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The Romney Plan in detail

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Ok. I am tired of hearing about Romney's 5 point plan with lack of specifics. So I went on a manhunt and found as many specifics as I could find. If you wish to argue any of the points I have made, please provide sources citing your argument. And the sources should include details correcting my points to his points. Keep in mind that I made this as neutral as possible.

Here is Romney's plan, according to his website: Romney Program for Economic Recovery, Growth, and Jobs

The Romney plan has three overarching objectives: to restore confidence in America’s economic future, to make America once again a place to invest and grow, and to provide opportunities for Americans to compete and succeed. These objectives are all about unlocking the potential for innovation, investment, and initiative in America’s dynamic economy.

The Romney plan will achieve these objectives with four main economic pillars:

I will break these down into specifics that I found with sources...

• Stop Runaway Federal Spending And Debt.
o Reduce federal spending as a share of GDP to 20 percent – its pre-crisis average – by 2016.
o In so doing, reduce policy uncertainty over the need for future tax increases.

• Reform The Nation’s Tax Code To Increase Growth And Job Creation.
o Reduce individual marginal income tax rates across-the-board by 20 percent, while keeping current low tax rates on dividends and capital gains. Reduce the corporate income tax rate – the highest in the world – to 25 percent.
o Broaden the tax base to ensure that tax reform is revenue-neutral.

The data I found regarding his tax plan shows his policy for the first 2 economic pillars.

The Romney plan would lower federal tax liability by about $900 billion in calendar year 2015 compared with current law, roughly a 24 percent cut in total projected revenue. Relative to a current policy baseline, the reduction in liability would be about $480 billion in calendar year 2015. He will not decrease spending to the military (see Willard Mitt Romney's Political Positions). He hasn't confirmed or denied allegations that he would increase spending to the military by $2 trillion dollars.

Romney would permanently extend all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts now scheduled to expire in 2013, repeal the AMT and certain tax provisions in the 2010 health reform legislation, and cut individual income tax rates by an additional 20 percent. He would also expand the tax base by cutting back tax preferences, but has supplied no information on which preferences would be reduced. Tax provisions in the 2009 stimulus act and subsequently extended through 2012 would expire. These include the American Opportunity tax credit for higher education, the expanded refundability of the child credit, and the expansion of the earned income tax credit (EITC). The plan would also eliminate tax on long-term capital gains, dividends, and interest income for married couples filing jointly with income under $200,000 ($100,000 for single filers and $150,000 for heads of household) and repeal the federal estate tax, while continuing the gift tax with a maximum tax rate of 35 percent.

At the corporate level, the Romney plan would make two major changes: 1) reduce the corporate income tax rate from 35 to 25 percent and 2) make the research and experimentation credit permanent, It would also extend for one year the full expensing of capital expenditures and allow a “tax holiday” for the repatriation of corporate profits held overseas. The plan does not specify, however, whether repatriated earnings would face any tax and, if so, at what rate. In the longer run, Gov. Romney would reduce the corporate rate further in conjunction with base broadening and simplification and would move the corporate tax to a territorial system.

Romney would also permanently repeal the 0.9 percent tax on wages and the 3.8 percent tax on investment income of high-income individual taxpayers that were imposed by the 2010 health reform legislation and are scheduled to take effect in 2013.

Compared with the current law baseline, the Romney plan (absent base broadening) would cut taxes for about three-fourths of taxpayers by an average of more than $7,000. In contrast, compared with current policy, about 11 percent of tax units would see their 2015 taxes go up an average of nearly $900 while 70 percent would get tax cuts averaging almost $4,300.

See The Romney Plan (Updated)


• Reform Entitlement Programs To Ensure Their Viability.
o Gradually reduce growth in Social Security and Medicare benefits for more affluent seniors. Give more choice in Medicare to improve value in health care spending.
o Block grant the Medicaid program to states, enabling experimentation to better fit local situations.

