What People Are Saying

bill the bubba with bruce the boss in parma, ohio, just south of cleveland, lot of catholics, thursday:

"governor romney's argument is we're not fixed so fire him and put me in, it is true, we're not fixed, when president obama looked into the eyes of that man who said at the debate 'i had so much hope 4 years ago and i don't now,' i thought he was gonna cry, cuz he knows it's not fixed"

Bill Clinton: Romney's Argument Is True, Obama Hasn't Fixed Country - YouTube

thursday with the mrs: women of america need to stop whining

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says in a new interview that she can’t stand “whining” by women who are unhappy with the work and family choices they’ve made in life and complain that they have no options.

Clinton, in the interview with Marie Claire, was discussing Anne-Marie Slaughter, a former director of policy planning at the State Department who left in 2011. This summer, Slaughter wrote a much-discussed cover story in the Atlantic — “Why Women Still Can’t Have It all” — about leaving her job because of the difficulty of balancing her work at State with the needs of her two teenage boys.

“I can’t stand whining,” Clinton told Marie Claire. “I can’t stand the kind of paralysis that some people fall into because they’re not happy with the choices they’ve made. You live in a time when there are endless choices. … Money certainly helps, and having that kind of financial privilege goes a long way, but you don’t even have to have money for it. But you have to work on yourself. … Do something!”

Clinton added, “Some women are not comfortable working at the pace and intensity you have to work at in these jobs. … Other women don’t break a sweat. …They have four or five, six kids. They’re highly organized, they have very supportive networks.”

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Hillary Clinton trashes whiners - POLITICO

affable, gaffe-able, laughable joe biden in vegas, also thursday:

Biden: how many of you know someone who served in Iraq or Iran

michelle at a nyc fundraiser on wednesday:

First lady: President 'didn't point fingers, didn't place blame' - The Hill

obama, who speaks these days exclusively to college kids, in ohio, wednesday:

Obama: "I'm Not Too Proud To Beg; I Want You To Vote" | RealClearPolitics

romney spokesperson barbara comstock went on andrea mitchell thursday, ms mitchell read from a binder some questions about lily ledbetter and equal pay

msnbc pays its women less, rejoined the romney-ite

i know, came back ms mitchell

Romney Adviser Says MSNBC Pays Women Less Than Men, Andrea Mitchell Agrees | RealClearPolitics

obama personally pays women staff 18% less than men

War on women: Obama White House paid women less than men in 2011 - Examiner

anita dunn, one of obama's debate coaches, once said obama's white house "fits all the classical legal requirements of a genuinely hostile workplace to women"

christina romer, his council of economic advisers chair, said "i felt like a piece of meat"

no less than valerie jarrett, the only insider who may have as much influence on the obamas as david axelrod, felt the need to take the complaints about sexism to the president, who reportedly felt the need to address them

Friction over women's role in Obama White House was intense - The Washington Post

what else are people saying?

on thursday, lawrence odonnell threw down against tagg

MSNBC's O'Donnell Challenges Romney Son To Fight: "Take Your Best Shot" | RealClearPolitics

on thursday, ann went on the view and received a rather different reception from that extended to the obamas three weeks ago

Ann Romney's Appearance on "The View" : The New Yorker

andrea mitchell, friday, on obama's less than optimal moment on jon stewart thursday: "it shows a lack of command of the moment"

chuck todd, friday: "obama's message feels like the past"

david gregory on nbc's today, yesterday, concerning libya: " still more questions about what was known and when, about whether this was a terrorist attack and whether the administration came clean about it... there's still some confusion about how the administration response on this was sluggish, sloppy and incoherent at some times"

jake tapper, yesterday: "they're the questions the president cannot escape, why do we still not know what went wrong in benghazi, why was the administration's response so confusing"

enjoy the debate, denizens, eager to engage on the eu, borrowing, stimulus, bailouts and inflation

the reset with russia, which evidently requires more flexibility

the rise of china, its currency manipulation, its relationships with korea and iran, threats vs japan, militarization and human rights

iran

israel, palestine, hamas, hezbollah, syria and leading from behind

the hijacking of arab spring by fundamentalists, even jihadists, across dangerous regions thruout the muslim world

the chavez revolution, honduras, the ominous presence of jihadists in latin america

mexico and the cartels

afghanistan, the failure of the surge, the green vs blue attacks which cruelly kick out the props underpinning our entire exit strategy, afghanization

sequester cuts

so what's the gray lady saying?

