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2012 Voter Fraud Evidence

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Granted, this comes from O'Keefe and I'll spot you that not one single staffer initiated the dual registration, but none of them did anything to stop it either:



 
Granted, this comes from O'Keefe and I'll spot you that not one single staffer initiated the dual registration, but none of them did anything to stop it either:

That would be stopped by government officials. Or should be. The first scene in the bottom video, the girl was obviously joking and all she did was give him a bunch of blank forms. If anything, the person FILMING would be the one guilty of fraud. I wonder what O'Keefe would have done if her little group was pro-Romney? Probably kept going down the street to find some evil Libbos.

The second scene of that video, the woman says she voted absentee. First of all, no ID requirement would stop it. I've believed for a long time that most fraud is by absentee, more so than impersonating a voter at the polls. This proves it.

Also, since elections are run by the states, no single state law would stop anyone from voting in two states. Or even a combination of two state laws since those stop at the border. That would require nationalizing the election and creating more government on the Federal level. Conservatives are usually against that. Are you?


(I want to note that I'll be camping with my son tonight, and leaving in 20 minutes. So I'm not running away, I just have more going on in my life)
 
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That would be incorrect.

Registered to vote in city & Fla. - New York Daily News

" Voting twice in an election is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both the city and Florida, a shocking finding that exposes both states to potential abuses that could alter the outcome of elections, a Daily News investigation shows.

Registering in two places is illegal in both states, but the massive snowbird scandal goes undetected because election officials don't check rolls across state lines."
 
That would be incorrect.

Registered to vote in city & Fla. - New York Daily News

" Voting twice in an election is punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both the city and Florida, a shocking finding that exposes both states to potential abuses that could alter the outcome of elections, a Daily News investigation shows.

Registering in two places is illegal in both states, but the massive snowbird scandal goes undetected because election officials don't check rolls across state lines."

This is really interesting because, probably for the most part, there are duplicates involving Florida and New York in order to accomplish two things: avoid New York state income tax and, two, to get property tax exemptions in both states. This would be very widespread -- in other words, not just involving 46,000 voters, but hundreds of thousands.

I have family who owns a beautiful home here in suburban Chicago as well as a lovely home in Florida. They are registered in both states as homeowners actually living in their homes, for the Homeowner Exemption on their real estate taxes, and probably register to vote in both places as well in order to complete the charade. They file their income taxes as if they live in Florida because Florida has no state income tax.

What a country!!
 
There are apparently also a lot of snowbirds in Texas due to those RV megaparks but I didn't bother finding a link on those.
 
O'Keefe has outright edited audio in these exact types of videos, so I'll remain skeptical of this particular video.

Most voter fraud actually does occur via absentee ballots. Interesting how the right-wingers aren't screeching about preventing this sort of fraud. I suppose its just a coincidence that absentee voting favors the GOP.
 
That would be stopped by government officials. Or should be. The first scene in the bottom video, the girl was obviously joking and all she did was give him a bunch of blank forms. If anything, the person FILMING would be the one guilty of fraud. I wonder what O'Keefe would have done if her little group was pro-Romney? Probably kept going down the street to find some evil Libbos.

First, it is the government's job. But, this is analogous to driving the get away car. They may not have actually committed the crime, but they did help them by giving them extra forms and not reporting their known activities to the local authorities.

The second scene of that video, the woman says she voted absentee. First of all, no ID requirement would stop it. I've believed for a long time that most fraud is by absentee, more so than impersonating a voter at the polls. This proves it.

A great reason for early voting, imo.

Also, since elections are run by the states, no single state law would stop anyone from voting in two states. Or even a combination of two state laws since those stop at the border. That would require nationalizing the election and creating more government on the Federal level. Conservatives are usually against that. Are you?

There are laws against voting in multiple states in the same election. That is already a federal law. The FEC is where you go to find those laws.



(I want to note that I'll be camping with my son tonight, and leaving in 20 minutes. So I'm not running away, I just have more going on in my life)

I try not to accuse anyone of running away as I'm often posting hit and runs between flights, at hotels or during my son's nap time...like right now. :)
 
I'll be camping with my son tonight, and leaving in 20 minutes.

Perhaps the most encouraging thing I have read all day.

