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Obama in a Bubble: No Record of Intel Briefings for Obama Week Before Embassy Attacks

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If Obama is such a failure why isnt the right wingers and Fox talking about issues, instead of mindless silly outrages?
Dusty Rhodes said:
That darn Fox News is why Obama is a failure. Yup.
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Dusty Rhodes said:
That darn Fox News is why Obama is a failure. Yup.
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The MSM is why Obama won, so given the way everything has to do with the media it's not a surprise.



:lamo
 
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AdamT said:
Actually, YOU should do some better research before you respond. Fortunately an entire book has been written on the subject of presidential daily briefings. Here is the relevant paragraph about the briefings:



https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...esident/pdfs/U- Chapter 5-Reagan and Bush.pdf
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That doesn't sustain your claim that he never, not once, received intelligence briefing information. In fact, my sources, which come directly from administration documents (if you bothered to look at them) completely contradict your claims.
 
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mak2 said:
If Obama is such a failure why isnt the right wingers and Fox talking about issues, instead of mindless silly outrages?
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Why do you care about Fox News? Fox News isn't running for President. I'm ready to talk about the issues. Go for it.
 
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Peter King said:
And as was written in that thread, Obama is not the first President to not sit in on every intelligence briefing. And IMHO, it is not only the act of being updated about security issues but it is also what one does and the President has done plenty on that front.

Maybe Bush did not like just being informed in written part and instead wanted to be told, who knows but Obama was not the first president and not the last president to miss these kinds of briefings.

Also, in case you missed it, there is something like a presidential election campaign and that takes a lot of time of all involved who are campaigning.
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The world changed after 911.
We aren't dealing with nation states that cause trouble, but terror groups, and terror cells.

Your last sentence is a hilarious one!
4 dead Americans and his excuse is... according to you... Sorry... I was out campaigning?!
That's a Stephanie Boxcutter or Debbie Waterboy Schultz line.
 
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DO you really beleive the POTUS has to go to a room at a prescribed time to get a securty report?
Dusty Rhodes said:
Why do you care about Fox News? Fox News isn't running for President. I'm ready to talk about the issues. Go for it.
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mak2 said:
DO you really beleive the POTUS has to go to a room at a prescribed time to get a securty report?
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Nope. I believe Obama is incompetent.
 
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tessaesque said:
So then I revert back to what I said at the beginning:

1. He either didn't get intelligence because he neglected briefings, and it shows a blatant failure w/i the administration, or
2. He got the intelligence through other means (as you highlighted above), and it shows a blatant failure w/i the administration.

Foreign sources said they had intelligence of imminent attacks and the on-the-ground CIA team in Libya sent several briefings detailing the "high security risk" status and need for back up personnel. How did we not have that information in the president's hands?
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You mean you are reading your hangups into my answer.

The information could have been in the daily written report he gets so there is no neglect on Obama's part. That Bush had nothing useful with his time is his problem, there is no rule/law that says that the president has to attend those briefings or that they serve an actual purpose. If Obama had a question he could have just asked the responsible person instead of having a "show and tell" briefing of stuff he already had in written form.

I am not sure what is in these security briefings but I would guess that only things of national security are included (terror threats against the US, Al-Qaida leadership, global threats). The request to have a bit more security at an embassy may not even have gotten on that report. Who knows, maybe not even Hillary had been informed about it by the civil servants of the State Department.

What impressed me was that (even though most likely Obama had no information about the issues at the Bengazhi situation he took ownership of the tragic results by promising to investigate, remedy and take the blame for failings he most likely had nothing to do with because the buck stops with him.

Romney mostly even refuses to stand up for his own beliefs by taking different positions on issues to suit the election (showing sometimes extreme cases of Romnesia), acknowledge his own failings or mistakes. With Romney it is mostly, the buck stops with someone when it is a failure and when there are successes he personally takes all the credit for that (in a lot of cases).

Also, it looks like the Benghazi tragedy was more result of rioting due to that video and not a terrorist attack.
 
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Do you also beleive everyone who has opinions different than you are somehow mentally deficient? I think I disagree with Romney about most things, but I dont think he is stupid, lazy or incompetent or any other of the derogatory terms I read daily about Obama on RW sites. Genearlly on play grounds and in political fourms people who call others names dont really present substance. Trying to say he did not make the meetings because he is too incompetent is jsut more name called. Do you have anything of substance? Site examples of his incompetence and how other POTUS have been more competent then he has.
Dusty Rhodes said:
Nope. I believe Obama is incompetent.
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"Obama was saying... well look... we've got Al Quaida back on its heels... Well anyone in the intelligence community knows that's not true."
Bob Woodward

Obama lies about our national security... that is immoral and dangerous.

It was instantly recognizable to me as a terrorist attack... I almost expected the attack to come...
Lt. Col. Wood

He saw the trouble long before it happened.
To think there was nothing in the WH briefing about this... for an extended period would seem odd... considering it is a terror hotbed.

Lt. Col. Wood
 
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mak2 said:
Do you also beleive everyone who has opinions different than you are somehow mentally deficient? I think I disagree with Romney about most things, but I dont think he is stupid, lazy or incompetent or any other of the derogatory terms I read daily about Obama on RW sites. Genearlly on play grounds and in political fourms people who call others names dont really present substance. Trying to say he did not make the meetings because he is too incompetent is jsut more name called. Do you have anything of substance? Site examples of his incompetence and how other POTUS have been more competent then he has.
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I am not calling Obama names. I am stating that in my opinion he is incompetent and not up to the job of being President of the United States. Romney has much more real world experience and success and can handle complex issues and tasks. Nothing personal. We are electing a President, not a celebrity.
 
