attempts to dissuade the person asking him about voter fraud from attempting voter fraud?


2) Why haven't you answered my second question?
 
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