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A couple of post debate polls

Grim17

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CBS News instapoll:
Who won the debate?
46% Romney
22% Obama
32% said tie.

Of uncommitted voters, how did your opinion of the candidates change?
56% Better toward Romney
13% Better toward Obama


CNN/ORC Post Debate Flash-Poll:
Who won the debate?
67% Romney
25% Obama

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?
58% Romney
37% Obama

Who did debate make you more likely to vote for?
35% Romney
18% Obama
47% Neither
 
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A good start, but Romney needs to keep it up through the next two debates. A blunder in either of them and his solid performance tonight could be mitigated.
 
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A good start, but Romney needs to keep it up through the next two debates. A blunder in either of them and his solid performance tonight could be mitigated.
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Maybe not. Much of the early voting is on the way. Any swing he gets right now might put him over the top.

These polls also support the Romney camp's narrative that the polls national and state polls are skewed and that Romney is up...BIG.
 
Grim17 said:
CBS News instapoll:
Who won the debate?
46% Romney
22% Obama
32% said tie.

Of uncommitted voters, how did your opinion of the candidates change?
56% Better toward Romney
13% Better toward Obama


CNN/ORC Post Debate Flash-Poll:
Who won the debate?
67% Romney
25% Obama

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?
58% Romney
37% Obama

Who did debate make you more likely to vote for?
35% Romney
18% Obama
47% Neither
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Are there any links to poll data?
 
I must have been watching a different debate than most ... Theatrics do NOT impress me ...

I am a SUBSTANCE over FORM person, so I think the President WON!!! ... and Governor Romney did an ETCH-A-SKETCH on a LOT of his previously stated positions ...

WHY the moderator allowed him to get away with it ... and why the President didn't CALL HIM OUT will remain a mystery, but ... in the next round, President Obama NEEDS to call out Governor Romney on ALL his ETCH-A-SKETCHING ...

Let's SEE what happens in the next two debates ... I know too many people do NOT realize SUBSTANCE over FORM ... They do NOT realize when they are BEing LIED TO ...

Also, please NOTE that the CNN time keeper was "playing games" ... Watch the tape and you will CLEARLY SEE a point where Governor Romney was speaking and yet the President's time was ticking off ...
 
barbnf said:
I must have been watching a different debate than most ... Theatrics do NOT impress me ...
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Theatrics?

I thought this debate was about as low on the theatrics scale as it could go. It was serious talk about policies and beliefs, with very few "zingers" or show-boating.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Maybe not. Much of the early voting is on the way. Any swing he gets right now might put him over the top.

These polls also support the Romney camp's narrative that the polls national and state polls are skewed and that Romney is up...BIG.
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The early voting is important and helpful, but I doubt that this debate did anything more than making them roughly tied.

I don't see how these support that narrative. They were all polled after watching CNN's coverage where every pundit proclaimed Romney the winner, which actually does skew the poll and they were also just quick flash polls, rather than scientific, representative polls. As someone who doesn't believe that the national and state polls are skewed, I think this debate probably just propelled Romney into a tie.
 
Intrade -- 11% swing.
 
Taylor said:
Intrade -- 11% swing.
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Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me. If anyone is playing the markets, this is probably a good time to buy some Obama stock.
 
Hey Pete... I noticed you didn't vote on who won the debate... Why is that?
 
The challenge for Romney now will be the VP debate. Ryan is a wonk and he will now have these economic audibles Romney is calling shoved down his throat by Biden. Since everybody knows Biden is a jerk, he has no reason not to be in Ryan's face the whole next debate on the numbers to try to crack any success Romney got tonight.
 
Fisher said:
The challenge for Romney now will be the VP debate. Ryan is a wonk and he will now have these economic audibles Romney is calling shoved down his throat by Biden. Since everybody knows Biden is a jerk, he has no reason not to be in Ryan's face the whole next debate on the numbers to try to crack any success Romney got tonight.
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Huh? Everyone knows Biden is a jerk? He comes across as the most authentic and likable of all four candidates IMO. The other three are politicians...Biden seems like he's just a guy who happens to be in politics.
 
Kandahar said:
Huh? Everyone knows Biden is a jerk? He comes across as the most authentic and likable of all four candidates IMO. The other three are politicians...Biden seems like he's just a guy who happens to be in politics.
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An old guy, and a bully.
 
shocked they are giving Romney the win! He was a boxer who needed to attack but spent most of the debate defending his own policies rather than attacking Obamas
 
Kandahar said:
Huh? Everyone knows Biden is a jerk? He comes across as the most authentic and likable of all four candidates IMO. The other three are politicians...Biden seems like he's just a guy who happens to be in politics.
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Biden is, for lack of a better term, a political buffoon. Ryan will destroy him intelectually, so the only chance uncle Joe has is to do a "good ol boy" attack on him.
 
barbnf said:
I must have been watching a different debate than most ... Theatrics do NOT impress me ...

