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Why Are Obama Wars Being Ignored During the Election ?

Do you think Romney will give us war with Iran?
I think the question might more accurately be "do you think a war with Iran will happen during the next 4 years?"

I'm not sure Romney, Obama, or any of the other candidates can or should prevent or assist such in happening.
 

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the War Criminal!

We Are
The Terrorists
Truth Hurts, Lies Kill.
Reality behind the Phony Wars

"This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists. In these times, remaining silent on our responsibility to the world and its future is criminal. And in light of our complicity in the supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan, and ongoing violations of the U.N. Charter in International Law, how dare any American criticize the actions of legitimate resistance to illegal occupation."

*We Are The Terrorists: Video -*** Dr. Dahlia Wasfi**** : Information Clearing House
 
I'm sensing a trend here.

Me too.

And the trend is ...

that the AMERICAN MEDIA IS RUN AND OWNED BY THE STATE.

The fact of the matter is: These hired guns (not true liberals?) in the talk radio and TV news don't care about society, won't retract false reporting, and only care about exploiting your fears and hatreds for profit.

Liberals in talk radio are going way out their way to avoid Obamas Libya invasion, and the Middle East uprisings, 9/11 Truth, War on Terror issues in general, and how the Democratic Party rubber stamps George W. Bush's defense policy all the time.

TALK ABOUT IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!

There is SERIOUS DAMAGE CONTROL going on at liberal talk radio.


The Left Gatekeepers (May 4, 2008)
 
Do you think Romney will give us war with Iran?

I think the second any nation (including Iran) steps on our toes, it will result in war.
 
I think the second any nation (including Iran) steps on our toes, it will result in war.
Well...depends how hard they step, really.
 
Well...depends how hard they step, really.

I mean I am not saying that he is going to involve us in wars for no purpose at all. But I think when push comes to shove war>diplomacy under Romney. I may be totally wrong and if he proves me otherwise I will acknowledge that, but I just don't see it.
 
I mean I am not saying that he is going to involve us in wars for no purpose at all. But I think when push comes to shove war>diplomacy under Romney. I may be totally wrong and if he proves me otherwise I will acknowledge that, but I just don't see it.
War only happens when diplomacy fails.

Which side fails at it first is usually the question everyone asks for years afterwards...


Sometimes, a war is sadly necessary.
 
War only happens when diplomacy fails.

Which side fails at it first is usually the question everyone asks for years afterwards...


Sometimes, a war is sadly necessary.
I hardly deem some of the wars we have been involved in necessary. But then again, everybody has their own opinion.
 
I hardly deem some of the wars we have been involved in necessary. But then again, everybody has their own opinion.
Oh, I completely agree.

I'm not really sure which ones were unnecessary, but there were definitely some.
And probably a time or two where a war might have been needed but was not held…Or something like that…


Thing is, so far as I can tell, if you look at any given war…
Invariably you find that it happened because one or more of the entities involved was not trying to solve the issue diplomatically.

Sometimes it’s a clash between incompatible philosophies – each entity believes they have the right, and will not concede beyond a certain point. Effect is the same though - one or more entities is unwilling to stay at the diplomatic table.
 
War only happens when diplomacy fails.

Which side fails at it first is usually the question everyone asks for years afterwards...


Sometimes, a war is sadly necessary.

War only happens when political dogma fails.
 
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The U.S. has given Pakistan more than $20 billion in aid since 9/11 ...
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"The government must call elections next March, though many are predicting they’ll be called early, perhaps this fall. The Pakistan Peoples Party is led by Asif Ali Zardari, Bhutto’s husband, who also serves as Pakistan’s president. The presidency theoretically is a ceremonial post, but Zardari’s party position gives him effective control over the government."

“We don’t want this new prime minister and we don’t want Zardari,” Safdar said.

Read more here: Pakistanis say political sideshow distracts from their real problems | McClatchy





Pakistanis say political sideshow distracts from their real problems | McClatchy
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Here's what the U.S. Defense Dept.'s press release has to say:
"The United States is committed to a long-term partnership with Pakistan. Pakistan currently is one of the largest recipients of U.S. security assistance. The United States has pledged $1.5 billion of Foreign Military Financing to Pakistan from 2005-2009. In June 2004, President Bush designated Pakistan as a Major Non-NATO Ally.

"The United States supports Pakistan’s defense needs through sales of advanced systems (recent sales include TOW 2A missiles, P-3 maritime patrol aircraft, AH-1 Cobra Helicopters, and Harpoon missiles). Last year, the President also announced the U.S. intention to move forward with the possible sale of F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan.

Pakistan

War only happens when political dogma fails.

I'd say rather, when political dogma collides, perhaps...

Take a place like Pakstian, for instance. The drone bombings and the installation of American ally leaders like Musharraf and Zadari is only making things worse by further corrupting their government. The people in Pakistan see the drones and U.S. influence of billions of dollars corrupting their government but because U.S. drone bases (now numbered at 66) and drone manufacture are big business, politicans think they can just drone attack the world into submission rather than use diplomacy.

How many terrorists are there to justify massive civillian casualties because some "leader" like Obama just wants to delegate responsibilty to the CIA drone program or some remote controlled assasins who can't see their target because their two miles up in the sky?

How long will it take before the Western backed puppet in Afghanistan or Pakistan fails because the only thing the people know there is tyranny, and a President installed by the U.S. that only follows the dictates
of its Western imperial ruler?

This is the futility of nation building and policing the world ...
 
Yeah, ha ha.

I don't see the difference between Obama and Bush. Bush couldn't get the lights on in Baghdad after 5 years of war, and Obama can't get the lights on after blowing up Pakistan, now is going to blow up Syria, just like he turned the whole of Libya into rubble.

