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What Romney really said about GM . . .

MaggieD

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I wasn't aware of this, actually. Romney was correct. Obama was wrong. His campaign lied. Romney NEVER said, “Let GM fail.”

Mitt Romney's op-ed piece that started it all:

IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed. Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

I love cars, American cars. I was born in Detroit, the son of an auto chief executive. In 1954, my dad, George Romney, was tapped to run American Motors when its president suddenly died. The company itself was on life support — banks were threatening to deal it a death blow. The stock collapsed. I watched Dad work to turn the company around — and years later at business school, they were still talking about it. From the lessons of that turnaround, and from my own experiences, I have several prescriptions for Detroit’s automakers.

First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than that of foreign producers.
That extra burden is estimated to be more than $2,000 per car. Think what that means: Ford, for example, needs to cut $2,000 worth of features and quality out of its Taurus to compete with Toyota’s Avalon. Of course the Avalon feels like a better product — it has $2,000 more put into it. Considering this disadvantage, Detroit has done a remarkable job of designing and engineering its cars. But if this cost penalty persists, any bailout will only delay the inevitable.
Second, management as is must go. New faces should be recruited from unrelated industries — from companies widely respected for excellence in marketing, innovation, creativity and labor relations.

The new management must work with labor leaders to see that the enmity between labor and management comes to an end. This division is a holdover from the early years of the last century, when unions brought workers job security and better wages and benefits. But as Walter Reuther, the former head of the United Automobile Workers, said to my father, “Getting more and more pay for less and less work is a dead-end street.”

You don’t have to look far for industries with unions that went down that road. Companies in the 21st century cannot perpetuate the destructive labor relations of the 20th. This will mean a new direction for the U.A.W., profit sharing or stock grants to all employees and a change in Big Three management culture.

The need for collaboration will mean accepting sanity in salaries and perks. At American Motors, my dad cut his pay and that of his executive team, he bought stock in the company, and he went out to factories to talk to workers directly. Get rid of the planes, the executive dining rooms — all the symbols that breed resentment among the hundreds of thousands who will also be sacrificing to keep the companies afloat.

Investments must be made for the future. No more focus on quarterly earnings or the kind of short-term stock appreciation that means quick riches for executives with options. Manage with an eye on cash flow, balance sheets and long-term appreciation. Invest in truly competitive products and innovative technologies — especially fuel-saving designs — that may not arrive for years. Starving research and development is like eating the seed corn.

Just as important to the future of American carmakers is the sales force. When sales are down, you don’t want to lose the only people who can get them to grow. So don’t fire the best dealers, and don’t crush them with new financial or performance demands they can’t meet.

It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers
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But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost. The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk. In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN HAVE LIED ALL ALONG. ​Conservatives, we should have caught this. Or maybe everyone did but me...

Thoughts?
 
I wasn't aware of this, actually. Romney was correct. Obama was wrong. His campaign lied. Romney NEVER said, “Let GM fail.”

Mitt Romney's op-ed piece that started it all:



OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN HAVE LIED ALL ALONG. ​Conservatives, we should have caught this. Or maybe everyone did but me...

Thoughts?

Big key there Post-Bankruptcy guaruntees....There was not capital to allow a post-bankruptcy without DIRECT Federal funds. Please put your spin somewhere else. Romney stated directly that he did NOT support direct Federal funds for the auto industry. He believed private capital should be used. If no private capital then the company fails. The post-bankruptcy would have been AFTER the GM and Chrysler went OUT OF BUSINESS. There was NO PRIVATE CAPITAL available. Sell your spin somwhere else. Romney, like almost every issue, is trying to have it all ways to anyone willing to buy is crap. If you buy crap you get crap.
 
I wasn't aware of this, actually. Romney was correct. Obama was wrong. His campaign lied. Romney NEVER said, “Let GM fail.”
OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN HAVE LIED ALL ALONG. ​Conservatives, we should have caught this. Or maybe everyone did but me...

Thoughts?

What amazes me is that Obama lying is nothing new, but so many people either can't see it, or put blinders on.
 
Big key there Post-Bankruptcy guaruntees....There was not capital to allow a post-bankruptcy without DIRECT Federal funds. Please put your spin somewhere else. Romney stated directly that he did NOT support direct Federal funds for the auto industry. He believed private capital should be used. If no private capital then the company fails. The post-bankruptcy would have been AFTER the GM and Chrysler went OUT OF BUSINESS. There was NO PRIVATE CAPITAL available. Sell your spin somwhere else. Romney, like almost every issue, is trying to have it all ways to anyone willing to buy is crap. If you buy crap you get crap.

You don't understand bankruptcy. This is where the Obama got the fodder that he wanted GM to fail. That's not what Romney wanted at all. And not what would have happened. Please don't pretend to be knowledge about that which you obviously know nothing.

What amazes me is that Obama lying is nothing new, but so many people either can't see it, or put blinders on.

