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Who won the Veep Debate tonight? [W:47]

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:D, it's a CNBC poll. Of people who go to their website :lol:

You think Disneydude will get that point?...

us in relaity get that th debate was total nonsense and Ryan won on points and character.. Biden catered to the unhinged Obamabot voter.. I guess Biden was trying to awaken the slumbering Obambots
 
Who said anything about a huge bump in the polls? The VP debate rarely has any effect. I just find it incredibly hilarious that the right-wingers all thought that Ryan would destroy Biden and had looked forward to the debate for weeks....and then it turns out that Ryan is the one who got completely clocked. DOH!

The only one being "clocked" is you and those that dont get that Biden fumbled...

tell me how much did Obama give as a gift to the mod Raddatz's wedding ...
 
You think Disneydude will get that point?...

us in relaity get that th debate was total nonsense and Ryan won on points and character.. Biden catered to the unhinged Obamabot voter.. I guess Biden was trying to awaken the slumbering Obambots

That was his job after the President's performance and the resulting loss of morale. He had to buck them up, and I'd say he did. It is sad that he was willing to make a mockery of the Vice Presidency to do so, but :shrug: whatchagonnaexpect from ole Joe.
 
Biden easily won. He dominated the debate and even got the moderator on his side at certain points.

The Mod is known Dem opperative.. and so is the next Mod I eat too much Candy Crowley...
 
Q: What difference does it make if the $700 billion is deducted from the Obamacare ledger as opposed to the general ledger, as far as the availability of services for Medicare patients?

A: None.

Both Obama and Romney make the same cuts and they would have the same effect vis a vis Medicare services.

The answer is none if the accounting exercise was a slight of hand - basically a fraud to get around various requirements when passing spending bills.

However, if the plan is indeed to find "efficiencies" in the form of price reductions for various services (even if they are just reductions in baseline growth, though they almost certainly will be in the form of reductions for various services), there will be a direct effect on the continued availability of those services to medicare patients.

As for the Romeny "cuts", they are both more of a fiction and mroe legitimate. They are more of a fiction because they are simply projections (based on nothing) that increased competition will increase efficiency which will lower prices. All of that is true, but there are and can never be any real specifics in that regard. And in that regard they are more legitimate than Obama's because there WILL be cost reductions through increased competition (which causes market participants to produce the same output for less money), while the Obama plan depends on top line price reductions not associated with cost reductions, which necessarily leads to a decline in output (i.e., a reduction in service to medicare patients).

And that is why the same number arrived at through 2 different mechanisms can have different results for end-patients.
 
The only one being "clocked" is you and those that dont get that Biden fumbled...

tell me how much did Obama give as a gift to the mod Raddatz's wedding ...

LOL....now I KNOW that you are getting your talking points from your right-wing radio shepherds. Of course.....when you lose the debate....attack the moderator.....ROTFLMFAO. Too bad for you that most Americans don't listen to the garbage that you do.
 
LOL....now I KNOW that you are getting your talking points from your right-wing radio shepherds. Of course.....when you lose the debate....attack the moderator.....ROTFLMFAO. Too bad for you that most Americans don't listen to the garbage that you do.

well..actually if you want to see what is probably accurate is, look at the people in this thread... Biden 45% Ryan 35% 20% bascially said it was a tie.... and as we know this site is slanted 75% Dem..

but you can recite your Obama talking points..

you think your fooling people?.. your link was pathetic.. reaked of desperation.. you tried to sell a lie..
 
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Biden easily won. He dominated the debate and even got the moderator on his side at certain points.

You think that was tough to do? His boss went to her wedding. I think she was squarely on his side to begin with.
 
You think that was tough to do? His boss went to her wedding. I think she was squarely on his side to begin with.

So much for personal responsibility and not making excuses....
 
Who said anything about a huge bump in the polls? The VP debate rarely has any effect. I just find it incredibly hilarious that the right-wingers all thought that Ryan would destroy Biden and had looked forward to the debate for weeks....and then it turns out that Ryan is the one who got completely clocked. DOH!

OK fine, throw out the VP debate, stick to the presidential debates, thus far Romney has killed Obama, Obama was a no show, an empty chair. Now if Obama decides to again be a no show for the next debate, he can just stay home.
 
OK fine, throw out the VP debate, stick to the presidential debates, thus far Romney has killed Obama, Obama was a no show, an empty chair. Now if Obama decides to again be a no show for the next debate, he can just stay home.