KUDOs to you and your son. I cherish the time I spent camping and hunting with my son all those years ago.
 
First, it is the government's job. But, this is analogous to driving the get away car. They may not have actually committed the crime, but they did help them by giving them extra forms and not reporting their known activities to the local authorities.

No it's not analogous to driving the getaway car. More like giving directions to get to the bank.

What should she have told the cops? "Some guy we don't know asked us for extra voter registration forms?" I'm sure the NYPD would drop any murder investigations or anything else going on to get him. I could just see what the title of the video would have been if O'Keefe had been arrested. Something about his First Amendment rights being trampled all over by Obama. You also don't know that she didn't go to the cops. O'Keefe's camera crew wasn't with her.



A great reason for early voting, imo.

First of all, why? Secondly, the point is that requiring ID at the polling place doesn't stop absentee fraud.



There are laws against voting in multiple states in the same election. That is already a federal law. The FEC is where you go to find those laws.

Sure, but giving the FEC power to send out their own police force to every polling place in the USA to check fingerprints of every voter seems a bit extreme to me. There's a big expansion of Federal power.





I try not to accuse anyone of running away as I'm often posting hit and runs between flights, at hotels or during my son's nap time...like right now. :)

That's good. Some people would look at my failure to reply within an hour as "I won! I won! You have nothing to say."
 
O'Keefe has outright edited audio in these exact types of videos, so I'll remain skeptical of this particular video.

Most voter fraud actually does occur via absentee ballots. Interesting how the right-wingers aren't screeching about preventing this sort of fraud. I suppose its just a coincidence that absentee voting favors the GOP.

The woman in the top video has been fired by the DNC.
 
and here we have proof that a political candidate has committed electoral fraud in the past,
Fleming, who owns a home in Yardley,(PA) voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton in the 2008 presidential primary in Texas. His wife, Nancy Fleming, who is listed as a resident of Yardley, voted by mail in both places in the 2010 general election, records show.


Oh noes, just another Dem committing a felony!



Nope, Mr Fleming is a registered Republican and running for a seat on the Fort Bend County Commissioner's Court.

A Republican precinct chairman running for a seat on the Fort Bend County Commissioner's Court has cast ballots in both Texas and Pennsylvania in the last three federal elections, official records in both states show.

Bruce J. Fleming, a Sugar Land resident running for Precinct 1 commissioner, voted in person in Sugar Land in 2006, 2008 and 2010 and by mail in each of those years in Yardley, Pa., according to election records in both states.

Now here's the fun part - even though there is proof that this man has broken the law in two states, he can't be removed from the ballot - because it is too close to the election.

"While local and national Republican leaders were tilting at the windmills of imaginary voter fraud, real voter fraud was taking place under their noses," said Fort Bend County Democratic Chairman Steve Brown. "It demonstrates that the Republicans' crusade against voter fraud is either disingenuous or ill- conceived - maybe both - to be totally unaware of a serial fraudulent voter like Fleming while aggressively harassing little old ladies attempting to vote in Briargate (a Houston neighborhood in Fort Bend County)."
 
In-person voter fraud, which Republicans have targeted, is all but nonexistent. OTOH, there is evidence that mail-in voter fraud could be a serious isse, and it's one that Republicans have all but ignored. Why is that, do you suppose. Well, it's because the mail-in vote tends to lean Republican, while the in-person vote tends to lean Democratic. Wake up, people. Republicans don't give a **** about voter fraud. This is 100% about suppressing Democratic voter turnout.

This is what real election fraud looks like: ‘Boleteros’: Inside the shady world of ballot-brokers - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com

Absentee ballots: Easy to cast, open to fraud - Florida - MiamiHerald.com

The good news for Obama is that, while Romney is leading in terms of absentee ballot voting, his lead is much smaller than the typical absentee Republican lead (about 10% less than in '08).
 
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In-person voter fraud, which Republicans have targeted, is all but nonexistent. OTOH, there is evidence that mail-in voter fraud could be a serious isse, and it's one that Republicans have all but ignored. Why is that, do you suppose. Well, it's because the mail-in vote tends to lean Republican, while the in-person vote tends to lean Democratic. Wake up, people. Republicans don't give a **** about voter fraud. This is 100% about suppressing Democratic voter turnout.

