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A Former Socialist Slave Warns America against the Socialist Path we are on

Somerville said:
Slightly more than 10% of Swedish students are in so called "free schools" - schools similar to charter schools in America, some of which are run by private companies. One major aspect of the free schools that looks like it will be changing in the near future is ownership of the schools. A large majority of Swedes are preparing to support legislation that will ban 'for-profit' companies from owning schools in the country.

Home schooling is illegal in Sweden

If Swedish healthcare is "poor" American healthcare is abominable
http://fall09hpm101sweden.providenc...Health+Outcomes--The+United+States+and+Sweden
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Yeah it's abysmal compared to what it should be because government has stuck their fingers into the system. It is still far better than socialist systems... it's why Canadians an others hop over the border when they need serious care.
 
Rainman05 said:
It just isn't viable in the USA. You do not have the proper political infrastructure to adopt the mixed economic model of western europe.

The USA has a mixed economic model already it just ins't functioning well because of several political f*ck-ups like giving corporations all the rights and benefits of being private citizens as well as companies without many of the responsabilties and liabilities... as well as the banks and the federal reserve. Big screw-ups there. If that is regulated well (not a lot of regulation, just well), the USA can get back on track and start shrinking the poor strata of society and bring more and more people into the middle class, as well as put itself back on track.

You do not want or need or can use the mixed economic model of western europe or the nordic mixed economic model of the scandinavian countries because it will dry the US from achieving the kind of progress and innovation in its economy that it is known to have.
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Mostly on the money.
Western Europe is in debt up to its eyeballs because of socialism.
 
Loki97 said:
Name a socialist, not communist country, then. I'm sorry, but Australia, the U.K., and Venezuela are not nordic nations. They are socialist nations or at least ones with decidedly socialist policies like universal health care.
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The UK and Australia are again, very capitalist countries who have successfully implemented some socialist programs. Universal healthcare is NOT a socialist invention. Get this right. It is a liberal and/or a conservative idea. SOCIAL programs are not necessarily SOCIALIST programs.

Unviersal healthcare, disability pensions and such were first and foremost implemented in Germany by Otto Von Bismark who was a CONSERVATIVE (in European politics, not american). However, these programs, as well as other programs like reduced work hours or retirement and such were invented or developed further by LIBERALS (in European politics, not american liberals -> right wing people).

SOCIALIST inventions are UNIONS for instance. ok? got the picture?

So the UK and Aussie land are not socialist countries.

A socialist country is... Cuba.
 
Rainman05 said:
The UK and Australia are again, very capitalist countries who have successfully implemented some socialist programs. Universal healthcare is NOT a socialist invention. Get this right. It is a liberal and/or a conservative idea. SOCIAL programs are not necessarily SOCIALIST programs.

Unviersal healthcare, disability pensions and such were first and foremost implemented in Germany by Otto Von Bismark who was a CONSERVATIVE (in European politics, not american). However, these programs, as well as other programs like reduced work hours or retirement and such were invented or developed further by LIBERALS (in European politics, not american liberals -> right wing people).

SOCIALIST inventions are UNIONS for instance. ok? got the picture?

So the UK and Aussie land are not socialist countries.

A socialist country is... Cuba.
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No Cuba is a communist country...
 
zimmer said:
Mostly on the money.
Western Europe is in debt up to its eyeballs because of socialism.
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No. Because European countries are not SOCIALIST countries. they are capitalist countries who have proper working social programs. social program is not a program made by SOCIALISTS. Most are made by LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES. Imagine that.

European countries are in debt because of the EU and its failed policies. the EU is an autocratic mechanism which presents itself as being a democratic one... though I never ever met a top-down democracy. It is in itself, a contradiction.

Countless bailouts over other bailouts done at a low interest rate when several countries had to borrow money at higher interest rates then they were lending. To give you an example. Italy had to pay about 20% of the total bailout to Bankia... and the interest it was given at, the bailout, was 4%. For the purpose of having money to cover what Italy had to pay to the bailout fund... it had to burrow money at 7% interest. See the problem?

European countries are in debt because of the moronic political class who is in power both in the sovereign states and in the EU high offices.
 
