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What are some of the reasons people will vote for Romney/Ryan?

Muddy Creek

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What's the appeal?

I'm just asking.
 
I'm voting for Romney because I think he will do a better job.

My wife is voting for Romney because she said that Obama's ACA has put her non-profit hospital on track to go bankrupt in 5 years.
 
I'm voting for Romney because I think he will do a better job.

My wife is voting for Romney because she said that Obama's ACA has put her non-profit hospital on track to go bankrupt in 5 years.

Thinking he will do a better job is a valid reason. You're wife's reasoning strikes me as inaccurate. Having people insured pays more bills, not less. Outside of insurance companies, Hospitals are the next biggest winners of the legislation.
 
I want a President who doesn't "lead from behind". I want a President who is not a self-described racist. I want a President who cares about his family, about America, and about Americans. I want a President who is proud of America and what it can be. I want a President who understands that sharing is giving of what you have and not holding on to what you have and giving what someone else has. I want a President who was not tutored as a child by a communist.

I want a President who believes in opportunity and not in everyone getting their share.

So, given the choices, I'll vote for Gov. Romney.
 
I want a President who doesn't "lead from behind". I want a President who is not a self-described racist.

You lost me right there, and it got worse afterward. No president describes him or herself as a racist.
 
Oh dear god. I've only been here for like.. 2-3 weeks and this is the 4-5th god dammed thread about:

Why are you voting for Obama?

Why are you voting for Romney?

God dammit... that on top to the other half a dozen threads about what each candidate ever said and the entire repeat of all their history and achievements and failures. Jesus.
 
Because I have read both the DNC and RNC platform and I believe others should open their minds and read them both (as tenuous as it is to do so) to more fully understand the concepts and principals that they are supporting. It is the RNC’s platform that my personal positions more closely parallel…BUT I’m still leaning Gary Johnson.
 
You lost me right there, and it got worse afterward. No president describes him or herself as a racist.

Didn't read the fictionalized auto-biographies or didn't believe them? Twenty years in a racist church has no meaning for you and describing the racist minister as a mentor went over your head? Saying you associated with some by choice and avoided others based on race isn't meaningful?
 
What's the appeal?

I'm just asking.


Demonstrated executive and management skills (i.e., I think he has the competence to get done what he wants to get done).

Good orientation on fiscal policy approach (i.e., I agree with what he wants to get done)

Pragmatic approach (i.e., will work on achievable goals rather than striving for the unachievable)

Good foreign polocy posture (i.e., does not seem inclined to lead from behind based on polling data, has a better posture towards foreign trade, more likely to be stornger in dealing with adversaries and generous when dealing with allies)

Not Obama.
 
Thinking he will do a better job is a valid reason. You're wife's reasoning strikes me as inaccurate. Having people insured pays more bills, not less. Outside of insurance companies, Hospitals are the next biggest winners of the legislation.

Totally. Why would she know when Obama talking points say something different.
 
Thinking he will do a better job is a valid reason. You're wife's reasoning strikes me as inaccurate. Having people insured pays more bills, not less. Outside of insurance companies, Hospitals are the next biggest winners of the legislation.

She's explained it to me that the additional regulations and inspections just to get "certified" to accept Medicaid and Medicare are extremely expensive. The compliance office visits have gone overboard. She also indicated that they were losing their rears on both of those programs reimbursement rates, and the ACA expands those roles.
 
To get rid of the worst President in US history...

Id vote for anybody with an R next to his name.. period..
 
She's explained it to me that the additional regulations and inspections just to get "certified" to accept Medicaid and Medicare are extremely expensive. The compliance office visits have gone overboard. She also indicated that they were losing their rears on both of those programs reimbursement rates, and the ACA expands those roles.

I have connections to a lot of hospitals, and none have made that complaint. Perhaps she could share with you some evidence we can examine? In fact, the hospitals here are energized and excited, revamping ways to work together with all kinds of providers to reduce costs.

But again, some viewable and verifiable information would be welcomed.
 
Didn't read the fictionalized auto-biographies or didn't believe them? Twenty years in a racist church has no meaning for you and describing the racist minister as a mentor went over your head? Saying you associated with some by choice and avoided others based on race isn't meaningful?

You are reaching and misreading. Some often allow their bias to colr the world so that they misread even simple comments, or listen to people who bold face lie.
 
Totally. Why would she know when Obama talking points say something different.

has nothing to do with anything any candidate or talking head said. It is logic. More people paying increases revenue. It is that simple. Math.
 
has nothing to do with anything any candidate or talking head said. It is logic. More people paying increases revenue. It is that simple. Math.

Is it? What if hospitals are being paid less because of the $716 billion in cuts that we keep pretending are not true?

revenues equals price times quantity. You are only focused on quantity.

Or are you saying that Obamacare will massively increase overall healthcare costs since it will not have any impact on prices but will increase quantity?
 
Is it? What if hospitals are being paid less because of the $716 billion in cuts that we keep pretending are not true?

revenues equals price times quantity. You are only focused on quantity.

Or are you saying that Obamacare will massively increase overall healthcare costs since it will not have any impact on prices but will increase quantity?

Are you sure don't you just accept lies?

The NRCC repeats the false Republican claim that the Affordable Care Act would “gut” $716 billion from Medicare. The law cuts that much in the growth of Medicare, extending its solvency for eight more years.

