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The Benghazi attack attack crumbles

Fisher said:
Not sure what the taxes and economy have to do with the Benghazi story.

There has been ample evidence stated in the media in the last month indicating that AQ's presence is increasing in the region and that there are other radical groups in the region. The story IMO is not whether or not this attack was the result of a video or planned so much as it is that there apparently was intelligence indicating there was a need for increased security that was never provided. The point in whichever debate, I think the VP debate, that the Ambassador in Paris has better security than the Ambassador in Libya did was a profound but under-appreciated aspect to this story.
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Actually, the cuts repubicans made to the Embassy security is the problem.
 
MaggieD said:
Wow, then the President was wrong in the Rose Garden when he said it was a terrorist attack. Who knew?
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Only if you're part of the misinformed who watch FOX news.
 
tererun said:
I don't see what the huge problem is from the republicans. First they cut budgets which will cause the government to have to stretch it's resources thinner. It also means that requests to the beurocracy for extra support in non-war areas are generally going to go unheard unless they could prove a necessity through protests and riots which were not occurring. So i am not too surprised the place was staffed the way it was. The republicans can piss and moan, but it was partially their attitudes toward sinking this country through budget tantrums that was a part of the reasons we were understaffed. Simply we have to either give up the consulates, or pay for them. When republicans throw a spoiled tantrum and threaten to have us placed on restrictive budgets it gives all of us a problem. If they want us to cut back our foreign involvement to save money then they should do that. Simply not funding what is there is dangerous to the people who are there, and their tantrum is a part of this problem just as much as obama is.

Still, it is a foreign consulate in a recent warzone that is in a country that is not properly secured by it's own people. Yeah, there are going to be problems. Especially when the local terrorist or violent people get riled up about things. Despite the republican claims this is supposedly US territory the fact is this is not in the middle of iowa. This is a small piece of land in a large and volatile country with many factions that dislike america. You take your life in your own hands working there. It is like being in the military in a warzone. the fact is you are highly likely to get hurt. Only in this case they are not military with support forces and equipment to face off an armed response. Yeah, a group of locals who are used to fighting is going to swarm a building with 4 people in it if they have over 10 people. If you want them to have more people then we have to fund it, and that means higher taxes and support from the rich people ho seem to get the most from these foreign consulates anyway. Sorry, but the middle and poor class on't get a benefit from foreign consulates in libya. We don't have contracting businesses there. We don't take trips there. Simply it is america's elite and rich who will need the consulate to make deals with libya to get their resources. You want the business contacts in these little african countries prone to violence then you get your damned checkbook out and start writing in some big money to pay for the US forces that are there. The rich want our people there, but they don't want to pay the taxes to the government that allows them the protection in foreign pl;aces to rip other people off.

yet another reason the rich should be taxed much more than they are now.
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Republicans' fault. Of course.

We certainly needed that marine presence at the embassy in Barbados. Not enough money for Libya. Damn Republians.
 
zimmer said:
Absolutely. It's a poison that is in every society... but once upon a time Americans ridiculed such behavior... now the Left foments it. To think JFK 40 short years ago sounded like Reagan on the issue of taxation, revenue generation and economic vibrancy.

Now we have the Marx Wing of the Democrat Party, and there doesn't seem to be much room for anyone else; so much for their Big Tent. It's more like you've got the choice of Tent or Gulag. Ask Joe Lieberman.
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A fine example of absolutist thinking that is so common on the right in America. JFK was looking at far different tax rates when he made the comments you quote so approvingly. Yeah, why don't we go back to the tax rates he was pushing for

John F. Kennedy

Marginal Tax Rate on Regular Income over $400,000: 91%

Maximum Tax Rate on Long-Term Capital Gains: 25%

At the beginning of his presidency, John F. Kennedy inherited a tax policy with a 25 percent maximum rate on long-term capital gains and a regular income tax rate of 91 percent – nearly the highest income tax in the century.

There were no changes to these tax policies during his presidency.

Lyndon B. Johnson

Marginal Tax Rate on Regular Income: Over $400,000: 91% - Over $200,000: 75.25%

Maximum Tax Rate on Long-Term Capital Gains: 25% - 26.9%

The marginal tax rate on the highest regular income bracket fell below 90 percent for the first time in 20 years in 1964 – the first year of Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency.
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Why are we talking taxes in a thread about Benghazi?


Why aren't we talking about the rabid ideologue, Darrel Issa (R-Idiot) releasing documents which revealed the names of Libyans who have been helping the US investigate the killings? Yet one more instance of Republicans showing they care more about gaining power than the security of this nation.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Joe Lieberman is a republican.

What's the analogy to the Gulag about?
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Since when is Joe Lieberman a Republican?
Gulag... excommunicated... sent away... treated as an enemy of the state... etc.
 
zimmer said:
Since when is Joe Lieberman a Republican?
Gulag... excommunicated... sent away... treated as an enemy of the state... etc.
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Beat me to it.

To many of the far left blinder society, facts don't matter. The sound of something when you say it is all that matters.
 
Somerville said:
A fine example of absolutist thinking that is so common on the right in America. JFK was looking at far different tax rates when he made the comments you quote so approvingly. Yeah, why don't we go back to the tax rates he was pushing for
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The theory would work today as it did in JFK's day, as it did with Reagan.
Why don't we go back to tax rates at the turn of the last century? Before the 16th Amendment.
 
zimmer said:
The theory would work today as it did in JFK's day, as it did with Reagan.
Why don't we go back to tax rates at the turn of the last century? Before the 16th Amendment.
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Why don't we raise them and create a heathly economy?
 
Rokkitsci said:
Beat me to it.

