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Grim17

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CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL:
Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24%

CNN post debate Poll:
Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 48%; ROMNEY: 40%
Can Obama handle job of Cmdr. in Chief? Yes: 63%.
Can Romney handle job of Cmdr. in Chief? Yes: 60%
Who did debate make you more likely to vote for? Obama 24%, Romney 25% Neither 50%.

PPP post-debate poll:
Who are you more likely to vote for after debate? Obama 32% Romney 47%
Who are you less likely to vote for after debate? Obama 48% Romney 35%

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These polls play out just as I thought they would... Obama won the debate, but it didn't help Obama overall and didn't stop the public shift toward Romney or stop his momentum.
 
Grim17 said:
PPP post-debate poll:
Who are you more likely to vote for after debate? Obama 32% Romney 47%
Who are you less likely to vote for after debate? Obama 48% Romney 35%
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I think those numbers are wrong. PPP's poll said: "37% more likely to vote for Obama after the debate, 31% less likely, 30% say it made no difference." And: "Debate more of an Obama win than Romney loss. 38% still say it made them more likely to vote for Mitt, 35% less likely."
 
Who are you more likely to vote for after debate? Obama 32% Romney 47%
Who are you less likely to vote for after debate? Obama 48% Romney 35%
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Tells you everything you need to know

Romney outplayed the Chicago thugs politically by a mile
 
Anagram said:
I think those numbers are wrong. PPP's poll said: "37% more likely to vote for Obama after the debate, 31% less likely, 30% say it made no difference." And: "Debate more of an Obama win than Romney loss. 38% still say it made them more likely to vote for Mitt, 35% less likely."
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They are the same numbers I read so as posted they are accurate...now by accurate I mean hes posting accurately what the poll said the numbers where...is the poll accurate...who knows....but this paragraph from the same article could have some meaning..


Uncommitted voters in a CBS poll gave Obama a clear victory in the third round, with 53 percent saying he won the debate, while 23 percent said Romney won and 24 percent said it was a tie. In the first debate, 46 percent of uncommitted voters told CBS that Romney won.

Keyword Uncommitted voters...I still say the first debate has the most impact and romny won that hands down...the best obama can hope for with the slight win in the second debate and this more pronounced win is some stopgap damage control from his bad performance in this first debate
 
Grim17 said:
PPP post-debate poll:
Who are you more likely to vote for after debate? Obama 32% Romney 47%
Who are you less likely to vote for after debate? Obama 48% Romney 35%
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Nevermind, figured it out. Those are the numbers for independents in PPP's poll.
 
Not to burst your bubble, but there is no way a poll that has come out this soon can be accurate in terms of a sample set that would be free of certain biases. There just simply is not enough time, or people awake, to make an appropriate poll of the whole realm of voters. This is like an MSNBC or Fox poll of their viewers. If you want to be all happy about it because you fear the reality then jump up and down and cheer for all it's worth. A real number is not going to appear for at least a week due to the large number of people who didn't view the event, or have not seen it yet. Those people will get their impressions from the spin machines, people in their lives who they talk to, and the general social commentary that will interpret things for them. Plus it ill take time to actually poll a statistically sound group of people. This sort of poll only got people who the polling place could contact who saw to debate, and who knows what demographic that group falls into. One thing i know is it doesn'tr represent the millions of people who did not see or even care about this debate, and the people who went to sleep right after, and the people who didn't even have access to be polled.

But don't take science into account on any of this. It is clear that your interpretation of a thin margin of victory in a very biased poll is all you need to run with the idea that mitt romney won. All I can say about that is nice victory dance on the fifty yard line fools, but you failed to cross the goal line. Seriously, chris matthews still has hair left, so i don't think it was that big a success on Romney's part
 
tererun said:
Seriously, chris matthews still has hair left, so i don't think it was that big a success on Romney's part
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I think that Romney did everything that he had to do. When you debate a sitting president on foreign policy, the best you can hope for is to break even. There is no way you can 'destroy' the person who has the current responsibility unless the occupant is completely clueless.