Witnesses and the authorities have called Ahmed Abu Khattala one of the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 attack on the American diplomatic mission here. But just days after President Obama reasserted his vow to bring those responsible to justice, Mr. Abu Khattala spent two leisurely hours on Thursday evening at a crowded luxury hotel, sipping a strawberry frappe on a patio and scoffing at the threats coming from the American and Libyan governments.

Mr. Abu Khattala’s defiance — no authority has even questioned him about the attack, he said, and he has no plans to go into hiding — offered insight into the shadowy landscape of the self-formed militias that have come to constitute the only source of social order in Libya since the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qadaffi.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/w...zi-attack-scoffs-at-us.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

so the fbi can't find him but the nyt can?

kinda like cnn picking up the ambassador's diary off the ransacked floor of the burned out and abandoned consulate 4 days after the assassinations

ie, not optimal

Hillary is actually very correct. Not everyone is the same, and not everyone is as capable as the last person. here we have hillary clinton who had a child and also became one of the most powerful women in the world, along with her husband who has to be one of the biggest political figures in the world and was what many call a successful president twice in a row. They have a kid. of course, they had to make sacrifices for all that. No they were not around all the time to coddle their child like a stay at home mother would be. Chelsea seems to be pretty well off, not like the GWB daughters. Then we have Ann romney. the woman had trouble raising 5 boys with millions of dollars, the ability to afford whatever she wanted, and never having to work a day in her life. You put that in contrast with single mother who work at walmart and don't have educations or a rich sugar daddy yet still seem to work and raise kids also. Then you have the single mothers who can't seem to accomplish that and live at home with their parents. On top of that you have couples who can't seem to hold down a job or take care of their kids and live at home while the grandparents work and raise the grandkids.

hillary is absolutely right, some people just cannot do it while others can. I look at all these college dolts who cannot seem to get a job, and i wonder just what a ****ing boob they are. I dropped out of college. i couldn't stand the slow pace and the dumb ****s in class wasting my money asking questions about how to add simple numbers. Not having a college education didn't stop me from becoming a network engineer, Having a huge paintball career including my own sports production company and my own field. It did not stop me from working at big name high paced companies. It did not stop me from traveling and living a life that some people are amazed at despite me being a little under 40 years old. I look at my life, and I consider myself having been lazy. I was never a huge career person or heavily dedicated as any of my high school teachers would have told you. Of course, i had a job since i was first able to legally work. I held a job through college and didn't sit on my ass drinking and having trouble keeping up with a bull**** classload. these kids i hear cannot get a job strike me as the real lazy ones. getting a college education is like getting a high school education. Show up, pass the tests and pay your tuition. It doesn't tell me how you work, and if yuou had a problem keeping up with that while not having a job you should be a greeter at walmart because flipping burgers at mcDonalds is too much for you.

There ar ejobs out there to be had, and people straight out of college are doing them. The reason we have all these kids with college educations who can't work is because they can't work. You have to have work experience, and that means you have to start somewhere. these kids want a job in the middle with nothing. If you have a dad like Romney's dad who is well connected and can set you up then you don't have to work at a bull**** entry level position. If you are like the other 99 percent of us get a bull**** job and some work experience and when you get out of college you will actually have a chance of getting hired. A college degree doesn't mean much when an employer needs a worker. The true high end positions where a degree is necessary to even be considered you should have a masters anyway. A bachelors is not going to help you much, and a associates is a load of bull****. Unfortunately all these kids who feel entitled to things were given a sales pitch that spending an extra four years and thousands of dollars at school will get you a job are going to lose out. you actually have to get a job and work.