To many of the far left blinder society, facts don't matter. The sound of something when you say it is all that matters.
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WTF? I asked for clarification.
 
MaggieD said:
Republicans' fault. Of course.

We certainly needed that marine presence at the embassy in Barbados. Not enough money for Libya. Damn Republians.
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Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'

Jason Chaffetz Embassy Cuts
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) voted to cut back on funds for embassy security. (AP Photo/J. Scott)

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
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You got it right. Damn repubilcans. Cutting embassy security so the rich get more tax cuts.
 
Somerville said:
A fine example of absolutist thinking that is so common on the right in America. JFK was looking at far different tax rates when he made the comments you quote so approvingly. Yeah, why don't we go back to the tax rates he was pushing for




Why are we talking taxes in a thread about Benghazi?


Why aren't we talking about the rabid ideologue, Darrel Issa (R-Idiot) releasing documents which revealed the names of Libyans who have been helping the US investigate the killings? Yet one more instance of Republicans showing they care more about gaining power than the security of this nation.
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Let's start a thread on that. Or reverse this gibberish on taxes the right isn't actually proving anyway.

Dana Milbank: Letting us in on a secret - The Washington Post

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In their questioning and in the public testimony they invited, the lawmakers managed to disclose, without ever mentioning Langley directly, that there was a seven-member “rapid response force” in the compound the State Department was calling an annex. One of the State Department security officials was forced to acknowledge that “not necessarily all of the security people” at the Benghazi compounds “fell under my direct operational control.”

And whose control might they have fallen under? Well, presumably it’s the “other government agency” or “other government entity” the lawmakers and witnesses referred to; Issa informed the public that this agency was not the FBI.

“Other government agency,” or “OGA,” is a common euphemism in Washington for the CIA. This “other government agency,” the lawmakers’ questioning further revealed, was in possession of a video of the attack but wasn’t releasing it because it was undergoing “an investigative process.”

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Once again, racism leads to treason here.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Why don't we raise them and create a heathly economy?
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why not take 99% of the income of everyone making over 1 million? lets punish those evil greedy hollywood people and rap stars.
 
Muddy Creek said:
Political positions of Joe Lieberman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Up until this year, Joe has sided with republcians because it gets him votes.

Not sure what you were showing with your JFK video and comments, I guess.
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On the one vote that really mattered... he voted for the abomination called ObamaKare.

No Republican voted for it, and it surely will not win him votes from the right.

As for the vid. I was showing a Democrat giving a speech about how one goes about generating economic growth. The exact opposite of what the modern Libs seek. JFK sounds like Reagan.
 
Somerville said:
A fine example of absolutist thinking that is so common on the right in America. JFK was looking at far different tax rates when he made the comments you quote so approvingly. Yeah, why don't we go back to the tax rates he was pushing for
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zimmer said:
The theory would work today as it did in JFK's day, as it did with Reagan.
Why don't we go back to tax rates at the turn of the last century? Before the 16th Amendment.
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Why are we talking taxes in a thread about Benghazi?


Why aren't we talking about the rabid ideologue, Darrel Issa (R-Idiot) releasing documents which revealed the names of Libyans who have been helping the US investigate the killings? Yet one more instance of Republicans showing they care more about gaining power than the security of this nation.
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Your reply is exactly what I mean when I use the term "absolutist thinking" in describing present-day Republican ideology. Cutting taxes from a rate of 91% down to say 50% is CUTTING TAXES!, just as cutting taxes from 35% to 28% is CUTTING TAXES!, however the resultant effects upon the national economy are far different.


One has to be able to look at more than Luntz-approved phases and actually take the time to understand the matters under discussion.
 
MaggieD said:
I couldn't agree with you more if I tried. Why the HELL did we have a marine presence at the Paris Embassy? The Barbados Embassy? Yet in Libya, despite their asking for more security twice? They got nothing. Please don't try to spin this into a Republican failure. This was a failure of our State Department.
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Arent you guys the ones talking about the radical muslims in Europe taking over the government? I'd say that's why. And I think Marine guards are standard. Why would the republicans remove funds for security at embassies?
 
zimmer said:
The theory would work today as it did in JFK's day, as it did with Reagan.
Why don't we go back to tax rates at the turn of the last century? Before the 16th Amendment.
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Bobcat said:
why not take 99% of the income of everyone making over 1 million? lets punish those evil greedy hollywood people and rap stars.
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Why don't you start a thread on the topic of taxes and let this one return to its subject - the Benghazi attack?
 
zimmer said:
On the one vote that really mattered... he voted for the abomination called ObamaKare.

No Republican voted for it, and it surely will not win him votes from the right.

As for the vid. I was showing a Democrat giving a speech about how one goes about generating economic growth. The exact opposite of what the modern Libs seek. JFK sounds like Reagan.
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Could it be an exact opposite economic situation? We had jobs out the whazoo then. Now, we don't even have jobs with liveable wages.

Can't apply economic standards of a successful economy under JFK and give it to the economic ruined economy the republicans gave us and still block for its success.
 
MaggieD said:
I couldn't agree with you more if I tried. Why the HELL did we have a marine presence at the Paris Embassy? The Barbados Embassy? Yet in Libya, despite their asking for more security twice? They got nothing. Please don't try to spin this into a Republican failure. This was a failure of our State Department.
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Standard practice at all EMBASSIES - the attack in Benghazi was on a CONSULATE.
 
Bobcat said:
why not take 99% of the income of everyone making over 1 million? lets punish those evil greedy hollywood people and rap stars.
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This makes no sense. It's partisan hack Limbaugh comments. Not worthy of a discussion.

YOu have some concrete opinions to offer?
 
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