I agree that Romney definitely put on a better show in the first debate. That said....he completely flip flopped on every issue. Obama should have called him out and didn't. I was very disappointed that Obama didn't take Romney to task for the BS he was spouting. I doubt that will happen again.
 
I agree that Romney definitely put on a better show in the first debate. That said....he completely flip flopped on every issue. Obama should have called him out and didn't. I was very disappointed that Obama didn't take Romney to task for the BS he was spouting. I doubt that will happen again.

You are at least honest with your disappointment of Obama, for me, it showed another Obama failure to meet the challange.
 
You are at least honest with your disappointment of Obama, for me, it showed another Obama failure to meet the challange.

Obama definitely failed to meet the challenge, but I don't take one debate as the measure of his Presidency. The reality is, Obama got poor advice and didn't engage Romney in his lies, that was a huge mistake. Obama should have looked Romney in the eyes and say "THAT is a flat out absolute lie" because most of what Romney was spouting off were complete lies and flip flops.
 
You mean like Benghazi?

President Obama wasn't guarding the gates. Ryan was debating Biden. Apples <-> Oranges.
 
President Obama wasn't guarding the gates. Ryan was debating Biden. Apples <-> Oranges.

You do know he's responsible for guarding the gates, don't you?


Btw, thanks to a failure of leadership, no-one was guarding the gates and as a result, our Ambassador died (and three others) and secrets were compromised despite every indication of danger and a failure to act on numerous requests for more security.
 
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I am working a lot of hours, and it's hard to get information from non biased sources and coworkers. I am actually wondering who won the debate... was there there ever an official poll done on this question?

thanks
 
Obama definitely failed to meet the challenge, but I don't take one debate as the measure of his Presidency. The reality is, Obama got poor advice and didn't engage Romney in his lies, that was a huge mistake. Obama should have looked Romney in the eyes and say "THAT is a flat out absolute lie" because most of what Romney was spouting off were complete lies and flip flops.

Sorry, but your all wrapped up in the liberal talking points "he lied" you know when you loose on merits you them demagog your apposition. You then blame Obama's failure on his advisers, the last time I heard Obama was a Harvard grad, yet this president has to rely on his advisers on a debate. Last you say Obama should have........ the reason he didn't is because of one important issue, Romney didn't lie. But only you spin doctors all got together and decided how to help out failed Obama. So you came up with "He Lied" it used to be because "your a racist". You liberals have an excuse for anything and everything. All Obama did for me was just add another one of his failures to a whole list of failures. Thank you very much
 
Sorry, but your all wrapped up in the liberal talking points "he lied" you know when you loose on merits you them demagog your apposition. You then blame Obama's failure on his advisers, the last time I heard Obama was a Harvard grad, yet this president has to rely on his advisers on a debate. Last you say Obama should have........ the reason he didn't is because of one important issue, Romney didn't lie. But only you spin doctors all got together and decided how to help out failed Obama. So you came up with "He Lied" it used to be because "your a racist". You liberals have an excuse for anything and everything. All Obama did for me was just add another one of his failures to a whole list of failures. Thank you very much

Romney ABSOLUTELY lied....he lied more than he told the truth. Romney repeated the same lie about Obama stealing money from Medicare to pay for Romneycare. Virtually every fact checker out there has called Romney out on that lie....and he CONTINUES to lie about it.
He lied about his tax cut for "job creators", something that he has been campaigning on for months....all of a sudden, he knows nothing about it.
He lied about his position on medicare, he backtracked from his position on abortion.
There was very little that Romney didn't lie about.

As for advice...EVERY President and Presidential candidate has advisors, I'm surprized that you don't know that. But maybe you learned something today, because all of them have advisors. Ultimately, it is the President or the candidate that decides whether to accept that advice or reject it. Unfortunately for Obama, he accepted their advice to not engage Romney and hopefully the American public would see through his lies, the reality is, those who watch debates are almost always more easily influenced by style and theatrics than content. Romney's numbers did come down once people saw the lies, but judging on style and performance, Romney won in a landslide.
 
Your idea of a lie and my idea of a lie are two different things. Ryan didn't lie, he's been saying the same thing about his platform the entire time. Where you think he is lying is you think he is purposely misleading because you don't trust the man's character. It doesn't mean that he is lying when there is a disconnect between what you have read he is going to do, and what he actually says he is going to do.

No it's got nothing to do with presentation and my assumption of his character. It's got everything to do with his numbers and actual numbers.
 
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