Report highlights poverty in rural Pakistan

I was listening to Thom Hartman last week. He is not a Progressive at all. He's a paid shill and liar for the Democratic Party. He said Obama does not torture in response to a caller. Ever hear of the torture going on at Bagram, Afghanistan?

That has been going on since Obama was sworn in.

Progressive talk hosts are such liars.

Obama is Bush in any truthful view of the world.

"It is curious that the people who opposed U.S. imperialism in Iraq and criticized the Bush administration for manipulating world public opinion to legitimize the U.S. invasion are now supporting U.S. imperialism in Syria and defend the Obama administration's policy of regime change in that country."

The Excavator: Whose Spring? The CIA's Hand In The Rise of Islamists And International Terrorist Groups

I think the second any nation (including Iran) steps on our toes, it will result in war.

Steps on our toes?

Haven't you noticed all the wars are U.S. instigated, whether Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, or Iran?

This problem about Iran is being instigated by the U.S. who have destabilizing it for years. The policy for regime change is obvious because everyone knows the Irasn nuclear threat is just a cover for overthrow, like WMD in Iraq.
 
Steps on our toes?

Haven't you noticed all the wars are U.S. instigated, whether Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, or Iran?

This problem about Iran is being instigated by the U.S. who have destabilizing it for years. The policy for regime change is obvious because everyone knows the Irasn nuclear threat is just a cover for overthrow, like WMD in Iraq.

I never claimed that it wasn't us instigating wars. I simply said that under Romney war would trump diplomacy. I agree the United States has been the aggressor dating back way to long, I was just mentioning that I don't see anything different in a Romney presidency, I see worse.
 
I never claimed that it wasn't us instigating wars. I simply said that under Romney war would trump diplomacy. I agree the United States has been the aggressor dating back way to long, I was just mentioning that I don't see anything different in a Romney presidency, I see worse.

I think that both Presidents are equally bad on foreign policy, though Romney in the debate stated outright that you cant just keep bombing everybody as a foreign policy.

Its just that the Pentagon/CIA/CFR bureaucracy is so out of control, one hand doesn't seem to know or care what the other hand is doing.

And there seems to be no oversight, whatsoever. The over sight committees being little more than window dressing.
 
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This cartoon reminds me of the American TV media.

The military man behind the curtain watching the sideshow, a distraction from real news and serious issues, is very similar to the way American news channels use Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Bruce Springsteen, or Angelina Jolie and Madonna to make absurd socio-political theatre while the evil Pentagon corporate war profiteers lurk in the backround.
 
Take a place like Pakstian, for instance. The drone bombings and the installation of American ally leaders like Musharraf and Zadari is only making things worse by further corrupting their government. The people in Pakistan see the drones and U.S. influence of billions of dollars corrupting their government but because U.S. drone bases (now numbered at 66) and drone manufacture are big business, politicans think they can just drone attack the world into submission rather than use diplomacy.

How many terrorists are there to justify massive civillian casualties because some "leader" like Obama just wants to delegate responsibilty to the CIA drone program or some remote controlled assasins who can't see their target because their two miles up in the sky?

How long will it take before the Western backed puppet in Afghanistan or Pakistan fails because the only thing the people know there is tyranny, and a President installed by the U.S. that only follows the dictates
of its Western imperial ruler?

This is the futility of nation building and policing the world ...

The military/government plans for everything. Of course they planned wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and probably even Canada and Mexico.

Hmmm. The Marks avatar and 66 drones bases.

A startling coincidence, eh ?

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Hmmm. The Marks avatar and 66 drones bases.

A startling coincidence, eh ?

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Only the most nutcase of conspiracy theorists would even attempt make a connection between those two completely unrelated fragments of info.

That, or someone just ****in’ around for fun.
 
Only the most nutcase of conspiracy theorists would even attempt make a connection between those two completely unrelated fragments of info.

That, or someone just ****in’ around for fun.

That was sarcasm.

Why did you mention Canada?
 
That was sarcasm.

Why did you mention Canada?
Cause invading Canada, or a war in Canada, seems highly unlikely. But they still probably have a plan for it.
 
What are the REAL REASONS behind the CENSORSHIP of
Obamas wars in Libya, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen, by the TV news, and by
Liberal talk hosts, concerned about casualties and human rights issues
during the Bush years, but have skipped over them in 2012 election coverage?

Wars are typically a leading issue during elections in the past.

Is it because -

A. The hosts are Establishment Liberals/ Democrat Party spokesmen, not principled journalists, or commentators.

B. The hosts and TV shows are entertainment bombast for ratings and money.

C. The hosts refuse to acknowledge Obama and Hillarys State Dept. role in "Arab Spring"wars and regime changes because they are govmnt funded like PBS or their advertisers or contributions from corporate America would suffer.

D. Media is too biased, in protecting the 2 Parties. Liberalism/ Progressivism is only a focus group to raise funds and elect Democrats, or like the Tea Party, which a focus group constructed to raise funds and elect Republicans.

E. Liberal and TV talk hosts are afraid to tell the truth about wars because the establishment would retaliate and their shows would get cancelled.

D. Fewer American soldiers are dying than in past wars.

E. The media is managed and run by government entities and members like the Council on Foreign Relations who plan wars for the State Dept.


Because he da MAN!
 
And you know what's coming:

Why?

I think its OBVIOUS war in Syria is coming disguised under the "NATO" banner no matter who is elected, and I'm "surprised" people in the press,radio, and TV are hiding it.

In fact, I expected this thread to turn into statements of the Rush Limbaugh variety - 'the truth is being censored because of the Liberal media protecting their President':roll:
 
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