Obama is not clueless - I disagree with him, but he has enough intelligence to be able to defend his positions.

Romney compared very well with Obama as a potential president. THAT is all that is required for a challenger. You cannot honestly say that Romney WON the debate in terms of debate points, but in the larger picture, Romney won his strategic goal. Nobody who watched this saw any reason to recoil from Romney as a president. That was the goal. Goal achieved. Not a good night for Obama who had to destroy Romney to reverse the trends. Didn't happen. Didn't even come close to happening.

But as for Matthews - he will set his hair on fire before this election is over. The dude needs to get measured for one of those long-long sleeved white jackets. He has gone over the edge. Sad really - he was once a competent journalist. Drank too much kool-aid.
 
tererun said:
Not to burst your bubble, but there is no way a poll that has come out this soon can be accurate in terms of a sample set that would be free of certain biases. There just simply is not enough time, or people awake, to make an appropriate poll of the whole realm of voters. This is like an MSNBC or Fox poll of their viewers. If you want to be all happy about it because you fear the reality then jump up and down and cheer for all it's worth. A real number is not going to appear for at least a week due to the large number of people who didn't view the event, or have not seen it yet. Those people will get their impressions from the spin machines, people in their lives who they talk to, and the general social commentary that will interpret things for them. Plus it ill take time to actually poll a statistically sound group of people. This sort of poll only got people who the polling place could contact who saw to debate, and who knows what demographic that group falls into. One thing i know is it doesn'tr represent the millions of people who did not see or even care about this debate, and the people who went to sleep right after, and the people who didn't even have access to be polled.

But don't take science into account on any of this. It is clear that your interpretation of a thin margin of victory in a very biased poll is all you need to run with the idea that mitt romney won. All I can say about that is nice victory dance on the fifty yard line fools, but you failed to cross the goal line. Seriously, chris matthews still has hair left, so i don't think it was that big a success on Romney's part
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Regression to the mean is typical human behavior as people either forget key details or their emotional glow wears off. I see no reason it won't happen here as well.

I don't expect either side will get a bump out of this over the next few weeks and we are going to stay in the same steady slight Obama lead until election day barring a sudden surprise that nobody could have predicted.
 
Grim17 said:
CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL:
Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24%

CNN post debate Poll:
Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 48%; ROMNEY: 40%
Can Obama handle job of Cmdr. in Chief? Yes: 63%.
Can Romney handle job of Cmdr. in Chief? Yes: 60%
Who did debate make you more likely to vote for? Obama 24%, Romney 25% Neither 50%.

PPP post-debate poll:
Who are you more likely to vote for after debate? Obama 32% Romney 47%
Who are you less likely to vote for after debate? Obama 48% Romney 35%

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These polls play out just as I thought they would... Obama won the debate, but it didn't help Obama overall and didn't stop the public shift toward Romney or stop his momentum.
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I think that Americans compared each candidate to the initial debate. Romney had a huge win and did a great job while Obama was barely even acting interested. So at the second debate - Americans were comparing the candidates to how they did in the first debate. Obama did better and Romney did about the same as the first time. So the reaction of Americans was to notice the huge improvement for Obama. The same in the third debate.

The second debate appeared to have had very little effect on the national polls. I would suspect that the third debate would be about the same, with little or no effect.
 
Give it to Obama on points, style goes to Romney. Think he did exactly what he intended to do. Stay out of the weeds and not get baited. Came off as having the ability to be CinC.

Think a couple of points might sting Obama a little.

1. His the Navy bit. With him wanting to win Virginia, downsizing the Navy doesn't bode too well for the State that has the largest US Navy base in the world.
2. He just took any negotiation he had out of the sequestration talks.
3. His snarkiness. The "Battleship" bit, condescending aircraft carrier/submarine, and horses and bayonets will come off as pretty douchebaggish. Plus, as he certainly didn't come up with that off the cuff, he needs to fire who did. US Spec Ops are still using horses today in Afghanistan. Bayonets are still used as well. While this will get cheers from his base, can see it easily having the opposite impact with indies.
 