This is what real election fraud looks like: ‘Boleteros’: Inside the shady world of ballot-brokers - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com

Absentee ballots: Easy to cast, open to fraud - Florida - MiamiHerald.com

The good news for Obama is that, while Romney is leading in terms of absentee ballot voting, his lead is much smaller than the typical absentee Republican lead (about 10% less than in '08).

There is no realistic way to catch in person voter fraud if YOU DO NOT REQUIRE ID unless somebody working at the poll recognizes the person or knows the person who would be impersonated so you have zero basis to claim that it is non-existent when democrats block anything that might reveal that it does exist.
 
and here we have proof that a political candidate has committed electoral fraud in the past,


Oh noes, just another Dem committing a felony!



Nope, Mr Fleming is a registered Republican and running for a seat on the Fort Bend County Commissioner's Court.



Now here's the fun part - even though there is proof that this man has broken the law in two states, he can't be removed from the ballot - because it is too close to the election.

He has even admitted it.

Bruce Fleming called the Star this morning (instead of last night as promised) and said he really didn’t have an excuse about voting in two states except he was living in both worlds, between Pennsylvania and Fort Bend.

Commissioner candidate Bruce Fleming accused of voter fraud | Fort Bend Southwest Star Newspaper

Seems as though Fleming was the Republican 'darling boy' in Fort Bend County. He was recruited by former Fort Bend Republican County Chair Rick Miller to be the precinct chair in Greatwood. He had been a precinct chair for less than one year and never elected, only appointed, when he was named as “Precinct Chair of the Year.”

Fort Bend County is also home to True The Vote and the King Street Patriots conservative voter ID activist Cathy Engelbrecht, who just happens to live in County Commissioner Precinct 1 that Fleming is the Republican candidate for.


Fort Bend County is also home to convicted money launderer Tom DeLay, who resigned in disgrace as House Majority Leader.
 
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There is no realistic way to catch in person voter fraud if YOU DO NOT REQUIRE ID unless somebody working at the poll recognizes the person or knows the person who would be impersonated so you have zero basis to claim that it is non-existent when democrats block anything that might reveal that it does exist.
I've seen this more and more lately. Where do you guys come up with the 'no ID required to vote' idea? YOU DO HAVE TO SHOW ID when you show up to vote.


In Texas

When you go to the polls to vote, present your certificate as proof of registration.

You may vote without your certificate by signing an affidavit at the polling place and showing some other form of identification.
VoteTexas.gov » Your Voter Registration Card



Your voter application asks for one of three identification numbers (Texas driver’s license number or personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety or the last four digits of your social security number). If you have not received any of these, you are still eligible to register to vote, but you will be required to provide proof of your identity at the polling place.

Acceptable identification includes:

A driver’s license or personal identification card issued to you by the Texas Department of Public Safety. You may also bring a similar document issued to you by an agency of another state, even if the license or card has expired;

A form of identification that contains your photograph and establishes your identity;

A birth certificate or other document confirming birth that is admissible in a court of law and establishes the person’s identity;

Your United States citizenship papers;

Your United States passport;

Official mail addressed to you by a governmental entity; or

A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and address.

VoteTexas.gov » Need ID?
 
There is no realistic way to catch in person voter fraud if YOU DO NOT REQUIRE ID unless somebody working at the poll recognizes the person or knows the person who would be impersonated so you have zero basis to claim that it is non-existent when democrats block anything that might reveal that it does exist.

Not true. Whenever there's a contested election the registrar of voters does a detailed review. That's when the fraud comes the parent.
 
Not true. Whenever there's a contested election the registrar of voters does a detailed review. That's when the fraud comes the parent.

If I know you are not voting and I do not have to show ID, then I can show up at the polls in PA and say "I am AdamT" and there is no review by the registrar that could ever catch that. I voted as you, they marked you as having voted, and that is the end of it.
 
I've seen this more and more lately. Where do you guys come up with the 'no ID required to vote' idea? YOU DO HAVE TO SHOW ID when you show up to vote.

Not in PA and when they passed a law requiring a photo ID last year that went into effect this year Rachel Maddow and all her DNC buddies started screaming about disenfranchisement by the GOP of democrats and the law has been stayed by the Court for this election.
 
