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The debates weren't going to move people much. The spin after was pretty impressive, though. From your post it seems you bought the lie that Gov. Romney told more lies than Pres. Obama

If the rest of the debates were as decisive for Romney, it might make an important difference. I doubt the President will let that happen, though.

Really, the President did actually do well for people like me. I gained some respect for him in a couple areas. However, Romney's performance was pretty impressive, too. He set aside a lot of the narratives that have been being used about him.
 
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Keridan said:
The debates weren't going to move people much. The spin after was pretty impressive, though. From your post it seems you bought the lie that Gov. Romney told more lies than Pres. Obama

If the rest of the debates were as decisive for Romney, it might make an important difference. I doubt the President will let that happen, though.

Really, the President did actually do well for people like me. I gained some respect for him in a couple areas. However, Romney's performance was pretty impressive, too. He set aside a lot of the narratives that have been being used about him.
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Romney did lie. Show me the President's lies.
 
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If these latest Gallup results are accurate, it means that Romney can do very little over the next four weeks to actually win. It would difficult to gain a more convincing win over Obama than the one Romney pulled in the debate. And I doubt that will happen a second and third time because most of it was Obama's own darn fault.

So what can Romney do to actually win?
 
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haymarket said:
If these latest Gallup results are accurate, it means that Romney can do very little over the next four weeks to actually win. It would difficult to gain a more convincing win over Obama than the one Romney pulled in the debate. And I doubt that will happen a second and third time because most of it was Obama's own darn fault.

So what can Romney do to actually win?
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I really doubt he can. Polls are pretty unreliable, though. They give a rough idea, but taking just this one doesn't mean it's a pattern yet.

However, even if Romney does pull out the popular vote, his chances of getting the pseudo election victory from the EC are pretty damn slim.
 
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Keridan said:
The debates weren't going to move people much. The spin after was pretty impressive, though. From your post it seems you bought the lie that Gov. Romney told more lies than Pres. Obama

If the rest of the debates were as decisive for Romney, it might make an important difference. I doubt the President will let that happen, though.

Really, the President did actually do well for people like me. I gained some respect for him in a couple areas. However, Romney's performance was pretty impressive, too. He set aside a lot of the narratives that have been being used about him.
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No, Obama doesn't lie nearly as much as Romney. Obama's lies were actually half truths in which assumptions were made (the lie part). That is in stark contrast to Romney's lies which mostly were just flat out wrong. There is a difference unless you're trying to spin it as though "they're both liars just as bad".
 
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At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress

Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
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I'm not sure whether I would consider your news station as showing the "lies" nor "myths" the President told as actual lies and myths. Romney, however, did tell myths and lies

The 12 Lies That Made Mitt Romney's Debate Performance Pure Fiction

The 12 Lies That Made Mitt Romney’s Debate Performance Pure Fiction
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Keridan said:
I really doubt he can. Polls are pretty unreliable, though. They give a rough idea, but taking just this one doesn't mean it's a pattern yet.

However, even if Romney does pull out the popular vote, his chances of getting the pseudo election victory from the EC are pretty damn slim.
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The "pattern" seems to be that Romney has YET to lead a poll except for the republican Rasmussen
 
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Verax said:
No, Obama doesn't lie nearly as much as Romney. Obama's lies were actually half truths in which assumptions were made (the lie part). That is in stark contrast to Romney's lies which mostly were just flat out wrong. There is a difference unless you're trying to spin it as though "they're both liars just as bad".
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The spin is pretending there is such a huge level of difference. I get that it has to be spun that way after the first debate went the way it did. Need of the narrative doesn't add truth to it, though.

I don't much care for fact checkers as they seem to be somewhat random in what scale they give untruths or how much they investigate the claim or whether they include the whole original quote or their interpretation when making a ruling. However, Politifact tends to be considered one of the least unreliable. They show a few outright false statements by the president and several truth stretches.
 
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Those appear to be the national numbers which are largely irrelevant.

The article has Romney up slightly in FL and VA and Obama up slightly in Ohio and those 3 states appear to be the ones that will decide it. It doesn't matter if Obama is up by 2 or 20 in CA or NY.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress



I'm not sure whether I would consider your news station as showing the "lies" nor "myths" the President told as actual lies and myths. Romney, however, did tell myths and lies

The 12 Lies That Made Mitt Romney's Debate Performance Pure Fiction
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Those sites are incredibly partisan and what I had the patience to read simply found a way to twist anything they felt they could into a lie, regardless of details or facts. Sorry, I'm not pretending he was captain honesty, but that is just too much of a load.
 