FactCheck.org : NRCC Claims Democrat Will End Medicare
 
I have connections to a lot of hospitals, and none have made that complaint. Perhaps she could share with you some evidence we can examine? In fact, the hospitals here are energized and excited, revamping ways to work together with all kinds of providers to reduce costs.

But again, some viewable and verifiable information would be welcomed.

I agree.....and I currently work in the wellness industry...we too are energized and looking forward to a direction that should focus more on wellness and preventative medicine.....people will continue to lose ground if we think the only way to make money is off sick people.
 
I have connections to a lot of hospitals, and none have made that complaint. Perhaps she could share with you some evidence we can examine? In fact, the hospitals here are energized and excited, revamping ways to work together with all kinds of providers to reduce costs.

But again, some viewable and verifiable information would be welcomed.

I too have connections in many hospitals, a couple hundred of them across the US and growing every day. I don't get any such feeling from them. They're scared and many of the doctors are talking about ending their relationship with medicare, not accepting any new medicare patients.

There are plenty of news articles in the last couple years that show that trend.
 
I can see it happening. The infusion of high cost patients into the system will cause private insurers to reduce their per procedure payment amounts even further which will then make it harder for hospitals to meet expenses. Those IV's and other supplies are not regulated and will go up as revenue for the hospitals go down. The quality of care will decline steadily first though and then non-profits will sell out to for-profits like Life Point who do not have a great history of hospital management. Hospitals only collect 4% of their bills now on average nationally. I seriously doubt the Obamacare will drive up the 4% enough to offset the unregulated supply/labor/other overhead costs.
 
Why?
Four years of absolute economic misery.
A Foreign Policy in shambles.

Last night this guy showed us who the Democrat Party is.
Ugly, condescending, arrogant, boorish, and deceitful.

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Why?
Four years of absolute economic misery.
A Foreign Policy in shambles.

Last night this guy showed us who the Democrat Party is.
Ugly, condescending, arrogant, boorish, and deceitful.

I think that's gilding the lily quite a bit. Yes, Biden did show us all, again for the millionth time, what a assshole he is. But do we then apply that to all dems - no.
 
Why?
Four years of absolute economic misery.

Hardly. If Obama had not done what he did, THEN you would have seen economic misery.

Surprise Jack Welch Missed Shows Better U.S. Growth: Economy


It isn’t only the federal government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics that is issuing surprisingly good news about the U.S. economy these days.

If former General Electric Co. Chief Executive Officer Jack Welch’s charges of a political fix to manipulate economic data ahead of the presidential election are true, there must be a vast econometric conspiracy embracing auto dealers, real estate agents, the Federal Reserve and corporate America’s 96-year-old Conference Board.

The economy is improving more than professional forecasters anticipated, particularly in data on employment and housing, according to the Bloomberg Economic Surprise Index, which compares 38 indicators with analysts’ predictions. The index, based on gauges compiled by private businesses and trade groups in addition to government, confirms U.S. growth is generating jobs in the face of a global slowdown and looming federal spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff.

“The economy is improving, and the labor market is getting better,” said Robert Brusca, president of Fact & Opinion Economics and a former New York Fed economist. “These numbers are what they are, they’re not being slanted. On a scale of one to 10, the economy is at a fairly firm six and may be heading higher.”

...

Growing Number

The Bloomberg Economic Surprise Index, which compares indicators with analysts’ predictions, shows a growing number of those measures are exceeding expectations. The index climbed to minus 0.06 today from this year’s low of minus 0.42 at the end of July.

The Citigroup Economic Surprise Index shows a more pronounced improvement. It jumped to 49.4 today from this year’s low of minus 65.3 on July 19. A positive reading suggests the economic releases have on balance been better than the Bloomberg consensus.

Among the indicators that have topped analysts’ forecasts: consumer confidence, car sales and purchases of existing homes.

Sales of previously owned houses, reported by the National Association of Realtors, rose 7.8 percent in August to a two- year high. Cars sold at a 14.9 million annual rate in September, the fastest pace since 2008, according to Ward’s Automotive Group.

‘Doing Better’

“The economy is doing better than people think,” said Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo- Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York. “Don’t count the consumer out yet.”

Among the headwinds to growth, Rupkey said, are the European debt crisis, a slowdown in China and the so-called fiscal cliff, more than $600 billion of tax increases and spending cuts that will take effect early next year unless Congress acts to forestall them....

Surprise Jack Welch Missed Shows Better U.S. Growth: Economy - Bloomberg
 
I think that's gilding the lily quite a bit. Yes, Biden did show us all, again for the millionth time, what a assshole he is. But do we then apply that to all dems - no.

Not all Democrats, but the Party, and especially the powers running the party; whether it's at the state level, unions, federally... the party is simply anti-American at its core.
Those that support them must like that sort of thing or are too thick to realize what they support.

Biden was a model Democrat last night... and Obama is similar... he just hides it better. Jeremiah Wright with some acting skills.
 
I too have connections in many hospitals, a couple hundred of them across the US and growing every day. I don't get any such feeling from them. They're scared and many of the doctors are talking about ending their relationship with medicare, not accepting any new medicare patients.

There are plenty of news articles in the last couple years that show that trend.

There are plenty of doctors with concerns (largely medicare concerns). Not hospitals. There is a difference.
 
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