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zimmer said:
The world changed after 911.
We aren't dealing with nation states that cause trouble, but terror groups, and terror cells.

Your last sentence is a hilarious one!
4 dead Americans and his excuse is... according to you... Sorry... I was out campaigning?!
That's a Stephanie Boxcutter or Debbie Waterboy Schultz line.
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And the world changed LOL, yeah, during the Cold War and other wars things were also solved by the president being told in person what he could have just as easily read in the report he got that morning. (needing all my powers of restraint not to make a stupid/insulting Bush remark here :unsure13: not sure I am going to make it LOL)

No, it is reality. A president should not have to micro manage everything in his administration. Being away from Washington and the briefings does not mean he was not informed of the daily intelligence briefing contents.
 
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You know, actually the Romney that was the Govenror of Massachusetts, who has more expereince enacting health care reform legislation than Obama and I understand he closed corpoate loopholes, actually increasing the taxes corporations paid in his state. That Romney I could vote for. The one that is running now, not so much. You are right about electing the celebrity.
Dusty Rhodes said:
I am not calling Obama names. I am stating that in my opinion he is incompetent and not up to the job of being President of the United States. Romney has much more real world experience and success and can handle complex issues and tasks. Nothing personal. We are electing a President, not a celebrity.
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rocket88 said:
The MSM is why Obama won, so given the way everything has to do with the media it's not a surprise.



:lamo
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Wrong. Obama won because the country was tired of the failed policies of the neo-cons. But blame the MSM if you wish because its easier than actually thinking about how much damage Bush/Cheney/Rove did to the nation.
 
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tessaesque said:
That doesn't sustain your claim that he never, not once, received intelligence briefing information. In fact, my sources, which come directly from administration documents (if you bothered to look at them) completely contradict your claims.
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You are correct -- my bad. He attended one or possibly TWO briefings in eight years. :lamo
 
Jonsa said:
Wrong. Obama won because the country was tired of the failed policies of the neo-cons. But blame the MSM if you wish because its easier than actually thinking about how much damage Bush/Cheney/Rove did to the nation.
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Easier to blame... Hmm. That must be why O blames Bush for everything. It's easier than doing something.
 
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I never hear that anywhere except from a Conservative. Course it is so obvious I think most of us think it goes without saying. Gas prices were less than 3 bucks cause the economy was already tanking when Obama got into office. So whose fault does that make it?
Aberration said:
Easier to blame... Hmm. That must be why O blames Bush for everything. It's easier than doing something.
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Aberration said:
Easier to blame... Hmm. That must be why O blames Bush for everything. It's easier than doing something.
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He doesn't blame everything on bush, just the stuff that the bush admin had its hands on and screwed up. Of course as a republican, bush is best ignored since it was on his watch that everything fell apart. At least Obama coped with it and turned it around. Recall that the country was hemoraging 800,000 jobs a month and gdp was dropping like a stone. It took 18 months to turn that around and almost four years to recapture the jobs lost in those first 18 months.

You definition of doing something is very peculiar.
 
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zimmer said:
To think there was nothing in the WH briefing about this... for an extended period would seem odd... considering it is a terror hotbed.
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Your source though, is what's released to the press. According to the September 6th in your link, he didn't do anything until 10:10 pm. While it's possible that there was no security briefing, I find it hard to believe that he slept in until 7:00 pm.

I'm not saying Obama did a great job, but consider what's released to the press and what isn't. Did you think the press release would say "8:30 am: Discussed upcoming terror attack in Benghazi?" "10:45: Talked about new Air Force planes with these specs?"

Of course not, some of it is secret. So your source in the OP is silly. Just because it wasn't released to the press doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
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Jonsa said:
Wrong. Obama won because the country was tired of the failed policies of the neo-cons. But blame the MSM if you wish because its easier than actually thinking about how much damage Bush/Cheney/Rove did to the nation.
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Sarcasm, man. Jesus, do I have to spell it out?
 
Jonsa said:
He doesn't blame everything on bush, just the stuff that the bush admin had its hands on and screwed up. Of course as a republican, bush is best ignored since it was on his watch that everything fell apart. At least Obama coped with it and turned it around. Recall that the country was hemoraging 800,000 jobs a month and gdp was dropping like a stone. It took 18 months to turn that around and almost four years to recapture the jobs lost in those first 18 months.

You definition of doing something is very peculiar.
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Yeah peculiar, as in expecting results instead of excuses. I just find it ironic the damage you think Bush caused. Carter sure is happy so :shrug:
 
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Aberration said:
Yeah peculiar, as in expecting results instead of excuses. I just find it ironic the damage you think Bush caused. Carter sure is happy so :shrug:
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Every expects results. when the expection isn't met, that does not mean there are positive results, just not as many, not as big, not as fast as those initial expectations.

I see. so let me get this straight. Obama is responsible for not turning the deepest recession in modern history around in some magically timely fashion, but bush isn't responsible for the loss of 8,000,000 jobs nor gdp growth falling like a rock.

I'm not sure you know what irony is.
 
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Jonsa said:
I'm not sure you know what irony is.
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It is the stuff they used to make cannon ballies and boatie armor from.
 
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Jonsa said:
Every expects results. when the expection isn't met, that does not mean there are positive results, just not as many, not as big, not as fast as those initial expectations.

I see. so let me get this straight. Obama is responsible for not turning the deepest recession in modern history around in some magically timely fashion, but bush isn't responsible for the loss of 8,000,000 jobs nor gdp growth falling like a rock.

I'm not sure you know what irony is.
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I never said Bush was not responsible for anything.

I am not sure you know what a liar is.
 
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