I am a SUBSTANCE over FORM person, so I think the President WON!!! ... and Governor Romney did an ETCH-A-SKETCH on a LOT of his previously stated positions ...

WHY the moderator allowed him to get away with it ... and why the President didn't CALL HIM OUT will remain a mystery, but ... in the next round, President Obama NEEDS to call out Governor Romney on ALL his ETCH-A-SKETCHING ...

Let's SEE what happens in the next two debates ... I know too many people do NOT realize SUBSTANCE over FORM ... They do NOT realize when they are BEing LIED TO ...

Also, please NOTE that the CNN time keeper was "playing games" ... Watch the tape and you will CLEARLY SEE a point where Governor Romney was speaking and yet the President's time was ticking off ...
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I do support obama over romney, but he really dropped the ball here. I am not sure i am confident in the intelligence of the American people to realize most of what Romney claimed was lies or contradictions. I do believe there is a potential to turn this piss poor performance on the part of the president into a victory through fact checking and political ads that focus on Romney's blatant contradictions. Romney did a very good job of pretending he is not mitt romney. First we had Imaginary Obama in the chair, and now we Romnety pretending it was imaginary Romney making all those claims for him the past few months.

Obama's frustration when Romney completely ran from his own tax plan was plainly visible, and you could see his complete disbelief Romney could spit out such a bold faced lie with a straight face. I think there was a little glimmer of realization that there was a lot of americans stupid enough to believe Romney has never claimed to he was going to give tax breaks to the rich. It seems like he did not know what to do when Romney cut and ran on his own claims. He should have prepped for the opportunity to run Romney down on his past claims, but it seems like he just was not prepared for Romney to do that.

Romney did impress me. I did not realize the man liked arguing so much. Right or wrong on the facts, Romney has a passion for arguments. I did not realize that about him, and had i known that I would have thought much differently about his chances tonight. Obama had better step up because that joy in Romney's eyes when he was arguing is not there because he thought he was winning. It is there because he likes arguing so that Romney will be at the next debates waiting for obama. It is not certain death for obama, but he has to do something. That Romney could very easily turn the debates into his election win.

i really do not like mitt romney, or the idea of that slimy bitch becoming president, but I am excited for the fight now.
 
Tonight's debate had about 40 million viewers. I'd be surprised if the VP debate gets half as many.

Fisher said:
The challenge for Romney now will be the VP debate. Ryan is a wonk and he will now have these economic audibles Romney is calling shoved down his throat by Biden. Since everybody knows Biden is a jerk, he has no reason not to be in Ryan's face the whole next debate on the numbers to try to crack any success Romney got tonight.
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Grim17 said:
Biden is, for lack of a better term, a political buffoon.
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I realize that's what the media thinks, but I just don't see much evidence that the average person who doesn't follow politics religiously thinks that. What you see as "political buffoonery," a lot of people think is a likable authenticity. Even when Biden says stupid **** and gets himself in trouble, people have always been quite forgiving to him.

Ryan will destroy him intelectually, so the only chance uncle Joe has is to do a "good ol boy" attack on him.
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You must not have seen his debate with Sarah Palin (or his debates during the 2008 Democratic primary); Biden can't pull off "good ol boy" attacks very well and usually doesn't even try because it isn't his style. He is typically more respectful to his opponent than a lot of politicians would be.
 
Grim17 said:
CBS News instapoll:
Who won the debate?
46% Romney
22% Obama
32% said tie.

Of uncommitted voters, how did your opinion of the candidates change?
56% Better toward Romney
13% Better toward Obama


CNN/ORC Post Debate Flash-Poll:
Who won the debate?
67% Romney
25% Obama

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?
58% Romney
37% Obama

Who did debate make you more likely to vote for?
35% Romney
18% Obama
47% Neither
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In a lot of ways these polls reflect what I would expect. You have somewhere around 45% of the population that hates Obama to such a degree that Romney could have had explosive diarrhea on stage and they would claim he mopped the floor (which would probably need it) with Obama. While it is disturbing the CNN poll shows 67% think Mitt won, if you look at how it influenced voting disposition it drops to about half that. I doubt that rabid Republicans were completely honest that they would have voted for Jerry Sandusky over Obama BEFORE the debate. Obama needs to make a better showing in the next two but a big problem tonight is if you are still undecided, it probably means you haven't been following things anywhere near to close enough to realize the number of bald faced lies Romney made about his proposals to date.
 
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