Higgins86 said:
No Cuba is a communist country...
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And communism is what? Far left spectrum on both the social and the economic issues. Social liberties and economic liberties that is... far left -> autocratic regime + planned economy. Socialism is the path to communism.
 
jerry7 said:
However you want to categorize him, he's bad news. And he supports and endorsed Obama. And we all know why.
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Of course he does, stability in foreign affairs is what every world leader seeks. Romney looks at Putin as an enemy. Not surprisingly, Putin thinks that's not a constructive view for Russo-American relations.

Riddle me this, who said this about Putin: "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country."
 
Medusa said:
i wish they knew what they were talking about .socialism and america :shock:
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Doh... the guy only lived through the misery of it. Its rotting effects not only on the infrastructure, but of the soul and mentality of the people.
It's tragic. Go work in a post-Commi country. You'll see the sad result.
 
AdamT said:
Is that right? Can you post links to those endorsements?
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From a point of view of the real politic, if I were from the United States, I'd vote for Obama. And I think if Obama was from .. some neighborhood here in Caracas, he'd vote for Chavez. I'm sure of it. Obama is a good guy. Obama is a good guy worth the circumstances
Hugo Chavez: 'I'd vote for Obama' | 9news.com

Putin held out hope for an end to a dispute with Washington on missile defense if President Barack Obama were re-elected in November, telling Russia's RT television he was "an honest person who really wants to change much for the better".
Putin took aim at Obama's Republican rival Mitt Romney, calling his criticism of Russia "mistaken" campaign rhetoric and suggesting a Romney presidency would widen the rift over the anti-missile shield the United States is deploying in Europe
Russia's Putin defiant on Syria, says Romney mistaken | Reuters

President Obama has received yet another endorsement, this time from the daughter of Cuban military dictator Raúl Castro. Mariela Castro proclaimed her support for the sitting president 10 days ago, during a visit to the United States. "I believe that Obama needs another opportunity and he needs greater support to move forward with his projects and with his ideas, which I believe come from the bottom of his heart," she said in a CNN interview in New York
O'Grady: Castro Endorses Obama - WSJ.com

He also is full of opinions, and on Monday he gave Senator Barack Obama an endorsement of sorts, calling him “the most progressive candidate to the U.S. presidency” while also berating him for his plan to continue the trade embargo against Cuba. “Were I to defend him, I would do his adversaries an enormous favor,” Mr. Castro said. “I have therefore no reservations about criticizing him.”
Castro Weighs In on Obama - NYTimes.com
 
zimmer said:
Doh... the guy only lived through the misery of it. Its rotting effects not only on the infrastructure, but of the soul and mentality of the people.
It's tragic. Go work in a post-Commi country. You'll see the sad result.
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my god .thats america!!!!
 
zimmer said:
And funds the ad buy himself.


Amen brother... Amen.
Sad but true. Socialist rot has infected America like a deadly cancer. But there is a cure... Freedom... Capitalism.

To open minded Libs... Open your eyes... just say no to class warfare, class envy, gender and race segregation.
Just do it.
Help rid us of the poison Socialism produces and foments.
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That's because he's yet to live in a country in which corporations are given free reign to do as they please.
 
Rainman05 said:
And communism is what? Far left spectrum on both the social and the economic issues. Social liberties and economic liberties that is... far left -> autocratic regime + planned economy. Socialism is the path to communism.
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Communism a classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society.

Socalism as argued by Mark is the stage between Captalism and Communism however just because a country begins to accept more socalist ideals does not mean they are on the "path" to Communism, look at the UK in the 70's and what they would become by the end of the 80's.
 
Rainman05 said:
No. Because European countries are not SOCIALIST countries. they are capitalist countries who have proper working social programs. social program is not a program made by SOCIALISTS.
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ROTFLOL... fail.
Most are made by LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES. Imagine that.
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The FDP in Germany are hovering around 5%. They are centrist R's in America.
The CDU/CSU are slightly conservative Dems.
The SPD are wingnut Lefties.
Die Linke (Obama's Partei) are nutso Commies. Oskar LaFontaine was once a leader in the SPD with Schroeder.

European countries are in debt because of the EU and its failed policies. the EU is an autocratic mechanism which presents itself as being a democratic one... though I never ever met a top-down democracy. It is in itself, a contradiction.
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Those debt problems have been forged before the EU. They're a straight jacket for countries like Greece... but the errors were made long before unification and Schengen.

