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Obama Blasts Mitt Romney's Debate Claims: 'You Owe The American People The Truth'

tessaesque said:
How is that defensive? He's not saying anything about himself or his policies. He's pointing out the existing conditions under the incumbent, which is a pretty sound policy to utilize when you're trying to beat that incumbent.
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The latest Job Report is something positive and he cooly left out the 7.8%.
 
RDS said:
The latest Job Report is something positive and he cooly left out the 7.8%.
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That still doesn't explain how he's defensive. And nothing he said is factually inaccurate, near as I can tell.
 
tessaesque said:
That still doesn't explain how he's defensive. And nothing he said is factually inaccurate, near as I can tell.
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He knows pretty well the Report is in Obama's favour. So he got to counter somehow.
 
jerry7 said:
LOL. Are you for real? That was the worst beat down of a sitting president in a debate in television history. Why did Obama wait a day to blast Romney's claims when he could have done it to his face last night? Because he had no rebuttal.
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Because that's what a coward does. He couldn't rebut what Romney said during the debate so he came out the next day and trashed him to his base. There is no defending his own policies or actions so he played the only card he has the next day... with a teleprompter.
 
You know...I've googled quite a few fact-check articles from the debate and the "half true", "mostly false" and "false" count for both guys is pretty equal. So I guess I gotta give it to Obama and his advisers for getting the "liar" message out first.
 
First question of the next debate should be "Mr. President, you said Egypt is not our ally and then you said they are our ally. Are they or aren't they?"
 
RDS said:
He has to explain when this point probably comes up "Russia is our No 1 enemy".
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Well, it is one of our greatest concerns. Aside from the War on Terrorism, we have to come to terms with the fact that Russia aids our enemies in the middle east at the same time that it is able to move forward with its expansion of influence in its former Republics while we get bogged down in the middle east. They know this, so they are better able to exploit the situation.
 
tessaesque said:
You know...I've googled quite a few fact-check articles from the debate and the "half true", "mostly false" and "false" count for both guys is pretty equal. So I guess I gotta give it to Obama and his advisers for getting the "liar" message out first.
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It won't be enough to cover up his dismal performance. It's a damn good thing it was only Romney. If it had been Gingrich, it would have been the bitchslap of the century.
 
Diogenes said:
And because he didn't know what to say until he got back to his teleprompter.
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That teleprompter line is bunk, it's not like those things tell you what to say.
 
RDS said:
He is fooling you guys.

10 Pieces Of Proof That Mitt Romney Thinks You’re Stupid | MoveOn.Org
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Well, since you posted a MoveOn.org article that is incredibly biased (shocker that) and gives only the most unquestionably left leaning spin of every statement without any intent to be objective, as evidenced even from the very first statement, you've DEFINITELY won me over

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Deuce said:
It probably hasn't occurred to Romney's supporters that some of the things Romney said weren't true.
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For some, that notion hasn't occured to them as much as it hasn't occured to some Obama supporters that things he said weren't true.

Thankfully there are some actual free thinking, intellectually honest supporters on both sides but sadly it seems they are harder and harder to find at times.
 
tech30528 said:
Because that's what a coward does. He couldn't rebut what Romney said during the debate so he came out the next day and trashed him to his base. There is no defending his own policies or actions so he played the only card he has the next day... with a teleprompter.
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I see telling flat our lies to the American people during a debate cowardly. Romney tried to distance himself from his own posisions. He has had to pander to the radical right for a long time now, and that has damaged him. Now that is it close to eletion time, he is re-writing himself as a moderate. What will be interesting to see is the VP debate. Will Ryan try to re-write himself as a moderate also? If so, he will be in trouble with his base. He will be in a strange place next week.
 
Pinkie said:
Who decides who won? I thought Obama did.
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I decide on emptying my mind of as many preconceptions as possible and listening to each as if it were the first time. Using that framework Romney won.
 
Diogenes said:
And because he didn't know what to say until he got back to his teleprompter.
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What is wrong with teleprompter. Reagan used them, both Bushes. Come on if is suppose to be a slam its ****ing lame.
 
Both candidates lied during the debate - this is the nature of politics.
Both candidates bent the truth to support their own arguments, which is also a typical political ploy.

I do find it troubling that Obama has been so animated in several speeches since the debate.
He had his chance to address Romney directly during the debate, to challenge him, and to call him out on areas of disagreement.
He elected to not do these things directly, for whatever the reason.

I have always believed in addressing an individual directly, one-on-one, eye-to-eye, mano-a-mano.
Obama did not do this during the debate, which I find to show weak character.
To do it the next day to others is very, very disappointing.
 