I'd always agreed with the logic of Romney to let GM go through bankruptcy...but I didn't know that at the same time he'd supported government loan guarantees. I've been bamboozled by the spin!! ;)
 
Big key there Post-Bankruptcy guaruntees....There was not capital to allow a post-bankruptcy without DIRECT Federal funds. Please put your spin somewhere else. Romney stated directly that he did NOT support direct Federal funds for the auto industry. He believed private capital should be used. If no private capital then the company fails. The post-bankruptcy would have been AFTER the GM and Chrysler went OUT OF BUSINESS. There was NO PRIVATE CAPITAL available. Sell your spin somwhere else. Romney, like almost every issue, is trying to have it all ways to anyone willing to buy is crap. If you buy crap you get crap.

Romney's op-ed contradicts what you claim he said....just sayin'
 
You don't understand bankruptcy. This is where the Obama got the fodder that he wanted GM to fail. That's not what Romney wanted at all. And not what would have happened. Please don't pretend to be knowledge about that which you obviously know nothing.

I'd always agreed with the logic of Romney to let GM go through bankruptcy...but I didn't know that at the same time he'd supported government loan guarantees. I've been bamboozled by the spin!! ;)

No offense, Maggie, but YOU do not understand. Romney's position was that the government should not help the companies through bankruptcy. His position was that they should go through the process on their own and then maybe he's give them some support to help them get back on their feet.

But the reality is that there was absolutely no way they could go through Chapter 11 without massive government assistance. That's because the credit markets were completely locked up and there was no chance at all that private lenders were going to put up the $50 - $100 billion necessary to complete the process.

The result of Romney's policy would have been Chapter 7 liquidation.
 
I wasn't aware of this, actually. Romney was correct. Obama was wrong. His campaign lied. Romney NEVER said, “Let GM fail.”

Mitt Romney's op-ed piece that started it all:



OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN HAVE LIED ALL ALONG. ​Conservatives, we should have caught this. Or maybe everyone did but me...

Thoughts?

Maggie, can you point me to a spot where Obama said that Romney said that?

Rather, the point the Obama campaign has been making is "Romney's suggestion would have caused GM to fail." Because the private credit required to bail out GM simply wasn't available at the time. Federal guarantees of credit are useless if the credit doesn't exist in the first place.
 
I wasn't aware of this, actually. Romney was correct. Obama was wrong. His campaign lied. Romney NEVER said, “Let GM fail.”

Mitt Romney's op-ed piece that started it all:



OBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN HAVE LIED ALL ALONG. ​Conservatives, we should have caught this. Or maybe everyone did but me...

Thoughts?

Of course Obama lied...

GM should have been allowed to fail, democrats were opposed - because they knew a bunch of UAW workers out of work is bad carma....

In short - GM wasn't the concern but union workers were.

A book could be written on GM, UAW and Obama (progressives) on this GM issue......
 
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No offense, Maggie, but YOU do not understand. Romney's position was that the government should not help the companies through bankruptcy. His position was that they should go through the process on their own and then maybe he's give them some support to help them get back on their feet.

But the reality is that there was absolutely no way they could go through Chapter 11 without massive government assistance. That's because the credit markets were completely locked up and there was no chance at all that private lenders were going to put up the $50 - $100 billion necessary to complete the process.

The result of Romney's policy would have been Chapter 7 liquidation.

No offense, Adam, but I think that a guy who put companies back together (and took them apart) for a living recognized that GM was never EVER going to be liquidated. You and I are always going to disagree, Adam, because our subjective opinions are soooo different; but I do enjoy seeing your name in the New Posts thread, 'cause I always know you'll get my heart racing. :rofl
 
No offense, Adam, but I think that a guy who put companies back together (and took them apart) for a living recognized that GM was never EVER going to be liquidated. You and I are always going to disagree, Adam, because our subjective opinions are soooo different; but I do enjoy seeing your name in the New Posts thread, 'cause I always know you'll get my heart racing. :rofl

If he failed to see it, he's not as good at putting companies back together as you think he is. That kind of credit wasn't there for anybody.

Obama never claimed Romney said "Let GM fail." You're making a false accusation. So who is really lying?
 
No offense, Adam, but I think that a guy who put companies back together (and took them apart) for a living recognized that GM was never EVER going to be liquidated. You and I are always going to disagree, Adam, because our subjective opinions are soooo different; but I do enjoy seeing your name in the New Posts thread, 'cause I always know you'll get my heart racing. :rofl

Whether he realized it or not is something we can guess about, but it is what would have happened if he actually carried out his stated policy position.

Don't forget that he didn't just put companies back together. He also tore them apart when he thought it would put more money in his bank account.
 
Maggie, can you point me to a spot where Obama said that Romney said that?

Rather, the point the Obama campaign has been making is "Romney's suggestion would have caused GM to fail." Because the private credit required to bail out GM simply wasn't available at the time. Federal guarantees of credit are useless if the credit doesn't exist in the first place.