If I know you are not voting and I do not have to show ID, then I can show up at the polls in PA and say "I am AdamT" and there is no review by the registrar that could ever catch that. I voted as you, they marked you as having voted, and that is the end of it.

But you don't know I'm not voting. I might change my mind. Maybe I voted absentee. Maybe I'm not even registered to vote. Even if you think none of that applies, are you going to take the chance and risk serious time in federal prison? For what? What are the chances that that extra vote will make any difference? One in a 100 million?
 
But you don't know I'm not voting. I might change my mind. Maybe I voted absentee. Maybe I'm not even registered to vote. Even if you think none of that applies, are you going to take the chance and risk serious time in federal prison? For what? What are the chances that that extra vote will make any difference? One in a 100 million?

Perhaps I live in an area like the inner city of Philly where I know people are not going to be voting and I could get ten people to help me and maybe I could pay crack addicts $10 a piece to register and let me vote for them. And maybe I have 10 more groups of 10 doing the same thing, and maybe there is a group in Pittsburgh doing the same thing, and one in Harrisonburg. How hard is it to get an ID truly? They have had a year. Jim Kramer was even whining about his dad not going to be able to vote a month ago and they were involving some politician. A PA birth certificate costs $10 and takes 2 weeks by mail and can be ordered by relatives. Jim Kramer could afford a stretch limo to drive his dad to the ID office and to vote if he so desired without involving politicians. I have to have an ID to buy certain ammo and I don't hear the left creating exceptions for poor people who live in the boonies who hunt for food to be able to do it without the same valid photo ID.
 
Not in PA and when they passed a law requiring a photo ID last year that went into effect this year Rachel Maddow and all her DNC buddies started screaming about disenfranchisement by the GOP of democrats and the law has been stayed by the Court for this election.

YOU STILL HAVE TO SHOW ID to vote!!!!


Voters without an acceptable photo ID will still be allowed to vote, provided the voter otherwise meets the identification requirements for first-time voters.

I got the above by going to this link and downloading - PA Voter ID Law - General FAQ
Preparing for Election Day



First-Time Voter

If you’re voting for the first time in an upcoming election, the information below can help you ensure you’re prepared once you arrive at the polls. All voters who appear at a polling place for the first time must show proof of identification.

Approved forms of photo identification include:

Pennsylvania driver’s license or PennDOT ID card
ID issued by any Commonwealth agency
ID issued by the U.S. Government
U.S. passport
U.S. Armed Forces ID
Student ID
Employee ID

If you do not have a photo ID, you can use a non-photo identification that includes your name and address. Approved forms of non-photo identification include:
Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office

Non-photo ID issued by the Commonwealth
Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. Government
Firearm permit
Current utility bill
Current bank statement
Current paycheck
Government check

Residents with Unique Voting Needs
 
Perhaps I live in an area like the inner city of Philly where I know people are not going to be voting and I could get ten people to help me and maybe I could pay crack addicts $10 a piece to register and let me vote for them. And maybe I have 10 more groups of 10 doing the same thing, and maybe there is a group in Pittsburgh doing the same thing, and one in Harrisonburg. How hard is it to get an ID truly? They have had a year. Jim Kramer was even whining about his dad not going to be able to vote a month ago and they were involving some politician. A PA birth certificate costs $10 and takes 2 weeks by mail and can be ordered by relatives. Jim Kramer could afford a stretch limo to drive his dad to the ID office and to vote if he so desired without involving politicians. I have to have an ID to buy certain ammo and I don't hear the left creating exceptions for poor people who live in the boonies who hunt for food to be able to do it without the same valid photo ID.

You're talking about a lot of work, a lot of research, and a big risk, and still for little or no gain.

But for the sake of argument, let's assume that everything you say is possible is possible and there's a photo ID requirement. Once you have that list of names of people you know aren't going to vote, and you have a group of people willing to risk jail to vote their ballots, and you have the folks' addresses and know where they're supposed to vote, and you have the money to pay the folks ... how much more trouble would it be to get them fake IDs? Not much. You can buy decent quality fake IDs online for not much money.

But again, the main thing is that in-person voter fraud is all but nonexistent, and other kinds of voter fraud are rare, but more prevalent, so why are Republicans solely focused on in-person voter fraud? They're doing it to suppress Democratic voter turnout, and that is disgusting.
 
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