For women who have the added social brainwashing that they have to be mommies there is even more of a problem. Sorry, but important high paced jobs have always required a sacrifice of your life and other things. Yes, that means you have to put your priorities into your job and career and your job doesn't get done when you are taking time off because your kid has the sniffles or you need to have a parent teacher conference. you can have all the family leave acts you want, but at the end of the day the people who can do the job are the ones who will get the more important positions while you get nowhere or laid off. This idea that being a mommy and having a family is the most important thing in this overpopulated world is a load of crap. That uis there for the Ann romneys and people who want to sacrifice money and high end positions for the rewards of raising a family. Some people may be dedicated and lucky enough to get both, but they are not there when their kids get home from school. They are not there to wipe their kids noses every time they are sick. If they are then they are sacrificing their future career opportunities.

I can tell you as a child of a mother who did work most of my life that you get to take care of yourself when you are young. You go to child care, or you spend time with your grandparents when they are not working. My father spent years working second and third shift because someone needed to get us off to school. I walked a mile to and from the bustop in high school every day, and that was in NY suburbs. Oddly it was actually uphill both ways because I got on and off at different ends of the road and the road was an incline. The reason I worked at 14 was because the bus dropped me off there, and I wasn't going to walk anymore when i was 16. I bought my first car and paid for it. Even though i had my own money my father did not let me get a pretty one. he made me get a used decent commuter car and forced me to do all the repairs on it myself. I look at people my age and they cannot even change the oil in their car, and every mechanic knows this and takes them to the cleaners when they bring their car in.

before i go further there is a reason these college kids are having trouble. They don't know a thing about the world. Did you see Occupy Walstreet. good idea, but those kids had a book nook, and an Ipad hot spot. they were sitting around in some sort of hipster woodstock. The OWS movement in charlotte went home in october because it was too cold. It was a beautiful fall in the carolinas with great outside weather. There is a reason they are whining, and that is because they are whiners who never had anything expected from them. America is not going downhill because it is a terrible place. it is going downhill because it is decadent, and these people need to learn some hardship and get a good ass kicking by life. If there was a party whow as for an ass kicking and not just giving all the wealth to the overprivileged rich kids then i would be for it. I don't see any reason the romney kids or any of the rich kids of this country should miss out on the ass kicking for the decadent. If the republicans were about everyone paying the dues for being way to rich i would be all for them, but they are not.

As for the democrats, social programs like food stamps and medicare can help a dedicated person move up from a postion of extreme poverty, and they do. I don't mind stricter rules or requirements of work or community service for these jobs, but they have to be done right. making people do regular jobs on welfare just takes away a paying job for someone else. make them pick up litter on highways like convicts. make them work at a recycling plant fishing through garbage like a convict. make them do jobs that really suck and no one else does, but don't give them real jobs that they could move into. That has the same effect as outsourcing. The hard workers and people who want to get ahead will take the opportunity and you will drive off the lazy. The reason why i don't like the republicans is that they love their corporate welfare and putting cheap labor like convicts and welfare recipients into jobs so their friends in big business don't have to pay real wages. that doesn't help anyone but the rich. Also, if you get rid of the social programs instead of fixing them you w2ill just have to spend a lot more money and time recreating them at a later date, and you will probably just make the same broken machine. if you fix it instead of trashing it you have a lot better system. It is the same wasteful sort of thing that has rich republicans buying their kids new cars and pissing away their old one that would be a much better choice for their children.

The Prof said:

kinda like cnn picking up the ambassador's diary off the ransacked floor of the burned out and abandoned consulate 4 days after the assassinations

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Can you imagine if it was a Fox News reporter who found the diary? It would have been declared a vast right wing conspiracy and we would have never learned about the failed security issues and subsequent cover-up.