Anagram said:
Nevermind, figured it out. Those are the numbers for independents in PPP's poll.
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Those numbers would be a lot more informative if they had asked the same question BEFORE the debate.
 
AdamT said:
Those numbers would be a lot more informative if they had asked the same question BEFORE the debate.
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they did, the pre-debate polls had Romney with a slight lead. the post-debate polls did not change that. Obama looked like a petulent child, Romney looked like a president and CIC.

BTW, Barry, the Marines used both horses and bayonetts in Afghanistan. Marine and infantry basic training includes bayonett skills.
 
Fishstyx said:
US Spec Ops are still using horses today in Afghanistan. Bayonets are still used as well.
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Bobcat said:
BTW, Barry, the Marines used both horses and bayonetts in Afghanistan. Marine and infantry basic training includes bayonett skills.
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Why some have trouble with the world around them.

The President didn't say we had NO horses or bayonets, he said....

"Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military’s changed.”
 
BWG said:
Why some have trouble with the world around them.

The President didn't say we had NO horses or bayonets, he said....

"Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military’s changed.”
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It was the tone of the comment and how he was trying to frame it... he was trying to say "Mitt was out of touch, like its 1845"... it was a loser of a line for Obama and Obama will keep sinking on day 2 , today..
 
Travis007 said:
It was the tone of the comment and how he was trying to frame it... he was trying to say "Mitt was out of touch, like its 1845"... it was a loser of a line for Obama and Obama will keep sinking on day 2 , today..
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It was an appropriate line to use against someone who was clueless about the uses of the current US Navy.
 
Bobcat said:
they did, the pre-debate polls had Romney with a slight lead. the post-debate polls did not change that. Obama looked like a petulent child, Romney looked like a president and CIC.

BTW, Barry, the Marines used both horses and bayonetts in Afghanistan. Marine and infantry basic training includes bayonett skills.
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Your proof?
 
The Army bayonet assault course kicked ass. I was definitely in the zone that day. Chili Mac and all. That was 1997.
 
Muddy Creek said:
It was an appropriate line to use against someone who was clueless about the uses of the current US Navy.
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you don't know **** about the Navy or how many ships we have, need, etc.
 
Muddy Creek said:
It was an appropriate line to use against someone who was clueless about the uses of the current US Navy.
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yea.. clueless... like how Obama was "clueless" on Navy "CORPSmen"...Please.. who you trying to fool... the military hates Obama..

PS: Obama just lost Virginia.. I guess Obama was clueless...
 
Aberration said:
The Army bayonet assault course kicked ass. I was definitely in the zone that day. Chili Mac and all. That was 1997.
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Thank You for your service.. God Bless..

GO MITT!
 
Bobcat said:
you don't know **** about the Navy or how many ships we have, need, etc.
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Really?

Navy - Today's Military

Currently comprised of more than 328,648 personnel, today’s Navy is equipped to handle operations both on and under the sea, in the air and on the ground. Its reach is worldwide, spanning 100 international ports and touching the farthest corners of the open ocean. Elite groups within the Navy, such as the SEALS and Navy Divers, receive specialized training for advanced warfare situations. A Navy Sailor generally serves a term of four years aboard one of the Navy’s 285 deployable ships, though options for shorter time commitments exist.
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top 10 best navy warships in the world - YouTube
 
Travis007 said:
Thank You for your service.. God Bless..

GO MITT!
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I'd like to go through the assault course again. :( We had a guy stab himself in the leg AND I broke one of the dummies.

It was a good day.
 
Travis007 said:
yea.. clueless... like how Obama was "clueless" on Navy "CORPSmen"...Please.. who you trying to fool... the military hates Obama..

PS: Obama just lost Virginia.. I guess Obama was clueless...
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<yawn> The blabbering of the uninformed FOX viewers.
 
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