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I don't get it.

According to Gallup's website, we've got two sets of stats:

Pre-Debate: Obama up 50% to 45%.
Post-Debate: Obama and Romney now tied at 47% each.

Explain to me again, how this equates to a +5% jump for Obama, because it looks like Obama actually lost percentage points.
 
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Verax said:
Obama Vs. Romney Gallup Poll: Oct. 8 Results - Business Insider

Well that was short lived, I guess now that Americans have had time to work through all of Romney's lies they're once again turning their back, good for them.
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You are right, that was short lived. Here is today's Gallup release, actually from Gallup. Oddly enough despite your claims and that of your thread, Gallup is showing a 5 point bounce for Romney, not Obama.
Romney Narrows Vote Gap After Historic Debate Win

In fact all of today's releases are favoring Romney, not Obama.
Pew: Romney 49, Obama 45 - POLITICO.com

Battleground Poll: Romney Up 16 with Independents, Up 13 In Enthusiasm

Battleground Tracking Poll: Dems less enthusiastic - James Hohmann - POLITICO.com

And actually just as I was posting this I saw that Gallup has also revealed that Romney's 52 point debate lead is the largest in Gallup Poll history.
Mitt Romney's 52-point debate victory over Obama the biggest in Gallup poll history | Mail Online

Outside of wishful thinking one wonders where you imagined Obama was bouncing back from? One thing is for certain, at DP since the debate, a lot of Obama supporters have been going whole hog trying to post "fact checking" that lacks any fact checking and articles claiming the opposite of what they actually say. It appears to be epidemic.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
The "pattern" seems to be that Romney has YET to lead a poll except for the republican Rasmussen
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What "pattern"?

Mitt Romney no longer trails Barack Obama in the Pew Research Center’s presidential election polling. By about three-to-one, voters say Romney did a better job than Obama in the Oct. 3 debate, and the Republican is now better regarded on most personal dimensions and on most issues than he was in September. Romney is seen as the candidate who has new ideas and is viewed as better able than Obama to improve the jobs situation and reduce the budget deficit.
Fully 66% of registered voters say Romney did the better job in last Wednesday’s debate, compared with just 20% who say Obama did better. A majority (64%) of voters who watched the debate describe it as mostly informative; just 26% say it was mostly confusing.

In turn, Romney has drawn even with Obama in the presidential race among registered voters (46% to 46%) after trailing by nine points (42% to 51%) in September. Among likely voters, Romney holds a slight 49% to 45% edge over Obama. He trailed by eight points among likely voters last month
Romney
 
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Muddy Creek said:
The "pattern" seems to be that Romney has YET to lead a poll except for the republican Rasmussen
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Oh my....

In 2008, President Barack Obama won the independent vote over John McCain by a margin of eight points, 52-44. This morning, a new Battleground Poll has Mitt Romney massacring Obama among indies by a whopping 16 points, 51-35.

That's a 24-point swing among independents since 2008, a group that makes up anywhere from a quarter to a third of voters, and yet Battleground still has Obama in the lead 49-48…?

But if I'm skeptical of those bottom-line numbers, our journalist overlords who have chosen to palace guard instead of question will declare me a "truther."

The Battleground Poll also shows a 13 point enthusiasm gap in Romney's favor. Only 73% of Obama's supporters are "extremely likely" to vote, compared to 86% of Romney's supporters.

But again, don't question Battleground's 49-48% outcome. In fact, don't question anything anymore -- or the media will question you and mock you as a "truther. " This includes questioning our government about the release of counter-intuitive unemployment statistics very helpful to the president just 30 days out from the election.

Though the media hasn't yet decided it's time for a Romney Comeback Narrative, and probably never will, even if he wins -- there's no question Romney is rebounding in every national and swing state poll.

Nationally, Gallup has it all tied up among registered voters -- with the president dangerously below 50 at 47%. Rasmussen uses the more reliable likely voter screen and has Romney up 49-47%.

In the Real Clear Politics poll of polls, nationally Romney is only down .09%. A week ago he was down over 4 points.

In Ohio, according to RCP's poll of polls, Obama's Ohio lead has shrunk to three -- Virginia has Obama only up by 0.3. Florida and Colorado are tied.

The good news for Romney is that we are now seeing polls from each of these states with the GOP nominee in the lead. The bad news for Obama is that in most of these swing state polls, he is not hitting 50.