Pyramid schemes are usually illegal... but government is the exception. But... it too cannot escape the laws of physics.
(And the house... comes tumbl'in down...)
 
jerry7 said:
From a point of view of the real politic, if I were from the United States, I'd vote for Obama. And I think if Obama was from .. some neighborhood here in Caracas, he'd vote for Chavez. I'm sure of it. Obama is a good guy. Obama is a good guy worth the circumstances
Hugo Chavez: 'I'd vote for Obama' | 9news.com

Putin held out hope for an end to a dispute with Washington on missile defense if President Barack Obama were re-elected in November, telling Russia's RT television he was "an honest person who really wants to change much for the better".
Putin took aim at Obama's Republican rival Mitt Romney, calling his criticism of Russia "mistaken" campaign rhetoric and suggesting a Romney presidency would widen the rift over the anti-missile shield the United States is deploying in Europe
Russia's Putin defiant on Syria, says Romney mistaken | Reuters

President Obama has received yet another endorsement, this time from the daughter of Cuban military dictator Raúl Castro. Mariela Castro proclaimed her support for the sitting president 10 days ago, during a visit to the United States. "I believe that Obama needs another opportunity and he needs greater support to move forward with his projects and with his ideas, which I believe come from the bottom of his heart," she said in a CNN interview in New York
O'Grady: Castro Endorses Obama - WSJ.com

He also is full of opinions, and on Monday he gave Senator Barack Obama an endorsement of sorts, calling him “the most progressive candidate to the U.S. presidency” while also berating him for his plan to continue the trade embargo against Cuba. “Were I to defend him, I would do his adversaries an enormous favor,” Mr. Castro said. “I have therefore no reservations about criticizing him.”
Castro Weighs In on Obama - NYTimes.com
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So basically you've got Chavez saying he thinks Obama is a good guy, a daughter of Fidel -- not Fidel -- and a complete fail on Putin.

Fidel himself is anything but a fan of Obama's, so that would be a fail, too: Castro: Obama Is 'Stupid'
 
Another manifestation of hysterical conservative fears, "the socialists are out to get us", "the communists are out to get us", "the terrorists are out to get us". Can you guys not form an argument that doesn't involve wild eyed hysteria and hyperbolic worst-case-scenario world ending doomsday conclusions.
 
Verax said:
Another manifestation of hysterical conservative fears, "the socialists are out to get us", "the communists are out to get us", "the terrorists are out to get us". Can you guys not form an argument that doesn't involve wild eyed hysteria and hyperbolic worst-case-scenario world ending doomsday conclusions.
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60 TRILLION IN DEBT thanks to Socialist legislation.
There is something to fear. Bankruptcy. Losing the dollar as the international currency of choice and the massive costs that come with losing it.

It's isn't fiscal responsibility that has us in trouble... it is the lack of it... in a little more than a half century.
 
AdamT said:
So basically you've got Chavez saying he thinks Obama is a good guy, a daughter of Fidel -- not Fidel -- and a complete fail on Putin.

Fidel himself is anything but a fan of Obama's, so that would be a fail, too: Castro: Obama Is 'Stupid'
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No, Chavez said he would vote for Obama because Obama said that he believes that Venezuela is not a threat to the US. This despite evidence that Iranian Revolutionary Guards have training camps in Venezuela for Hezbollah and Hamas. And Chavez would vote for Obama because he knows he'll look the other way.

And of course Fidel thinks Obama's stupid. That's why he endorsed him. And that's not Fidel's daughter it's Raul's, the current dictator sitting in for Fidel. She's speaking for herself and daddy.

We all know the assurances that Obama made to President Medvedev about gutting our missile defenses and hey...would you pass it on to Vladimir. There's no wonder that Putin wants to see Obama reelected.
 
Why should I listen to a former Socialist....he is so lazy he quit his own party.......:lamo
 
zimmer said:
60 TRILLION IN DEBT thanks to Socialist legislation.
There is something to fear. Bankruptcy. Losing the dollar as the international currency of choice and the massive costs that come with losing it.

It's isn't fiscal responsibility that has us in trouble... it is the lack of it... in a little more than a half century.
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This of course is ALL the fault of liberals.
 
Complete and total nonsense, Obama is no more a socialist than Willard is, this lie that Obama is a socialist or communist, is just that, a lie.

If you believe it, as opposed to just repeating the lie for political reasons, then you are a pathetic person, seriously.
 
Verax said:
This of course is ALL the fault of liberals.
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Most of it yes. It's your driving philosophy. It is also why your politicians never tell us where they want to take the country.
 
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