RDS said:
He has to explain when this point probably comes up "Russia is our No 1 enemy".
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Why is Russia our number one enemy or are you still living in the cold war. they are so screwed up right now they don't give a **** about us. Like the man said "i have seen the enemy and he is us."
 
tessaesque said:
How is that defensive? He's not saying anything about himself or his policies. He's pointing out the existing conditions under the incumbent, which is a pretty sound policy to utilize when you're trying to beat that incumbent.
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The biggest problem with Romney was he just could not let go. He had to have the last word, he had to have his way when he was challenged. Main argument the rebuttal and thats it. Man up and learn to take your lumps not whine about them or do the oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah etc. Not professional at all
 
tech30528 said:
Because that's what a coward does. He couldn't rebut what Romney said during the debate so he came out the next day and trashed him to his base. There is no defending his own policies or actions so he played the only card he has the next day... with a teleprompter.
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Yeah right coward. You are forgettin bin laden that took balls.
 
wolfman24 said:
Why is Russia our number one enemy or are you still living in the cold war. they are so screwed up right now they don't give a **** about us. Like the man said "i have seen the enemy and he is us."
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Because when the Cold War ended, Russia and China didn't stop being threats or concerns. During the past 12 years, Russia has continually expanded its influence in the former Republic and in the Middle East, and has become more autocratic, crushing dissent at home.
 
Heres how I see it. Romney has no intention of publically showing his "plan" and probably never did. He is going to say whatever he likes on any subject and then a month later change his mind. He is operating on the false delusion of plausible deniability. He is leaving no paper trail to pick up and use against him. When someone says well in a videod speech last month you said this. His answer would probably be "taken out of context" or blame it on the liberal media including Fox. The idea if valid has some merit but there is just too much video and audio other there for this to work effectively.

Fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. A Lincoln
 
wolfman24 said:
Heres how I see it. Romney has no intention of publically showing his "plan" and probably never did. He is going to say whatever he likes on any subject and then a month later change his mind. He is operating on the false delusion of plausible deniability. He is leaving no paper trail to pick up and use against him. When someone says well in a videod speech last month you said this. His answer would probably be "taken out of context" or blame it on the liberal media including Fox. The idea if valid has some merit but there is just too much video and audio other there for this to work effectively.

Fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. A Lincoln
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It won't matter to more swing voter than not IMO. People who apply logic would/should also realize that the POTUS is not an Emperor and there will be give and take in the process along the way if he is elected. At this point the economic contrast can be reduced to this: Romney is going to try something different and Obama is going to let it ride on what has already been done. How one feels about that depends on how well he/she has done in the last 4 years.
 
Fisher said:
It won't matter to more swing voter than not IMO. People who apply logic would/should also realize that the POTUS is not an Emperor and there will be give and take in the process along the way if he is elected. At this point the economic contrast can be reduced to this: Romney is going to try something different and Obama is going to let it ride on what has already been done. How one feels about that depends on how well he/she has done in the last 4 years.
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I understand this point but people who apply logic would rather eat an apple pie made with real apples than be told its an apple pie and find out too late its poisonberry. Yes? After the fact is too late you cannot impeach someone for note telling you the truth duing the campaign or showing you how they would run the country.

Most thinking people (read logical) would agree that is sound wisdom.
 
wolfman24 said:
I understand this point but people who apply logic would rather eat an apple pie made with real apples than be told its an apple pie and find out too late its poisonberry. Yes? After the fact is too late you cannot impeach someone for note telling you the truth duing the campaign or showing you how they would run the country.

Most thinking people (read logical) would agree that is sound wisdom.
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There are arguments that Obama did not do what he promised to do regarding debt and spending. Regardless, the last minute deciding swing voters do have a tendency to be more reactionary than deliberate which is what makes them swing voters.

Edit: Illustration about logic:

We spend $1M on apples for school lunch and I promise to cut out of control apple spending, and am elected. If we spend $1.5M on apples people could say I lied when I said I would cut apple costs or people could say I did what I said because apple costs would have been $3M but for my keeping my promise. It depends on people's assumptions as to what I meant to begin with.
 
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wolfman24 said:
The biggest problem with Romney was he just could not let go. He had to have the last word, he had to have his way when he was challenged. Main argument the rebuttal and thats it. Man up and learn to take your lumps not whine about them or do the oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah etc. Not professional at all
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TBH, I saw that from both men in almost equal measure.
 
Mitt does owe us the truth: Mitt needs to attack Obama as a complete failure, a radical, to show the videos of Obama and Odinga, to go into who Obama really is... to go into who funded his schooling.. to show us how horrible the economy really is, to not allow Obama to run jive and bamboozle us on that he is " regular guy" he is NOT..

Mitt needs to tell us that truth...
 
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