Well, actually the worst news for Obama is 85% of the calls made for this new Battleground Poll were made prior to Obama humiliating himself in last week's debate.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/08/Battleground-Romney-Crushing-Obama-Indies
 
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Verax said:
Obama Vs. Romney Gallup Poll: Oct. 8 Results - Business Insider

Well that was short lived, I guess now that Americans have had time to work through all of Romney's lies they're once again turning their back, good for them.
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You really have a lot invested in re-electing the empty suit incompetent which makes me wonder why? You American? You don't believe in Free enterprise and capitalism? You support the vision Obama has for the country which is one of high unemployment, a massive govt. central nanny state, low economic growth, and high debt? Do you pay taxes or are you part of the 47% that aren't funding the debt service on the debt?

By the way, Gallup site only reports that 5% gap in their seven day rolling AVERAGE, not their latest poll. Apparently you have a strong investment in another four years of disastrous economic policies. Notice Romney's debate victory is the highest margin in Gallup history as well as you can find that at the Gallup website

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama
 
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PEW - Romney 49% - Obama 45%

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Keridan said:
Those sites are incredibly partisan and what I had the patience to read simply found a way to twist anything they felt they could into a lie, regardless of details or facts. Sorry, I'm not pretending he was captain honesty, but that is just too much of a load.
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Show me the information is slanted in either source.

Otherwise, your "liberal site" mantra is just a way of saying "Crap, that's the truth and I know it."
 
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jerry7 said:
Oh my....

In 2008, President Barack Obama won the independent vote over John McCain by a margin of eight points, 52-44. This morning, a new Battleground Poll has Mitt Romney massacring Obama among indies by a whopping 16 points, 51-35.

That's a 24-point swing among independents since 2008, a group that makes up anywhere from a quarter to a third of voters, and yet Battleground still has Obama in the lead 49-48…?

But if I'm skeptical of those bottom-line numbers, our journalist overlords who have chosen to palace guard instead of question will declare me a "truther."

The Battleground Poll also shows a 13 point enthusiasm gap in Romney's favor. Only 73% of Obama's supporters are "extremely likely" to vote, compared to 86% of Romney's supporters.

But again, don't question Battleground's 49-48% outcome. In fact, don't question anything anymore -- or the media will question you and mock you as a "truther. " This includes questioning our government about the release of counter-intuitive unemployment statistics very helpful to the president just 30 days out from the election.

Though the media hasn't yet decided it's time for a Romney Comeback Narrative, and probably never will, even if he wins -- there's no question Romney is rebounding in every national and swing state poll.

Nationally, Gallup has it all tied up among registered voters -- with the president dangerously below 50 at 47%. Rasmussen uses the more reliable likely voter screen and has Romney up 49-47%.

In the Real Clear Politics poll of polls, nationally Romney is only down .09%. A week ago he was down over 4 points.

In Ohio, according to RCP's poll of polls, Obama's Ohio lead has shrunk to three -- Virginia has Obama only up by 0.3. Florida and Colorado are tied.

The good news for Romney is that we are now seeing polls from each of these states with the GOP nominee in the lead. The bad news for Obama is that in most of these swing state polls, he is not hitting 50.

Well, actually the worst news for Obama is 85% of the calls made for this new Battleground Poll were made prior to Obama humiliating himself in last week's debate.
Battleground Poll: Romney Up 16 with Independents, Up 13 In Enthusiasm
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Breitbart?

The Three Lies of Andrew Breitbart

Breitbart is a proven pathological liar.
 
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Keridan said:
The debates weren't going to move people much. The spin after was pretty impressive, though. From your post it seems you bought the lie that Gov. Romney told more lies than Pres. Obama

If the rest of the debates were as decisive for Romney, it might make an important difference. I doubt the President will let that happen, though.

Really, the President did actually do well for people like me. I gained some respect for him in a couple areas. However, Romney's performance was pretty impressive, too. He set aside a lot of the narratives that have been being used about him.
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Never forget that Romney (and Obama) were both coached by professionals in the field of persuasion.

The words each used were selected by professionals who know more about how our brains actually WORK than we do. How our cognitive processes sort truth from lies. How to make us feel good about what they want us to like and bad about what they want us to reject.

It's science, artfully applied.

ANY reasonably intelligent person can wield these tools with effect.

Just try to remember this when anyone "sends a tingle up your leg".

Every tingle is money in the bank for the designer of the message that elicited it.
 
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