From the transcript:

OBAMA: The — look, I think anybody out there can check the record. Governor Romney, you keep on trying to, you know airbrush history here. You were very clear that you would not provide, government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy. You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn't true. They would have gone through a...
(CROSSTALK)
ROMNEY: You're wrong...
(CROSSTALK)
OBAMA: ...they would have gone through a...
(CROSSTALK)
ROMNEY: ...you're wrong.
(CROSSTALK)
OBAMA: No, I am not wrong. I am not wrong.
(CROSSTALK)
ROMNEY: People can look it up, you're right.
OBAMA: People will look it up.
ROMNEY: Good.


Read more: Transcript: Presidential debate, Oct. 22, 2012 (text, video) - Politico Staff - POLITICO.com
 
Where are all the bailouts for all these small businesses?? Oh yeah they don't exist because small businesses don't employ UNION workers....
 
Whether he realized it or not is something we can guess about, but it is what would have happened if he actually carried out his stated policy position.

Don't forget that he didn't just put companies back together. He also tore them apart when he thought it would put more money in his bank account.

You are wrong.

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Know what? I'm sick of posting good solid information and having Obama supporters deny, spin and parse the truth right straight through into the darkness.

Liberals: This post isn't for you. This is for the conservatives on this forum who wondered about where that information was coming from.
 
You don't understand bankruptcy. This is where the Obama got the fodder that he wanted GM to fail. That's not what Romney wanted at all. And not what would have happened. Please don't pretend to be knowledge about that which you obviously know nothing.



I'd always agreed with the logic of Romney to let GM go through bankruptcy...but I didn't know that at the same time he'd supported government loan guarantees. I've been bamboozled by the spin!! ;)

I have several in-laws who understand bankruptcy, or they should, having gone through it more than once....
Regular bankruptcies are small scale bail-outs where creditors lose, share holders of the companies lose, etc.
The bailouts our govt are involved in are massive bailouts where taxpayers lose.
Did I miss a chance to vote against these massive bailouts? I must have been on a cruise and missed it...
 
You are wrong.

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Know what? I'm sick of posting good solid information and having Obama supporters deny, spin and parse the truth right straight through into the darkness.

Liberals: This post isn't for you. This is for the conservatives on this forum who wondered about where that information was coming from.

can a moderate agree with you? altho I am very conservative when it comes to money....

I liked it when Romney told Obama that he invested taxpayer money in green companies when he should have been investing in research.
What Obama did isn't a bailout, it is a handout....
 
obama blew that one big time.
He gave back the point scored in the second debate on " terrorist attack".

And Romney had the sense to say, "They can look it up." Which is exactly what I did -- and should have done a long time ago.
 
can a moderate agree with you? altho I am very conservative when it comes to money....

I liked it when Romney told Obama that he invested taxpayer money in green companies when he should have been investing in research.
What Obama did isn't a bailout, it is a handout....

I agree. I thought that was sound, logical thinking. Invest in research. Researchers generally don't go bankrupt and take government money with them down the drain. ;)
 
You are wrong.

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Know what? I'm sick of posting good solid information and having Obama supporters deny, spin and parse the truth right straight through into the darkness.

Liberals: This post isn't for you. This is for the conservatives on this forum who wondered about where that information was coming from.

Thank you for posting it, Maggie. I knew you were right before you posted it though, because I was actually listening during the debate.
 
No offense, Maggie, but YOU do not understand. Romney's position was that the government should not help the companies through bankruptcy. His position was that they should go through the process on their own and then maybe he's give them some support to help them get back on their feet.

But the reality is that there was absolutely no way they could go through Chapter 11 without massive government assistance. That's because the credit markets were completely locked up and there was no chance at all that private lenders were going to put up the $50 - $100 billion necessary to complete the process.

The result of Romney's policy would have been Chapter 7 liquidation.

The 50- 100 billion number you cite is a lie. Not shocking as this has been the linchpin of the Chicago campaign. To say that there was NO capital is another lie.

Perhaps the new Obama campaign strategy should be a picture of P.T. Barum with his saying:

No one ever went broke underestimating the American public.
 
can a moderate agree with you? altho I am very conservative when it comes to money....

I liked it when Romney told Obama that he invested taxpayer money in green companies when he should have been investing in research.
What Obama did isn't a bailout, it is a handout....

The government already provides tons of money for basic research, but I agree that they could invest more.
 
And Romney had the sense to say, "They can look it up." Which is exactly what I did -- and should have done a long time ago.

Democratic spin, this one was a pretty good one.

But truly the republicans are way way better at it and always have been.
(no disrespect intended) Just an observation from a retired sales and marketing exec. with an interest in the art of propaganda/
 
The 50- 100 billion number you cite is a lie. Not shocking as this has been the linchpin of the Chicago campaign. To say that there was NO capital is another lie.

Perhaps the new Obama campaign strategy should be a picture of P.T. Barum with his saying:

No one ever went broke underestimating the American public.

Actually, it is a dead-nuts fact. The actual bankruptcies required $80 billion from the government and it would have cost more if it had gone through private bankruptcy which could not have been done as quickly.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lm-says-romneys-response-auto-crisis-was-let/
 
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