I will say as an Obama supporter some of this stuff is demoralizing, some questionable, some out of context, and some shows that all presidents and their administrations have had bad judgement calls. Either way I still think Obama is the right guy for the job and you have to take the good with the bad and I believe the good has far outweighed the bad.

tererun said:

.... Then we have Ann romney. the woman had trouble raising 5 boys with millions of dollars, the ability to afford whatever she wanted, and never having to work a day in her life.......

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Your basis of saying this is?

contraception queen sandra fluke spoke to an assemblage of ten people in a gotv effort yesterday in crucial washoe county, reno

http://www.rgj.com/article/20121020/NEWS19/310200053/Fluke-takes-center-stage-Reno

presumably, she didn't bring a binder

the war on women is backfiring, romney is closing the gender gap egregiously in just about every swing state and national poll

seniors in florida are overwhelmingly NOT buying into mediscare

independents in ohio are down on virtually everything associated with this president, preferring romney by 28 on the economy, choosing romney by 15 on foreign policy, picking romney by 14 on medicare

everything this president touches instantly freezes

tax returns, bain, outsourcing, big bird...

he tries em out, floats em around, then drops em

he then moves on to something even more gotcha, personal and small

yesterday, in florida, romney called him the incredible shrinking president

even dems and msnbc hosts are calling for something bigger, a plan, a vision forward

Obama under pressure to spell out his agenda for a second term | TheHill

romney talks up to women, they want jobs, growth, safe schools, accountable teachers, responsible budgeting, the ability to get things done

one of the most under-discussed promises pointed out by the governor in that disastrous first debate in denver was his successful record of accomplishment working with a boston 87% dem

lots of women like and respect that kind of approach

president obama, for example, has repeatedly conceded his challenger's claim that during his governorship massachusetts managed the top rated schools in the nation

poll after swing state and national poll has shown a 20 point or so rise in romney's personal favorables and a simultaneous 10 point slide or so in obama's, since denver, among both men and women

the gipper reagan closed his textbook 1984 campaign with morning in america, bill the bubba bookended his winning 1996 with bridge to the 21st century

obama banters about birds and binders

what other cards has he to play?

it's not optimal

ask ms fluke

this morning, ap:

Remember the War on Women?

A few months ago, it seemed like the battle for women's votes was one Democrats had decisively won. While (male) Republican politicians talked about transvaginal ultrasounds, legitimate rape and the like, Democrats laughed all the way to the bank. President Obama's steady double-digit leads with women in poll after poll were a major reason he stayed ahead of Mitt Romney for months on end.

Then suddenly, a couple of weeks ago, Obama's edge with women began to melt away. More than any other group, women have accounted for Romney's surge in the polls, which has now given him a slim lead in the national popular vote and in some calculations of the electoral college. Women, it appeared, were not as firmly ensconced in Obama's camp as they had seemed. Indeed, they were abandoning the president en masse.

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Revenge of the Soccer Moms: Why Are Women Abandoning Obama? - Yahoo! News

"that whole gloria steinem thing is old"

The Prof said:

bill the bubba with bruce the boss in parma, ohio, just south of cleveland, lot of catholics, thursday:

"governor romney's argument is we're not fixed so fire him and put me in, it is true, we're not fixed, when president obama looked into the eyes of that man who said at the debate 'i had so much hope 4 years ago and i don't now,' i thought he was gonna cry, cuz he knows it's not fixed"

Bill Clinton: Romney's Argument Is True, Obama Hasn't Fixed Country - YouTube

thursday with the mrs: women of america need to stop whining



Hillary Clinton trashes whiners - POLITICO

affable, gaffe-able, laughable joe biden in vegas, also thursday:

Biden: how many of you know someone who served in Iraq or Iran

michelle at a nyc fundraiser on wednesday:

First lady: President 'didn't point fingers, didn't place blame' - The Hill

obama, who speaks these days exclusively to college kids, in ohio, wednesday:

Obama: "I'm Not Too Proud To Beg; I Want You To Vote" | RealClearPolitics

romney spokesperson barbara comstock went on andrea mitchell thursday, ms mitchell read from a binder some questions about lily ledbetter and equal pay

msnbc pays its women less, rejoined the romney-ite

i know, came back ms mitchell

Romney Adviser Says MSNBC Pays Women Less Than Men, Andrea Mitchell Agrees | RealClearPolitics

obama personally pays women staff 18% less than men

War on women: Obama White House paid women less than men in 2011 - Examiner

anita dunn, one of obama's debate coaches, once said obama's white house "fits all the classical legal requirements of a genuinely hostile workplace to women"

christina romer, his council of economic advisers chair, said "i felt like a piece of meat"

no less than valerie jarrett, the only insider who may have as much influence on the obamas as david axelrod, felt the need to take the complaints about sexism to the president, who reportedly felt the need to address them

Friction over women's role in Obama White House was intense - The Washington Post

what else are people saying?

on thursday, lawrence odonnell threw down against tagg

MSNBC's O'Donnell Challenges Romney Son To Fight: "Take Your Best Shot" | RealClearPolitics

on thursday, ann went on the view and received a rather different reception from that extended to the obamas three weeks ago

Ann Romney's Appearance on "The View" : The New Yorker

andrea mitchell, friday, on obama's less than optimal moment on jon stewart thursday: "it shows a lack of command of the moment"

chuck todd, friday: "obama's message feels like the past"

david gregory on nbc's today, yesterday, concerning libya: " still more questions about what was known and when, about whether this was a terrorist attack and whether the administration came clean about it... there's still some confusion about how the administration response on this was sluggish, sloppy and incoherent at some times"

jake tapper, yesterday: "they're the questions the president cannot escape, why do we still not know what went wrong in benghazi, why was the administration's response so confusing"

enjoy the debate, denizens, eager to engage on the eu, borrowing, stimulus, bailouts and inflation

the reset with russia, which evidently requires more flexibility

the rise of china, its currency manipulation, its relationships with korea and iran, threats vs japan, militarization and human rights

iran

israel, palestine, hamas, hezbollah, syria and leading from behind

the hijacking of arab spring by fundamentalists, even jihadists, across dangerous regions thruout the muslim world

the chavez revolution, honduras, the ominous presence of jihadists in latin america

mexico and the cartels

afghanistan, the failure of the surge, the green vs blue attacks which cruelly kick out the props underpinning our entire exit strategy, afghanization

sequester cuts

so what's the gray lady saying?



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/w...zi-attack-scoffs-at-us.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

so the fbi can't find him but the nyt can?

kinda like cnn picking up the ambassador's diary off the ransacked floor of the burned out and abandoned consulate 4 days after the assassinations

ie, not optimal

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Somewhere recently Bill Clinton watched this. He then chuckled and coughed, ....damn clever ad.

Fisher said:

Your basis of saying this is?

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My bet is wishful thinking. I don't believe in fairy dust or crystal balls.

JohnWOlin said:

I will say as an Obama supporter some of this stuff is demoralizing, some questionable, some out of context, and some shows that all presidents and their administrations have had bad judgement calls. Either way I still think Obama is the right guy for the job and you have to take the good with the bad and I believe the good has far outweighed the bad.

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Your photo looks young.

I actually leaned Democrat in my late teens, early twenties.

Back then Dems and Repubs talked to each other and worked things out.

Time went by and the Dems were hijacked by libloons.

Then Reagan showed up, and I grew up.

We all do.

Heck, the first time I saw Obama's keynote speech at the Dem convention in what, 2004, I was thoroughly impressed.

But if you look deep, with an open mind, into this man, you will see that he's nothing more than a 'shuck and jive,' narcissistic fake.

CedarBear said:

Your photo looks young.

I actually leaned Democrat in my late teens, early twenties.

Back then Dems and Repubs talked to each other and worked things out.

Time went by and the Dems were hijacked by libloons.

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Then Republicans were hijacked by religious crazies and wingnuts.

AdamT said:

Then Republicans were hijacked by religious crazies and wingnuts.

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That's why I'm Conservative.

The best of both sides.