Using 2010 data as a model, Kaiser’s study found that among seniors who chose to remain in traditional Medicare, more than half would have paid higher premiums. Just under half would have paid the same. That would have yielded an average premium hike of $720 annually for seniors who chose to remain in traditional Medicare.

Among seniors with private Medicare Advantage plans, 88 percent would have paid higher premiums unless they switched to a cheaper plan with less generous benefits. On average, seniors already in private plans would have paid $1,044 more annually, according to the study.

Taken together, 59 percent of Medicare beneficiaries would have ended up paying higher premiums than they do in the current system if they remained in their current plan.

The caveats: the report makes clear that it’s not a perfect analysis of the Romney-Ryan plan. That’s in part because the Romney-Ryan would take effect in 2023, whereas Kaiser’s report studies the impact of such a plan taking effect in 2010. It’s also because Romney and Ryan haven’t provided enough details to conduct a truly thoroughgoing analysis.

See: Medicare Vouchers Would Raise Costs For Most Seniors, Study Finds


• Make Growth And Cost-Benefit Analysis Important Features Of Regulation.
o Remove regulatory impediments to energy production and innovation that raise costs to consumers and limit job creation.
o Repeal and replace the Dodd-Frank Act and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The Romney alternatives will emphasize better financial regulation and market-oriented, patient-centered health care reform.

The United States is already shrinking its imports of oil and gas. It’s unclear how much Romney’s plan would accelerate the process. Romney’s alternative appears to be largely based on a Citigroup report (pdf) that suggests the United States could boost its oil production further still, through a combination of pared-back regulations and advances in drilling technology. It’s worth noting, however, that Citigroup’s bullish forecast relies on some events that may not come to pass — such as California agreeing to open up its considerable oil resources in the Monterey shale for drilling.

Romney has previously said he would overturn the Corporate Average Fuel Economy rules. That’s a big asterisk in his plan.

More drilling could create jobs — though Romney’s claims may be oversold. According to estimates from IHS CERA, some 600,000 people were employed in U.S. shale production in 2010. And Citigroup’s Daniel Ahn has estimated that, in the long term, increased oil and gas production could boost U.S. GDP by 3 percent. That’s a significant economic bump.
But Romney’s claims that energy independence would create 3.6 million jobs requires some context. For one, other estimates have shown lower numbers. What’s more, as Michael Levi has noted, in a normally functioning economy, an oil boom isn’t likely to alter the unemployment rate, which depends on other structural factors. “Unless the U.S. economy remains deep in the doldrums for another decade,” Levi argues, “these [3.6 million jobs] will mostly come at the expense of jobs elsewhere.”

See: Five things to know about Mitt Romney’s energy plan


I can understand why Romney wants to repeal the Dodd-Frank Act. Especially when it comes to this: Section 922 of the Dodd-Frank Act requires the SEC to establish a new whistleblower program that will pay awards, subject to certain limitations and conditions, to whistleblowers that voluntarily provide the SEC with information about violations of securities laws that lead to a successful enforcement action resulting in monetary sanctions exceeding $1 million. By statute, whistleblowers are entitled to receive anywhere between 10% to 30% of total monetary sanctions recovered. Section 922 of the Dodd-Frank Act, also provides protection to whistleblowers by prohibiting retaliation by employers against individuals who provide information regarding potential securities violations to the SEC.

See: Dodd-Frank: Final Whistleblower Provisions Take Effect August 12th Is Your Company Ready?

Romney will repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. His healthcare plan follows in the next post...
 
(continued from above)

I have to break this one down like I did with his points above.

Here are Mitt Romney's heath care plans:

MITT'S PLAN

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Ok, this seems like a very reasonable plan so far...

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
A block grant would provide states with annual lump sums. States would be freer to run the program as they wanted. But states would also be responsible for covering costs beyond the federal allotment.

Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
This would have the effect of diminishing insurance regulation at the state level, as insurers would seek to sell coverage in loosely regulated states. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), this could result in an “erosion” in the availability of coverage for people with high health care needs.

Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
High-risk pools—which segregate people with expensive health conditions from the rest of the insurance market—are, in theory, a viable strategy. But to make them effective, the coverage needs to be adequate and the premiums affordable, which would require a significant infusion of subsidies. Romney has not stated if he would make such subsidies available.

Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
The federal government would provide innovation grants to states for reforms, such as alternative dispute resolution or health care courts.

Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition
Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
This is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it will effectively reduce the rates for medical malpractice insurance, causing health care costs to lower. On the other hand, it limits the amount of a lawsuit claim for an individual or group.

Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
There is potential for a purchasing pool to negotiate for a lower rate, however, this would not be very effective when the health insurance providers can determine their own rates without regulation.

Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
If you have a pre-existing condition, you have nothing to worry about as long as you stay with the same health insurance. If your job decides (as many of them do) to change health insurance to a different carrier, you will lose coverage.

Facilitate IT interoperability
This means the implementation of a streamlined electronic medical record system.

Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Romney wants to reform the tax code to promote the individual ownership of health insurance. To give individuals a choice between the current system or a tax deduction to buy insurance on their own.

Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
This allows for competition between insurance companies for your business. It also limits individuals from getting better health care premiums if they are unable to shop out of their own state.

Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
This works great for individuals who can afford to set aside money every month for an HSA.

Promote "co-insurance" products
While this seems to be a good idea, it isn't. It allows insurance companies to "bundle" expenses, taking more money out of your pocket.

Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
The amount paid for services is usually negotiated between insurers and other payers and providers. While I am unable to find specifics regarding the alternatives, I can only assume this would be beneficial.

Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans
This is a good idea, it allows people to research a provider. If the individual actually uses it is another matter.
 
So that is Mitt Romney's plan in a nutshell.
 
i'm for capping deductions and lowering corporate rates. our corporate tax rate isn't competitive, and the really big companies can skirt it entirely. that's a real lose / lose.

i don't agree with him on cutting individual rates, though, and i think all of them need to be raised back to 1990s levels. i also don't agree with most of the rest of his platform.
 
i'm for capping deductions and lowering corporate rates. our corporate tax rate isn't competitive, and the really big companies can skirt it entirely. that's a real lose / lose.

i don't agree with him on cutting individual rates, though, and i think all of them need to be raised back to 1990s levels. i also don't agree with most of the rest of his platform.

FYI, Obama has also proposed reducing corporate tax rates in a revenue neutral fashion.

But I like the DNA of this thread, what the double-helix and all. :)
 
I attempted to be as fair as possible and leave out the right wing and left wing propaganda. My goal was to explain the facts. I like the double helix comment.
 
OUTSTANDING EFFORT! I commend you for your diligence. I have initiated this a couple of times only to get disillusioned and quit. MANY of your points are the same I found…thanks
 
Generally speaking Romney's plan is so general that it's practically meaningless. I strongly disagree with block granting health care, whether it be regular reform or Medicare/Medicaid. 50 separate programs cannot be as efficient as one unified system. It wastes a huge amount of money in administrative costs that should go to health care.

My biggest disappointment in the second debate was that Obama didn't pick up on this: Romney spent several minutes not really explaining how, if he was in charge of the government, his his five point plan would create 12 million jobs. Then, moments later, he interrupted the president and the moderator to say, "Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs." Is anyone listening to this guy?
 
OUTSTANDING EFFORT! I commend you for your diligence. I have initiated this a couple of times only to get disillusioned and quit. MANY of your points are the same I found…thanks

I spent about 5 hours getting it all together. I found a few sources that made some interesting claims about his plan, but they provided no proof of their claims, so I didn't include their data. It was pretty amazing how many websites had taken Romney's plan from his website and that was all the info they had, while claiming they knew details. Although I am not voting for Romney, I really wanted to understand what I am in for if he does get elected.
 
This is the most thorough and non-partisan evaluation I have seen and answered some of my questions. Thank you for taking the time and effort to post this.

:applaud


So that is Mitt Romney's plan in a nutshell.
 
Interesting. Thank your for explaining.
 
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